All Time Draft First Round - Aurora Tigers @ Barrie Flyers

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  1. arrbez

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    The Aurora Tigers:

    GM: Arrbez

    Coach: Tommy Ivan

    Vsevolod Bobrov (A) - Pat Lafontaine - Helmut Balderis
    John Leclair - Eric Lindros - Jeremy Roenick
    Ivan Hlinka (A) - Ralph Backstrom - Ron Ellis
    Bob Probert - Ken Linseman - Owen Nolan
    Troy Murray

    Ray Bourque (C) - Nikolai Sologubov
    Ebbie Goodfellow - Art Coulter
    Rob Ramage - Teppo Numminen
    Sandis Ozolinsh

    Vladislav Tretiak
    Riley Hern
    Arturs Irbe
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    The Barrie Flyers:

    GM: Pappyline

    Coach: Bob Johnson

    Busher Jackson - Max Bentley - Dit Clapper
    Charlie Simmer - Ulf Nilsson - Anders Hedberg
    Doug Mohns - Tod Sloan - Ed Litzenberger
    Johnny Wilson - Fleming Mackell - Eric Nesterenko
    Cal Gardner

    Doug Harvey - Fern Flaman
    Moose Vasko - Neil Colville
    Lars Erik Sjoberg - Jim Nielson
    Jack Evans

    Gump Worseley
    Mike Karakus
    Eddie Johnston
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    Good luck sir, may the better team win. Just let me know of any changes that need to be made to your roster, who your captains are, etc.
     
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    ...Wow!Definitely a match up that will need a tactical analysis...
     
  3. arrbez

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    yeah, my first thought was that both these teams were extremely similar, not only in terms of talent, but in terms of their make-up.
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    Some additional info for my team:

    Special Teams

    Powerplay 1:
    Bobrov-Lafontaine-Nolan
    Bourque-Numminen

    Powerplay 2:
    Leclair-Lindros-Balderis
    Sologubov-Goodfellow

    Penalty Kill 1:
    Backstrom-Roenick
    Bourque-Ramage

    Penalty Kill 2:
    Ellis-Hlinka
    Coulter-Numminen


    Variations:

    I guess there's no game-to-game planning we can do as GM's, so here's what I'd like to see from my team in certain situations.

    -If Balderis is not working out, look for him to be scratched in favor of Nolan on the top line. Troy Murray will fill Nolans role on the 4th.

    -If the powerplay is having serious issues, look for Ozolinsh to be inserted for Numminen, and given low minutes at even strength. If the opponent is particularly penalty-prone, look for Probert to be scratched and have Ozolinsh dressed exclusively as a PP specialist.


    Captains:

    (C) Ray Bourque
    This one was a no brainer. Not only one of the best players to ever live, but one of the classiest as well. With his tireless dedication to the game, Bourque will be a great ambassador for this squad.

    (A) Vsevolod Bobrov
    The original Soviet captain, Bobrov was characterized by his dogged determination. The kind of player who was the first one to the rink and the last one to leave, Bobrov was a natural leader, captaining both the Soviet hockey and soccer teams internationally.

    (A) Ivan Hlinka
    Perhaps the most respected man in the history of Czech hockey, Hlinka was the heart and soul of the national team for years. He is often credited with being the player who made his countrymen believe that they could compete with the best Soviet and Canadian teams in the world, taking them within an overtime period of winning the 1976 Canada Cup and scooping up Top Forward honours in the process.
     
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    First thing that strikes me is I like Barrie's 2nd and 4th lines better. However, I personally would give Tretiak the goaltending edge. How much of an edge that is I dunno.

    I also like Harvey vs. Bourque. Great match up, but edge to Harvey.
     
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  5. kruezer

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    Hmm, definitely a tough call, I think Busher Jackson is really underrated, and that Barrie has a wicked top line.

    Couple of top bluelines for sure, just fantasticly put together.
     
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    I like my 2nd line MUCH better than Barrie's. Nilsson and Hedberg were great in the WHA, but they arrived in the NHL (still in their 20's) and didn't really blow anyone away. They hovered around a PPG, which is good, but not exactly dominant in the early 1980's.

