Alternate Standings Approaches

[MNNumbers]

Forgive me, guys, if this seems trivial to you. It seems like every year there is a discussion of the 'loser point' skewing the final standings. I like to keep track 3 ways:
1) Official NHL rules
2) 2-1-0 system (No overtime at all)
3) 3-2-1-0 system (2 and 1 apply in OT and SO)

So, as of Nov 12. Official Standings.
West Playoff teams:
COLO/CHI/STL :: ANA/PHX/SJ :: MINN/LA (I will go by pts/game)

East Playoff teams:
TB/BOS/TOR :: PITTS/WAS/NYR :: DET/OTT (pts/gm. Ott and Mon are thisclose)

Changes in other systems:
2-1-0 system -- NASH replaces LA, MONT replaces OTT
3-2-1-0 system -- West is same as Official Standings, East has MONT for OTT

Conclusion right now:
LA is benefiting from good results in OT/SO, and MONT and OTT are very close.

Overall, no major differences. We will see as the season continues.....

Click to read more...

 

[Krishna]

http://5-hole.com/alternative-standings-systems/alternative-standings-systems-2011-12/

Here's a chart for different standing systems from the 2011-12 season. Most sites that do this really haven't been update in awhile.

One from last year :
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013/7/17/4531394/note-to-the-nhl-fix-the-point-system

Using last year's standings with the 3 points for Regulation win, 2 for OT or SO win, 1 for OT or SO loss, and 0 for Regulation loss, only NYI would be out and WPG would be in, in the east. As for the west, only SJ would be out and CBJ would be in.

 

[MNNumbers]

Bi weekly update:

Monday Nov 25.

In the east, as of now, Official Standings, Playoff Teams would be (ATL:MET:WC)
Boston,Tampa,Toronto: Pittsburgh,Washington,NYRangers: Montreal,Detroit
There are 2 factors of the OT/SO scoring in play here. Tampa is benefiting from a good OT/SO record, and so is Washington. Under a 3-pt or a No-OT system, Tampa would be a wild card, and Washington would be replaced by Philly

In the west: StLouis,Colorado,Chicago: SanJose,Anaheim,Phoenix: Minnesota,LosAngeles
The gap between these teams and the others is so great that there are no changes under any system.

So far the conclusion seems to be that the Standings system doesn't make much difference, unless you are from Washington or Philly.

More in a couple more weeks

 

[MarkGio]

I've seen the importance of shoot outs as a Flames fan. Being 4-10 points out of playoff spot and having a terrible shoot out record has cost the Flames a playoff spot in years past.

I think teams need to be equipped for shootouts. Having a clutch dangler on the roster as well as scouting reports on the opposition.

 

[patnyrnyg]

http://5-hole.com/alternative-standings-systems/alternative-standings-systems-2011-12/

Here's a chart for different standing systems from the 2011-12 season. Most sites that do this really haven't been update in awhile.

One from last year :
http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013/7/17/4531394/note-to-the-nhl-fix-the-point-system

Using last year's standings with the 3 points for Regulation win, 2 for OT or SO win, 1 for OT or SO loss, and 0 for Regulation loss, only NYI would be out and WPG would be in, in the east. As for the west, only SJ would be out and CBJ would be in.

I was wondering the same as I hear/read a lot of complaining about the loser point. I personally would like to see them go to straight wins and losses. Did the Bears get 1/2 of a win for losing to the Vikes in OT on Sunday? However, others like the idea of 3 for a reg win, 2 for an OT/SO win, 1 for an OT/SO loss.

Found this based on the 2011-12 standings. Couldn't find any others as most sites give you wins-losses-OT and ROW, but do not differentiate between OT and Reg wins.

http://nhltruestandings.wordpress.com/

Breaks down each teams wins and losses by type. Regulation, OT, SO. Copied and pasted into excel and set it up as 3 for a Reg win, 2 for an ot or so win, 1 for an ot or so loss.

In the east, the standings came out to be exactly the same for the top-8 and the seedings would have been exactly the same as they were. Only discrepency was winnipeg and Carolina would have finished ahead of tampa. tampa was 10th, would have been 12th. Winnipeg would have been 10th instead of 11th and carolina 11th instead of 12th.

Rangers and Penguins would have been tied with 148 points, but Rangers still would get the tie-breaker based on ROW.

