Bonin21
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Finland was awfully good...
I think the time has come to really look at the NTDP more closely. In following many teams in the last several years I would really question the "development" part of their name. They really only develop 2 lines who are rarely off the ice, they seemingly do this to pad stats for their studs but this is at the expense of the team. Danton Cole who coaches the 17 team is known to be abusive and does not trust or develop his team. Last year he took a solid 18 team to the U 18 tourney that did not even have to play Russia ( who were disqualified) and lost to Finland, why? He did not play his kids he shorted his bench and lost. He did not trust his team. He most definitely had the talent to win.
I think parents and kids have to really evaluate if joining this team will end up,hurting them vs USHL teams. I know of several agents and advisors who no longer will consider this route for top prospects.
USA Hockey should evaluate their coaches and what development is supposed to really mean if they want to attract top prospects. They should definitely address the abuse that has occurred under Danton Cole.
I think the time has come to really look at the NTDP more closely. In following many teams in the last several years I would really question the "development" part of their name. They really only develop 2 lines who are rarely off the ice, they seemingly do this to pad stats for their studs but this is at the expense of the team. Danton Cole who coaches the 17 team is known to be abusive and does not trust or develop his team. Last year he took a solid 18 team to the U 18 tourney that did not even have to play Russia ( who were disqualified) and lost to Finland, why? He did not play his kids he shorted his bench and lost. He did not trust his team. He most definitely had the talent to win.
I think parents and kids have to really evaluate if joining this team will end up,hurting them vs USHL teams. I know of several agents and advisors who no longer will consider this route for top prospects.
USA Hockey should evaluate their coaches and what development is supposed to really mean if they want to attract top prospects. They should definitely address the abuse that has occurred under Danton Cole.
I've heard rumors that Cole is generally unliked by players and visionless as a coach, but who knows how true that is.
I don't think the NTDP is necessary, especially if those kids head to the USHL/CHL at 16. It helps win some dual citizen battles (helps lose some too though), but I don't think it's really needed for optimal player development.
This current U17 team is a real mystery even after a half dozen viewings, plus a lot of the players at the YOG. Tons of talent, but I've never seen a more disorganized NTDP team that I can remember. Their passing is horrendous, but even more so each player seems to be playing a different system. They're so disjointed that it's jarring to watch and given that it's not surprising they've struggled. Cole has rolled all 4 lines all year but he's been scrambling combinations all year as well. Wise, Wilde, and Farabee have been the best players, and if the team ever gels they'll be fine, but a few players are a lot better than their stats would indicate. Some of the players (Janicke, Ullan, etc.) are in over their heads at this point, while others (DeBoer, Jenkins) look really overhyped.
I've heard rumors that Cole is generally unliked by players and visionless as a coach, but who knows how true that is.
I don't think the NTDP is necessary, especially if those kids head to the USHL/CHL at 16. It helps win some dual citizen battles (helps lose some too though), but I don't think it's really needed for optimal player development.
This current U17 team is a real mystery even after a half dozen viewings, plus a lot of the players at the YOG. Tons of talent, but I've never seen a more disorganized NTDP team that I can remember. Their passing is horrendous, but even more so each player seems to be playing a different system. They're so disjointed that it's jarring to watch and given that it's not surprising they've struggled. Cole has rolled all 4 lines all year but he's been scrambling combinations all year as well. Wise, Wilde, and Farabee have been the best players, and if the team ever gels they'll be fine, but a few players are a lot better than their stats would indicate. Some of the players (Janicke, Ullan, etc.) are in over their heads at this point, while others (DeBoer, Jenkins) look really overhyped.
The 17's lost to in the quaters to Sweden, no medals, the NTDP is really going backwards. Danton Cole is on quthe losing streak.
Weiss, Wilde, Wise, Wahlstrom and Jenkins.
Has there ever been a crop this strong before for the USNDTP?
Four months before they've actually played a game? Yes, every year.
Are these game being filmed? Any idea how he did against Holy Family yesterday?Edina sophomore Ben Brinkman (MIN) with a nice goal vs Wayzata in today's 4-1 win. The RHD he beat there at the blue line is this year's youngest draft eligible Grant Anderson (UNO) who's C-rated IIRC.
You can watch the third place game vs Wayzata --> https://livestream.com/NWCT12/events/6647093Are these game being filmed? Any idea how he did against Holy Family yesterday?
Underclassmen out of position? Never, hehe, but yes, Brinkman was on-ice for the first two of the three Edina GA this weekend, aka both HF goals. His man got inside position to pot a rebound on a point shot that the goalie should've swallowed up, while he then took himself out of the play with a sliding block attempt on the 5v3 PK on the eventual winner.I read he got burned multiple times on goals this weekend, so it's not like he's perfect. He's dang good for his age right now, though.
Edina is not going to be as good as in years past. Too many people leaving.
Phillips, Copeland, Mismash, Tabor, Jensen, Silianoff, Langenbrunner would all be Sophomores, Juniors, or Seniors.
Landon Langenbrunner? When was he in the Edina system? Are you thinking Hankinson?
I'm pretty sure Jensen moved programs because his parents literally moved. Your point is most likely the case though. Looking at their bantam team it's much weaker than normal even when Boltmann was still playing it.
Not sure where this might fit in here but two weeks ago I went to go see the Cleveland Barons 16U vs Buffalo Jr Sabres 16U and there's a D man on Buffalo named Case McCarthy who's a 2001 born and is already committed to BU. He's a big kid that moves very well. Makes smart plays and can handle the puck in tight situations especially when being pressured on the blue line. There was a play where he intercepted a pass in the neutral zone and moved laterally through two Barons D men to get a shot on net. He's really hard to beat 1 on 1 and didn't make a bad pass in the two games I saw him play. He's an NTDP candidate for next year. Just thought I'd share since this thread hasn't gotten any updates lately.
Any good prospects on the Barons team? Any kids who can play NCAA hockey one day?
Bakanov is an 02 correct?The Barons have an average group this year. Their best team was about 4 or 5 years ago when Ned was the goalie, Blake Siebenaler was on D, and Sonny Milano led the team on offense. Was another player named Cam Ashley on the team that was drafted by Sarnia and had a year in the USHL but didn't amount to much. This group is small but they have speed and some skill. I like Connor Koncelik on D, Max Helgeson, Andrei Bakanov is a big Russian who can be project to a good player with a few years of the right development. Nobody that was really eye opening though as far as right now though.
Bakanov is an 02 correct?