    Lindros was far more dominant than any of them ever were, and is clearly the best player from the two lines IMO. Although he fills the same role as Simmer does, I feel Leclair is the better player. Very solid defensively, with offensive stats that are much more impressive than Simmer's when era is taken into account. Roenick is just the icing on the cake IMO, bringing as much offense as anyone on the other line as well as great speed, physical play, and defensive awareness.

    I feel the 2nd line matchup is a big advantage for my squad.
     
  7. John Flyers Fan

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    Agreeed. I think you have the better 2nd and 4th lines, and his 1st and 3rd lines are better.
     
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    Really? I'm not a fan of Probert or Nolan on the 4th line. Linsman is terrific of course.

    Perhaps I'm too hard on Lindros but to me he was completely exposed.
     
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    I agree on the fourth line, I'd take Pappy's for sure, I think I'd take Pappy's 1st and 4th and Arrbez's 2nd and 3rd.

    Matchups will be pretty key in this series.
     
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    I agree. This is a fun series with good potential strategy. I mean I may say I like Barrie's second line more, but Aurora's could beat them up if matched up with them.
     
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    In terms of forwards, I'd take pappy's first line but arrbez's second line. I'd give pappy's third line a slight edge, they both have two good defensive forwards with more of an offensive player, but Sloan and Mohns were a little better offensively than Ellis and Backstrom. The fourth lines are very close too. While Mackell was a very good scorer in the playoffs, Linseman was no slouch either. I think Barrie will get a little more defense from their line while Aurora will get more physical play.
     
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    Rediculously close matchup.

    Bourque vs Harvey?

    Ivan vs Johnson?

    Worsley vs Tretiak?

    Whats clear is Barries advantage on the first line, however Aurora's second line is pretty stout and negates that advantage. No real defined checking lines on either team to shut either down.

    About the only advantage I can see for either is the pairing on the first defense. Flaman take Sologubov I'd think. Barrie has rediculous flexibilty as well but does it translate into an advantage here?
     
  13. arrbez

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    Exposed in what sense? All I ask is that people remember him for his prime (roughly 1993-2002), and not his injury-plagued downfall. He's not the only player with a dominant but short prime.

    Even a guy like Guy Lafleur had about 6 or 7 GREAT seasons, had some injuries, and was never the same. I'm not comparing Lindros to Guy Lafleur by any means, but I don't think it's out of line to consider their careers in the same context. In terms of this draft, I think of Lafleur as the 125-135 point player of his prime, and not the 75 point player he was after age 30.

    For 6 or 7 years, Lindros was one of the best players on the planet. Among forwards with all-world offensive talent, he's probably the most physically imposing ever. He may be the laughingstock of the league now, but in the 90's he was one of the most feared players ever, and certainly had the respect of his peers:


    "When I was coaching in Florida and Eric Lindros came off the Flyers' bench, I would shake--every time. That didn't happen with anyone else." -Doug MacLean

    "Hockey is like one big scrimmage line in football. You have to open holes, run through that line, push that line backwards in order to get a scoring opportunity. Eric does that all by himself." -Derian Hatcher

    "Five-on-five, there is no tougher player to defend than Lindros. Eric is like a train coming at you getting bigger, bigger, bigger until you hear the crash. Unfortunately, he's usually standing and I'm trying to pick myself off the ice." -Ray Bourque

    "Eric Lindros is a superstar among superstars" -Mark Messier
     
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    So anyways, here's my (slightly partial ;)) take on this:


    Coach:
    I feel I have the distinct edge in terms of coaching. Tommy Ivan engineered a dynasty in Detroit, and has much more success than Bob Johnson at the pro level. I have Ivan rated somewhere between 5-7 in terms of the top coaches in league history, which is a clear step up from Badger Bob. I feel Ivan's balanced style and subtly authoritative manner are also perfect fits for my squad. Ivan was a master of line-juggling, and because of this I've created a versatile 4th line that can be shuffled throughout the rest of the lineup if need be.


    Goaltending:
    What always seems to be the most important position come playoff time? Goaltending. I feel I have not only the better starter, but the better backup as well. I have Tretiak rated in the second tier of goaltenders with your Parent, Broda, etc. I have Worsely rated much later than that. He's a solid #1, but I wouldn't rate him in the top half of this draft like I do Tretiak.