In the west. St. Louis the 1 seed and Vancouver the 2 (it was opposite) and Anaheim would have finished 12th instead of 13th (swap with Minnesota). Again, all 8 play-off teams would have been the same.

I would love to do this for every season since the loser point was put in, but people (myself included) might be complaining over nothing. It would be one thing if each year a few teams missed on play-off spots because of the loser point, but not sure it is the case. If anyone knows of a site that has the breakdown for each season, please post it and I will run them all through my excel sheet.

 

[MNNumbers]

I was wondering the same as I hear/read a lot of complaining about the loser point. I personally would like to see them go to straight wins and losses. Did the Bears get 1/2 of a win for losing to the Vikes in OT on Sunday? However, others like the idea of 3 for a reg win, 2 for an OT/SO win, 1 for an OT/SO loss.

Found this based on the 2011-12 standings. Couldn't find any others as most sites give you wins-losses-OT and ROW, but do not differentiate between OT and Reg wins.

http://nhltruestandings.wordpress.com/

Breaks down each teams wins and losses by type. Regulation, OT, SO. Copied and pasted into excel and set it up as 3 for a Reg win, 2 for an ot or so win, 1 for an ot or so loss.

In the east, the standings came out to be exactly the same for the top-8 and the seedings would have been exactly the same as they were. Only discrepency was winnipeg and Carolina would have finished ahead of tampa. tampa was 10th, would have been 12th. Winnipeg would have been 10th instead of 11th and carolina 11th instead of 12th.

Rangers and Penguins would have been tied with 148 points, but Rangers still would get the tie-breaker based on ROW.

In the west. St. Louis the 1 seed and Vancouver the 2 (it was opposite) and Anaheim would have finished 12th instead of 13th (swap with Minnesota). Again, all 8 play-off teams would have been the same.

I would love to do this for every season since the loser point was put in, but people (myself included) might be complaining over nothing. It would be one thing if each year a few teams missed on play-off spots because of the loser point, but not sure it is the case. If anyone knows of a site that has the breakdown for each season, please post it and I will run them all through my excel sheet.

By good fortune, NHL's own web site has this:

Go here: http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.ht...shootoutGamesWon&viewName=shootoutTeamSummary

Follow the links above the breakdown and you can also find OT/SO record, which is the total non-Reg wins and non-Reg losses, so you have to do some math yourself. But it's all there.

As for this year, Washington particularly is benefiting from the "tied after 60 min" point, as well and LA and Phoenix to a lesser degree.

 

[patnyrnyg]

Oh cool, thanks for the heads-up. Since I will have to manually enter the amounts, it will take me a little longer than the first one I did.

 

[AvInNebr]

Current Standings by Alternate Methods

Hey all. I've put together a spreadsheet that allows me to track standings in a number of different systems that people have thought would be better than the current one and I thought I'd share all that hard work. Here are the standings in 6 different formats as of the Christmas break (and I apologize for the bad formatting ... if anyone has tips on how to improve that without taking a TON of manual spacing work I'm game ... ability to input tables would be great). Standings are labeled and described and in each case I haven't gone deep into tiebreakers yet and they are points/wins, then games played, then ROWs. At the end of the season I'll do tiebreakers better but for now I didn't want to re-do them each time I entered games and sorted the list. Anyway here they are. Hope you enjoy this lengthy post.


"AsIs" ... standing as they are currently done (only added for comparison down the road)
Rank Eastern GP W L OT P ROW S/O Pts Pace
1 Pittsburgh 39 27 11 1 55 24 3-0 115.6410256
2 Boston 37 25 10 2 52 24 1-2 115.2432432
3 Tampa Bay 37 23 11 3 49 18 5-1 108.5945946
4 Montreal 38 22 13 3 47 20 2-3 101.4210526
5 Detroit 39 17 13 9 43 16 1-6 90.41025641
6 Washington 37 19 14 4 42 11 8-3 93.08108108
7 Toronto 39 18 16 5 41 13 5-4 86.20512821
8 Philadelphia 37 17 16 4 38 16 1-3 84.21621622
9 NY Rangers 38 18 18 2 38 16 2-1 82
10 New Jersey 38 15 16 7 37 15 0-5 79.84210526
11 Ottawa 39 15 17 7 37 14 1-5 77.79487179
12 Columbus 37 16 17 4 36 15 1-1 79.78378378
13 Carolina 37 14 15 8 36 13 1-3 79.78378378
14 Florida 38 14 19 5 33 10 4-4 71.21052632
15 NY Islanders 38 11 20 7 29 7 4-3 62.57894737
16 Buffalo 37 10 24 3 23 6 4-0 50.97297297