    Line 1:
    I believe Barrie has the better top line, although it's close. Bentley-Jackson is an excellent combo. Clapper brings a lot of size and while he's an alltime great player, I'm not sure he was an alltime great RW. He was a better defenceman, from what I gather. I feel Bobrov is the best pure goalscorer here, but Lafontaine is a definite step down from Bentley as a playmaking centre. Balderis is somewhat of an enigma, even for me. He was one of the highest scoring Soviet players of his era, and performed well when given the chance against the world's best, but never got a whole lot of exposure in North America.

    Line 2:
    Although I consider my top 2 lines to be 1A and 1B, I guess this is my second. I feel this is my team's biggest advantage in this series. While both lines have a duo with proven chemistry, only one of those duo's excelled at the NHL level. Hedberg and Nilsson dominated the freewheeling WHA, but were not the same players when they entered the NHL still in their prime (28 and 29 years old, respectively). Hedberg's play dropped to under a PPG in the highest scoring era in NHL history. Nilsson fared a bit better, but was missing 20+ games a year due to injury. By contrast, the Lindros-Leclair duo dominated the NHL for a number of years. Lindros was the total package and among the best in the world during the 90's, and from 1995-2000 only Jagr scored more goals than Leclair (1 more, to be exact). I like my chances with Roenick vs. Simmer as well, as I feel JR is the more versatile player, and has the speed to really make this line dangerous. Am I a homer? Perhaps. But I feel that if these two lines were matched up together, mine would absolutely tee off on Barrie's.

    Line 3:
    As someone mentioned before, both lines have a couple of defensive aces with a two-way capable offensive player. While Hlinka may be the best offensive player, Barrie's trio may bring more offense as a whole. I feel Barrie's line brings more physical play, while mine brings more speed. From my perspective, I think Backstrom and Ellis's exceptional speed will be key in containing shifty little Max Bentley.

    Line 4:
    These lines bring different elements to the table. Barrie's line is very solid and versatile, and would probably excell more than mine would playing regular minutes. All 3 guys bring grit, respectable offense, and winning pedigrees. I saw my 4th line as an opportunity to build a "spark" line. While they won't get a ton of minutes, they're the type of players who can turn a game around. I feel that just having Probert dressed adds a dimension of accountability to my squad that many lack. As a player, I feel he's good enough not to hurt me in a limited role. Unlike most players in his weight class, he could skate and actually had a decent scoring touch. Nolan is a prototypical power-forward, who can cause havoc in the corners and in front of the net. I like Nolan also as a spare part, who could move onto either of the top-2 lines if needed. I feel Linseman is the key to this line. He's arguably the biggest sh*t disturber in NHL history, and has the ability to take opposing players off their games. On top of that, he was a very respectable playmaking centre who lead his team in scoring on a couple of occaisions. The playoffs were where he really shone though. He's over a PPG in his playoff career, and he lead his teams in playoff scoring 5 times, with very impressive totals of 25, 22, and 20. The big concern with my 4th line is penalty trouble, which is why they'll be given limited minutes on most nights.


    Defence Pairing 1:
    I took Bourque with my first pick, and seeing how fast defensemen flew off the board, I'm really happy with how that worked out. I would imagine Pappyline is equally happy with Harvey. I feel that having a big stud on the blueline gives you a lot of options in terms of building a defense corps. Harvey-Flaman is a GREAT first pairing who bring a ton of toughness and offence. I rate Harvey ahead of Bourque, but the gap is small. Harvey's 7 Norris's in 8 years can't be ignored. While Bourque "only" won it 5 times, he was a finalist on 9 other occaisions. Both were just simply the defining rearguards of their era. Sologubov and Flaman are both good foils for their respective partners. Bourque's ridiculously steady play allows Sologubov to rush the puck and throw his weight around, while Flaman's defensive prowess allows Harvey to quarterback the offence.

    Defence Pairing 2:
    I give myself the edge on the second pairing. I feel Goodfellow is the best of the four, while Coulter is at the very least on par with the Vasko and Colville (he has as many allstar selections as the two of them combined). My pairing has a Hart trophy, as well as 6 allstar team selections to Barrie's 3, for what it's worth. I feel Coulter's bruising defensive style is the perfect match for Goodfellow, who was among the leagues higher scoring forwards early in his career prior to moving to the backend.

    Defence Pairing 3:
    The 3rd pairing IMO just needed to be solid, which is what mine is. Ramage brings some nice size and grit, and Numminen is just a solid, solid player. Both have good size (6'2), can play special teams, and bring offense to the table as well. Barrie's is much the same. While Sjoberg was tiny, he wasn't a total pushover physically, and was very good offensively. Neilson is an excellent partner for him, bringing size and a bit of offence as well. I feel his 3rd pairing will creat more offense, while mine will be better in their own zone.



    While some matchups would have been disastrous for my team, I feel this is one I can win. Both teams are very evenly matched, but I feel I have the bigger edge in certain departments than can make up for the smaller edges Barrie has in others.
     
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    Just a few thoughts on this series:

    - Some of you will disagree with this, but having so many Europeans who have no North American playoff experience could be a question mark for Aurora. There is a world of difference between a round-robin tourney like the Worlds and a best-of-seven against the same team.

    - Ray Bourque was a great defenceman, but has the misfortune to be in a series against one of the few better than him. Doug Harvey controls games and has no weaknesses.

    - Usually pappy's teams are among the toughest in the ATD, but Aurora betters them in that regard. I don't think Barrie has anyone to answer to Probert or Lindros.

    - I think Bourque-Coulter would make a better pair than Bourque-Sologubov

    - Barrie has incredible depth at forward, but not so much on defence. I'm surprised Clapper isn't on the blueline instead of Vasko.
     
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    I think the wildcard in this series is Barrie's versatility. If pappy chooses to make use of it, he has a very unpredictable lineup, and that's something that Aurora will have to be ready for.

    If Barrie is up by a goal late in the game, he can move Clapper and Mohns back to the blue-line. Harvey-Clapper-Flaman Mohns would likely be the best top four in the draft. If he's down by a goal late in the game, he can move Colville up to forward. He has so many options, and I think it's a luxury.

    arrbez definitely has an edge on the second line, but don't underrate the talent that pappy has. Simmer was a two-time all-star, and his size, touch and corner work will make him an ideal winger for the Swedes. Still, it's hard to imagine a more effective second unit than Aurora's.

    In the same breath, it's hard to imagine a more dangerous first line than Barrie's. Jackson and Bentley are very close to top-10 all-time players at their respective positions, and Clapper, due to his versatility, is one of the most valuable players in the draft. If pappy chooses to employ Clapper as a D, move Litzenberger up to the first line. I think anyone could score 40 goals playing with Bentley and Jackson.

    I see a checking line for pappy for the first time ever. Mackell's a terrific guy for that role.

    Goaltending is the other wildcard. You know what you'll get from Gump Worsley: a hard-working goalie who never gives up and keeps the mood light. Tretiak? His ability to survive in a best-of-seven series, especially against the talent that pappy packs, will determine the victory in this match-up.
     
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    I LOVE Arrbez`s first line. Balderis and Bobrov are the players that you need for Lafontaine. An awesome playmaker with extremely speedy finishers is exactly what you need to score.

    For me, the 2nd line goes to Barry. I am not sold on LeClair, that is pretty much it. I know he had a good chemistry with Lindros but.... don`t know what to say, I just don`t like him.

    3rd and especially 4th line goes to Aurora as well. Linseman on the 4th is killer.

    Of course Barry has the best d-man in that series but the overall defensive depth just has to go to Arrbez as well. his top4 and how they are paired is just monster (love the Bourque/Sologubov pair)

    How can anyone question Tretiak? I really like Worsley but Tretiak is simply better (at least what I saw). Hern as a back-up is IMO also better than a Worsley/Karakus combo.



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    My English is quickly deteriorating.
     
  18. John Flyers Fan

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    I can ... :D I'm sure that many have heard my thoughts on Tretiak .... if aurora had taken Billy Smith, or especially Bernie Parent, he'd be in great shape.
     
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    I'm with you JFF, not a huge Tretiak fan, though that doesn't necessarily mean I'd take the Gump over him, but Billy Smith would certainly have been a better pick.
     
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    I'm not sure why Tretiak gets such a bum rap among some posters. I think his resume is damn impressive, even ignoring all the World Championships and what-have-you.

    He's a 5 time Soviet MVP. Obviously Soviet League championships and such are tainted, but to be voted the best player in the USSR 5 times is extremely impressive, especially when nobody else won more than 3. He has as many Kharlamov and Fetisov combined, and we know MVP awards rarely go to goaltenders in any league. For what it's worth, he also won the Soviet equivalent of the Vezina 14 consecutive years. The Hockey News has him rated as the second best Russian ever behind Fetisov. In separate lists, the IIHF and Russian media have him as #1.