Western
1 Anaheim 39 27 7 5 59 25 2-4 124.0512821
2 Chicago 39 26 7 6 58 22 4-4 121.9487179
3 Los Angeles 38 25 9 4 54 19 6-2 116.5263158
4 St. Louis 36 24 7 5 53 21 3-2 120.7222222
5 San Jose 37 23 8 6 52 18 5-5 115.2432432
6 Vancouver 39 22 11 6 50 20 2-4 105.1282051
7 Colorado 36 23 10 3 49 21 2-3 111.6111111
8 Phoenix 36 19 10 7 45 15 4-3 102.5
9 Minnesota 39 20 14 5 45 15 5-4 94.61538462
10 Dallas 36 18 12 6 42 15 3-4 95.66666667
11 Winnipeg 39 16 18 5 37 11 5-4 77.79487179
12 Nashville 37 16 17 4 36 16 0-3 79.78378378
13 Calgary 37 14 17 6 34 11 3-2 75.35135135
14 Edmonton 39 12 24 3 27 10 2-1 56.76923077


"W-L" ... standings in wins and losses only
Rank Eastern GP W L ROW S/O
1 Pittsburgh 39 27 12 24 3-0
2 Boston 37 25 12 24 1-2
3 Tampa Bay 37 23 14 18 5-1
4 Montreal 38 22 16 20 2-3
5 Washington 37 19 18 11 8-3
6 NY Rangers 38 18 20 16 2-1
7 Toronto 39 18 21 13 5-4
8 Philadelphia 37 17 20 16 1-3
9 Detroit 39 17 22 16 1-6
10 Columbus 37 16 21 15 1-1
11 New Jersey 38 15 23 15 0-5
12 Ottawa 39 15 24 14 1-5
13 Carolina 37 14 23 13 1-3
14 Florida 38 14 24 10 4-4
15 NY Islanders 38 11 27 7 4-3
16 Buffalo 37 10 27 6 4-0

Western
1 Anaheim 39 27 12 25 2-4
2 Chicago 39 26 13 22 4-4
3 Los Angeles 38 25 13 19 6-2
4 St. Louis 36 24 12 21 3-2
5 Colorado 36 23 13 21 2-3
6 San Jose 37 23 14 18 5-5
7 Vancouver 39 22 17 20 2-4
8 Minnesota 39 20 19 15 5-4
9 Phoenix 36 19 17 15 4-3
10 Dallas 36 18 18 15 3-4
11 Nashville 37 16 21 16 0-3
12 Winnipeg 39 16 23 11 5-4
13 Calgary 37 14 23 11 3-2
14 Edmonton 39 12 27 10 2-1


"3-2-1" ... where 3pts for RW, 2pts for OT/SO W, 1 for OT/SO L, 0 for RL
Rank Eastern GP RW OW OT-L L P
1 Pittsburgh 39 23 4 1 11 78
2 Boston 37 21 4 2 10 73
3 Montreal 38 18 4 3 13 65
4 Tampa Bay 37 14 9 3 11 63
5 Detroit 39 14 3 9 13 57
6 Philadelphia 37 16 1 4 16 54
7 NY Rangers 38 15 3 2 18 53
8 Toronto 39 11 7 5 16 52
9 Washington 37 9 10 4 14 51
10 Columbus 37 14 2 4 17 50
11 Ottawa 39 12 3 7 17 49
12 Carolina 37 12 2 8 15 48
13 New Jersey 38 10 5 7 16 47
14 Florida 38 10 4 5 19 43
15 NY Islanders 38 7 4 7 20 36
16 Buffalo 37 4 6 3 24 27

Western
1 Anaheim 39 22 5 5 7 81
2 Chicago 39 22 4 6 7 80
3 St. Louis 36 20 4 5 7 73
4 Los Angeles 38 16 9 4 9 70
5 San Jose 37 16 7 6 8 68
6 Colorado 36 18 5 3 10 67
7 Vancouver 39 15 7 6 11 65
8 Minnesota 39 15 5 5 14 60
9 Phoenix 36 13 6 7 10 58
10 Dallas 36 14 4 6 12 56
11 Nashville 37 15 1 4 17 51
12 Winnipeg 39 10 6 5 18 47
13 Calgary 37 7 7 6 17 41
14 Edmonton 39 8 4 3 24 35


"Doug's 3-2-1" ... named for a podcast host who stated this is his preferred method ... 3 pts for a RW, 2 pts for an OT W, 1 pt for a SO W, 0 for any L
Rank Eastern GP RW OW SOW L P
1 Pittsburgh 39 23 1 3 12 74
2 Boston 37 21 3 1 12 70
3 Montreal 38 18 2 2 16 60
4 Tampa Bay 37 14 4 5 14 55
5 Philadelphia 37 16 0 1 20 49
6 NY Rangers 38 15 1 2 20 49
7 Detroit 39 14 2 1 22 47
8 Columbus 37 14 1 1 21 45
9 Toronto 39 11 2 5 21 42
10 Ottawa 39 12 2 1 24 41
11 New Jersey 38 10 5 0 23 40
12 Carolina 37 12 1 1 23 39
13 Washington 37 9 2 8 18 39
14 Florida 38 10 0 4 24 34
15 NY Islanders 38 7 0 4 27 25
16 Buffalo 37 4 2 4 27 20

Western
1 Anaheim 39 22 3 2 12 74
2 Chicago 39 22 0 4 13 70
3 St. Louis 36 20 1 3 12 65
4 Colorado 36 18 3 2 13 62
5 Los Angeles 38 16 3 6 13 60
6 San Jose 37 16 2 5 14 57
7 Vancouver 39 15 5 2 17 57
8 Minnesota 39 15 0 5 19 50
9 Dallas 36 14 1 3 18 47
10 Phoenix 36 13 2 4 17 47
11 Nashville 37 15 1 0 21 47
12 Winnipeg 39 10 1 5 23 37
13 Calgary 37 7 4 3 23 32
14 Edmonton 39 8 2 2 27 30


"3-2-0" ... another requested 3 for a RW, 2 for a OT/SO W, 0 for any loss
Rank Eastern GP RW OW L P
1 Pittsburgh 39 23 4 12 77
2 Boston 37 21 4 12 71
3 Montreal 38 18 4 16 62
4 Tampa Bay 37 14 9 14 60
5 NY Rangers 38 15 3 20 51
6 Philadelphia 37 16 1 20 50
7 Detroit 39 14 3 22 48
8 Washington 37 9 10 18 47
9 Toronto 39 11 7 21 47
10 Columbus 37 14 2 21 46
11 Ottawa 39 12 3 24 42
12 Carolina 37 12 2 23 40
13 New Jersey 38 10 5 23 40
14 Florida 38 10 4 24 38
15 NY Islanders 38 7 4 27 29
16 Buffalo 37 4 6 27 24

Western
1 Anaheim 39 22 5 12 76
2 Chicago 39 22 4 13 74
3 St. Louis 36 20 4 12 68
4 Los Angeles 38 16 9 13 66
5 Colorado 36 18 5 13 64
6 San Jose 37 16 7 14 62
7 Vancouver 39 15 7 17 59
8 Minnesota 39 15 5 19 55
9 Phoenix 36 13 6 17 51
10 Dallas 36 14 4 18 50
11 Nashville 37 15 1 21 47
12 Winnipeg 39 10 6 23 42
13 Calgary 37 7 7 23 35
14 Edmonton 39 8 4 27 32


"W-L-T" ... where there is no shootout and all games tied after OT are ties
Rank Eastern GP W L T P S/O
1 Boston 34 24 10 3 51 1-2
2 Pittsburgh 36 24 12 3 51 3-0
3 Montreal 33 20 13 5 45 2-3
4 Tampa Bay 31 18 13 6 42 5-1
5 Detroit 32 16 16 7 39 1-6
6 Philadelphia 33 16 17 4 36 1-3
7 Toronto 30 13 17 9 35 5-4
8 New Jersey 33 15 18 5 35 0-5
9 NY Rangers 35 16 19 3 35 2-1
10 Ottawa 33 14 19 6 34 1-5
11 Washington 26 11 15 11 33 8-3
12 Columbus 35 15 20 2 32 1-1
13 Carolina 33 13 20 4 30 1-3
14 Florida 30 10 20 8 28 4-4
15 NY Islanders 31 7 24 7 21 4-3
16 Buffalo 33 6 27 4 16 4-0