    At the tender age of 20 (an age where most goalies drafted here were still in the minors...Worsley wasn't even playing pro hockey yet), he faced off against what was probably the greatest hockey team ever assembled to that point, and made a name for himself, twice being named player of the game.

    In what many consider to be the greatest game of hockey ever played, The Central Red Army squad faced off against the Montreal Canadiens on New Years eve 1975. The teams played to a 3-3 tie. Dryden faced 13 shots, Tretiak faced 38.

    He was MVP of the '81 Canada Cup, posting a 1.33 GAA against the best players in the world, and absolutely stonewalling what should have been one of the greatest Canadian offenses ever assembled (Gretzky, Bossy, Dionne, Lafleur, Trottier, Perreault, Robinson, Potvin, Bourque, etc) in the finals.

    After not being allowed to leave the USSR to play for the Montreal Canadiens who drafted him in 1984, he retired, still at his peak, aged 32. He was the first Soviet player inducted to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1989.

    I think even the biggest Tretiak cynics have to rate him higher than Gump Worsley. Despite being the losingest goalie in NHL history, the Gumper is a solid starter in this draft (he's my Grandpa's favourite player, I know ALL about him). However, I don't feel he's in Tretiak's league.
     
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    Games 6,7 and 8 of the 1972 Summit Series and the "Miracle on Ice" game are 4 of the 10 most important games of his career and he came up real small in all four.
     
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    As I say, he was 20 years old in the Summit Series. That's incredibly young for a goaltender, especially prior to the 1980's.

    At the same age:

    Terry Sawchuk - AHL, 3 years away from being an NHL starter
    Jacques Plante - Not even in the AHL yet, six years from becoming NHL starter
    Glenn Hall - Not yet in the AHL, 5 years away from NHL starter
    Martin Bordeur - still in the Q
    Ken Dryden - In university, 4 years away from playing an NHL game
    Bernie Parent - Still in the minors
    Billy Smith - First year in the AHL, 3 years removed from NHL starter
    Turk Broda - Not yet in pro hockey, 3 years away from NHL action

    With the notable exception of Patrick Roy, it's obvious that unlike forwards or defence, goaltenders do not just step into the highest level of hockey and dominate at the age of 20. Even Roy took a couple more years before he solidifyed his status and found his consistancy. Hasek was in the Czech league at a ridiculously young age, but didn't establish himself as the top goaltender untill he was 21 or 22. Judging a goaltender of that age on the basis of consistency is foolishness. For comparison's sake, the 2004 draft class is now older than Tretiak was. The Blues' Marek Schwarz is the only goaltender from that class to have played an NHL game. He's played 2. Would you expect him, or Pogge, or Dubnyk to shine against Team Canada? We should be impressed that Tretiak played as well as he did.



    Now, if the 1980 Olympics are one of the most important games of his career, does that mean his 3 gold medals are equally valuable? How about his 10 World Championships (which were essentially the same thing at the time)?

    The 1980 Olympics are not nearly as bad as advertized for Tretiak. Hell, he didn't even take the loss. The game was tied when he left. The goals weren't that bad. And to this day, many of the Soviet players still have no idea why Tretiak was pulled.

    "Years later, when they were NHL teammates, Johnson asked Soviet defenseman Slava Fetisov why coach Viktor Tikhonov had shown so little faith in Tretiak. “Coach crazy,” replied Fetisov."

    Fetisov has also stated that he identifies Tikhonov's replacing of Tretiak with Myshkin as the turning point in the game. Tikhonov later suggested the change was made under pressure from Soviet officials at the game.

    I've even seen quotes from the American players that say they have no idea why he was replaced, but that it gave them confidence because they weren't sure if they could get another past him.

    Bottom line: A poor coaching decision. Impact on Tretiak's status: overblown.
     
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    You're making a pretty good case for Tretiak, he definitely gets a lot more flak than he deserves in this draft.
     
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    I knew this would happen, so I had a LOT of Tretiak research prepared :D
     
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    He always takes the flak in games that were somehow not his fault. Teams lose, goalies rarely do IMO.
     

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