Western
1 Anaheim 33 25 8 6 56 2-4
2 Chicago 31 22 9 8 52 4-4
3 St. Louis 31 21 10 5 47 3-2
4 Colorado 31 21 10 5 47 2-3
5 San Jose 27 18 9 10 46 5-5
6 Los Angeles 30 19 11 8 46 6-2
7 Vancouver 33 20 13 6 46 2-4
8 Minnesota 30 15 15 9 39 5-4
9 Phoenix 29 15 14 7 37 4-3
10 Dallas 29 15 14 7 37 3-4
11 Nashville 34 16 18 3 35 0-3
12 Winnipeg 30 11 19 9 31 5-4
13 Calgary 32 11 21 5 27 3-2
14 Edmonton 36 10 26 3 23 2-1


...and here's a chart of the difference for each team in the different systems compared to today's... (-1 in a column means that team dropped a spot from where they are in current standings using that format)
Rank Eastern W-L 3-2-1 Doug's 3-2-0 W-L-T
1 Pittsburgh 0 0 0 0 -1
2 Boston 0 0 0 0 1
3 Tampa Bay 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
4 Montreal 0 1 1 1 1
5 Detroit -4 0 -2 -2 0
6 Washington 1 -3 -7 -2 -5
7 Toronto 0 -1 -2 -2 0
8 Philadelphia 0 2 3 2 2
9 NY Rangers 3 2 3 4 0
10 New Jersey -1 -3 -1 -3 2
11 Ottawa -1 0 1 0 1
12 Columbus 2 2 4 2 0
13 Carolina 0 1 1 1 0
14 Florida 0 0 0 0 0
15 NY Islanders 0 0 0 0 0
16 Buffalo 0 0 0 0 0

Western
1 Anaheim 0 0 0 0 0
2 Chicago 0 0 0 0 0
3 Los Angeles 0 -1 -2 -1 -3
4 St. Louis 0 1 1 1 1
5 San Jose -1 0 -1 -1 0
6 Vancouver -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
7 Colorado 2 1 3 2 3
8 Phoenix -1 -1 -2 -1 -1
9 Minnesota 1 1 1 1 1
10 Dallas 0 0 1 0 0
11 Winnipeg -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
12 Nashville 1 1 1 1 1
13 Calgary 0 0 0 0 0
14 Edmonton 0 0 0 0 0



Some interesting stats I've found doing this...
- in 566 games almost 75% end in regulation and of those that don't, 3 of 5 go to the shootout.
- Canadian teams currently have a record of 119-116-35 where the 6 teams from California, Florida, and Arizona have a record of 131-64-30
- The East has 74 "loser points" where the West has 71, a difference of .4 more loser points per team in the West.
- The East has 281 wins in 605 games played. The West has 285 wins in 527 games. Having played an equal number of games per team on average the West has nearly 3 wins more per team than the East.



I hope that some of you sat through all this and enjoyed it. If enough of you found it interesting or informative and would like to see it updated from time to time I would be happy to do so ... preferably in a better format than what is above...

 

[tsanuri]

Nice work and interesting.

 

[AvInNebr]

I thought two weeks would be a good point to see what changes may have occurred. I am not going to repost all the standings but here is the "difference in standings" chart...

Rank Eastern W-L 3-2-1 Doug's 3-2-0 W-L-T
1 Pittsburgh 0 0 0 0 0
2 Boston 0 0 0 0 0
3 Tampa Bay 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
4 Montreal 0 1 1 1 1
5 Philadelphia 0 0 0 0 0
6 Washington -1 -4 -7 -4 -6
7 Detroit -3 0 0 0 1
8 Carolina -3 0 0 -3 -2
9 NY Rangers 3 3 3 3 2
10 Toronto 2 -1 -2 2 -1
11 Ottawa -1 2 2 -1 3
12 New Jersey -1 0 1 -1 3
13 Columbus 4 0 3 4 0
14 Florida 0 0 0 0 0
15 NY Islanders 0 0 0 0 0
16 Buffalo 0 0 0 0 0

Western
1 Anaheim 0 0 0 0 0
2 St. Louis 0 0 0 0 -1
3 Chicago 0 0 0 0 1
4 San Jose 0 0 -1 -1 -1
5 Los Angeles -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
6 Colorado 1 1 2 2 2
7 Vancouver -1 0 0 -1 0
8 Minnesota 1 0 0 1 0
9 Phoenix 0 0 -2 -1 0
10 Dallas 0 0 0 1 -1
11 Nashville 0 0 2 0 1
12 Winnipeg 0 0 0 0 0
13 Calgary 0 0 -1 0 0
14 Edmonton 0 0 1 0 0


Now there aren't a lot of changes but there are some. The top four in the East is nearly identical to two weeks ago but Philly has moved from 8th to 5th in the standings and sits 5th no matter the system. Carolina has also had a climb in the standings while Toronto has fallen from 7th to 10th. As for who would be in the playoffs in alternate systems Detroit still falls out of the playoffs in a W-L system (10 loser points but most of their wins are in regulation keep them in all other systems) and Washington continues to drop many places in any system that punishes games going to extra time (10 of their 21 wins have come in OT/SO). Some systems see Carolina replaced by Toronto in the playoffs and the Rangers would be in the playoffs now in any system but the one we currently use. Columbus also makes a big jump to just outside the playoffs from their spot at 13th in 3 different systems.

The West has had some minor shuffling but overall nothing significant. In fact, in the West following the Wild win over Phoenix last night all 8 teams in the playoffs now would be despite the system used.

 

[MNNumbers]

I am going to try this in a different format:

As of Jan 12, Using the OT/SO extra point system, in place by NHL, and counting by pts/gm, the playoff teams would be:
EAST:
ATL: Bos, TB, Mon
MET: Pit, Was, Phil
WC: Det, NYR

WEST:
CENT: StL, Chi, Col
PAC: Ana, SJ, LA
WC: Van, Phx

Under a 3pt/gm system (2 pts for OT/SO win), the changes would be:
EAST: Same teams, but Was falls to the last WC, with Phil and NYR being 2, 3 in METRO

WEST: Minnesota replace Phoenix

Under a 2-1-0 system with no OT, the changes would be:
EAST: Was replaced by CAR
WEST: Minnesota replaces PHX

 

[MNNumbers]

Wednesday AM, Jan 29. Playoff Qualifiers, by NHL pts system, but ranked by pts/game, not by total points.

EASTERN CONFERENCE:
ATL: BOSTON, TAMPA, MONTREAL
METRO: PITTS, NYRANGERS, CAROLINA
WILD CARDS: TORONTO, DETROIT (Although the diff bet DET/PHI is one of pts interpretation)

IF THERE WERE NO OVERTIME GAMES: Toronto out, Detroit and Philadelphia both in.
IF IT WERE A 3-2-1-0 WITH OT/SO = 2/1: Toronto and Detroit out, and Philadelphia and Columbus both in.

CONCLUSIONS FOR EASTERN CONFERENCE: The 3-6 spots in both divisions are so tight right now that NO system has a claim on being perfect, so it's not worth arguing about.

WESTERN CONFERENCE:
CENTRAL DIVISION: ST LOUIS, CHICAGO, COLORADO
PACIFIC DIVISION: ANAHEIM, SAN JOSE, LOS ANGELES
WILD CARD: VANCOUVER, MINNESOTA

NO OVERTIMES: Same teams, but Minny is 7th.
3-2-1-0: Also same teams, but Minny is 7th.

CONCLUSIONS FOR WESTERN CONFERENCE: Use any system you want, the results are the same. However, watch out, because LA is falling and the 3-5 spots in the Pacific could end up very close together (LA, PHX, VAN).

General comment: Using a Bradley-Terry system (statistical model using only game results, not scores, and not adjusting for home ice), the results come out that New Jersey has played a hard schedule, and would just pip their way in. Again, Eastern Conference bubble is so tight that you can't complain about any ranking system.

 

[Kane One]

I didn't realize this was a thread. My site www.hockeystandings.info keeps track of different points systems, such as the three point system, win-loss, ties after OT, and ties after regulation.

Now to actually add to the topic, I want the win-loss system. There's no reason to still award points when there's currently no such thing as a tie.

 

[hatterson]

Kane, do you manually update the actual results on your site or do you scrape them from somewhere?

 

[MNNumbers]

I didn't realize this was a thread. My site www.hockeystandings.info keeps track of different points systems, such as the three point system, win-loss, ties after OT, and ties after regulation.

Now to actually add to the topic, I want the win-loss system. There's no reason to still award points when there's currently no such thing as a tie.

Kane,

I took a look at your site, and I have a few questions.

I can get the 3-pt system to work. Also, 1983-1999. And the Ties after Regulation (NHL -1983). But,

Can you explain the points for the ties after overtime? I can't seem to get the math to work in my head. And, the column headings seem to include things that are not needed in that system.

I will give you an example of what I mean. Under the "Ties after OT" system, you have listed "WINS" "LOSSES" "TIES" and "OTL". So, I am assuming this is a no-shootout system. The footnote says "Wins - 2, Ties/OTL -1, Reg Loss - 0". (To me, this means that all games decided in OT are 3-pt games. True?) Since my team is Minnesota, I look at their standings. It says 23 wins (x2 = 46 pts), 20 losses (I assume Reg losses = 0 pts), 10 Ties (10 pts), 2 OTL (2 pts). Add those, and I get 58 pts. But you have 61 listed. So, I don't understand.

And, it seems this problem applies for many of the teams.

Thanks for helping.

Thanks.

 

[hatterson]

Kane,

I took a look at your site, and I have a few questions.

Can you define the points for the 1983-1999 system, the 3 point system, and the Ties after regulation and ties after overtime? I can't seem to get the math to work in my head.

Thanks.

The definitions are included below the tables.

83-99 system is: "Wins: 2 - Ties: 1 - Regulation/OT Losses: 0" for example

 

[Kane One]

Kane,

I took a look at your site, and I have a few questions.

I can get the 3-pt system to work. Also, 1983-1999. And the Ties after Regulation (NHL -1983). But,

Can you explain the points for the ties after overtime? I can't seem to get the math to work in my head. And, the column headings seem to include things that are not needed in that system.

I will give you an example of what I mean. Under the "Ties after OT" system, you have listed "WINS" "LOSSES" "TIES" and "OTL". So, I am assuming this is a no-shootout system. The footnote says "Wins - 2, Ties/OTL -1, Reg Loss - 0". (To me, this means that all games decided in OT are 3-pt games. True?) Since my team is Minnesota, I look at their standings. It says 23 wins (x2 = 46 pts), 20 losses (I assume Reg losses = 0 pts), 10 Ties (10 pts), 2 OTL (2 pts). Add those, and I get 58 pts. But you have 61 listed. So, I don't understand.

And, it seems this problem applies for many of the teams.

Thanks for helping.

Thanks.

It's now fixed. That shows how unpopular the site is that it's been up for a month and no one noticed.

 

[PenguinMario]

It's now fixed. That shows how unpopular the site is that it's been up for a month and no one noticed.

I love it actually - the True Standings guy doesn't update any more, and your version is more comprehensive in any case. Thanks for this.

 

[AvInNebr]

Good looking site. No real reason for me to continue to keep my spreadsheet up to date other than the few minor things I've tracked for curiosities sake.

 

[Kane One]

I love it actually - the True Standings guy doesn't update any more, and your version is more comprehensive in any case. Thanks for this.

Good looking site. No real reason for me to continue to keep my spreadsheet up to date other than the few minor things I've tracked for curiosities sake.

Thanks, guys. And sorry to steal your show, AvInNebr.

 

[Kane One]

Kane, do you manually update the actual results on your site or do you scrape them from somewhere?

The current NHL standings are read automatically every 5 minutes from NHL.com. Using those standings, it automatically updates every point system listed.

 

[NWAvs]

Awesome site!

 

[Hynh]

I didn't realize this was a thread. My site www.hockeystandings.info keeps track of different points systems, such as the three point system, win-loss, ties after OT, and ties after regulation.

Now to actually add to the topic, I want the win-loss system. There's no reason to still award points when there's currently no such thing as a tie.

Can you do one like win-loss but with regulation/OT wins being counted first and then SO wins being the tie breaker?

 

[Kane One]

Can you do one like win-loss but with regulation/OT wins being counted first and then SO wins being the tie breaker?

So it would be win-loss, except the only wins being counted are regulation/OT wins?

I'll add it this weekend if I have time.

Awesome site!

Thanks!

 

[AvInNebr]

Thanks, guys. And sorry to steal your show, AvInNebr.

No problem ... and it isn't entirely stolen. Overall though like the site and . I mean I do a couple alternative methods you don't have and a few stats that are tracked automatically on the spreadsheet as I enter games.