All-time draft continued

[GB]

could it be a goaltender who led chicago to a stanley cup?

Yes it could I was realy tempted to pick him, but IMHO Foster was better. I am a little suprised that no-one picked him up though.

Liam

 

[Spitfire11]

Defense: "Black Jack" Stewart - the most feared hitter of the forties and one of the best defenders

This one suprised me. I also thought Gadsby lasted a lot longer than he should have.

 

[Frightened Inmate #2]

Calder Memorial Trophy:

Gilbert Perreault - 1971
Peter Forsberg - 1994

James Norris Trophy:

N/A

Frank J. Selke Trophy:

N/A

Art Ross Trophy:

Doug Bentley - 1943 (Runner Up: 1944, 1949)
Max Bentley - 1946, 1947
Gordie Howe – 1951
Gordie Howe – 1952
Gordie Howe – 1953
Gordie Howe – 1954
Gordie Howe – 1957
Gordie Howe - 1963
Peter Forsberg – 2003

Runner Ups.
Peter Forsberg - 1998
Kevin Stevens - 1992
Gordie Howe - 1956

King Clancy Memorial Trophy:

N/A

Lester B. Person

Dominik Hasek – 1997
Dominik Hasek - 1998

Bill Masterton Trophy:

Claude Provost - 1968

Vezina Trophy:

Pelle Lindbergh - 1985
Dominik Hasek – 1994
Dominik Hasek – 1995
Dominik Hasek – 1997
Dominik Hasek – 1998
Dominik Hasek – 1999
Dominik Hasek – 2001



Conn Smythe Trophy:

N/A

Hart Memorial Trophy:

Max Bentley – 1946
Babe Pratt - 1944
Dominik Hasek – 1997
Dominik Hasek - 1998
Gordie Howe – 1952
Gordie Howe – 1953
Gordie Howe – 1957
Gordie Howe – 1958
Gordie Howe – 1960
Gordie Howe – 1963


Peter Forsberg - 2003

Runner Ups
Dominik Hasek - 1994
Gordie Howe – 1959
Doug Bentley –1943
Dit Clapper – 1941


All-Star Selections:

First Team:

Peter Forsberg – 2003
Peter Forsberg – 1998
Pelle Lindbergh – 1985
Dominik Hasek - 1994
Dominik Hasek – 1995
Dominik Hasek – 1997
Dominik Hasek – 1998
Dominik Hasek – 1999
Dominik Hasek - 2001
Gordie Howe - 1951
Gordie Howe – 1952
Gordie Howe – 1953
Gordie Howe – 1954
Gordie Howe – 1957
Gordie Howe – 1958
Gordie Howe – 1960
Gordie Howe – 1963
Gordie Howe – 1966
Gordie Howe – 1968
Gordie Howe – 1969
Gordie Howe – 1970
Dit Clapper – 1939
Dit Clapper – 1940
Dit Clapper – 1941
King Clancey – 1931
King Clancey – 1934
Babe Pratt – 1944
Doug Bentley – 1943
Doug Bentley – 1944
Doug Bentley – 1947
Max Bentley – 1946
Claude Provost – 1965
Kevin Stevens - 1992

Second Team:

Gilbert Perreault – 1977
Gilbert Perreault – 1976
Kevin Stevens – 1993
Kevin Stevens – 1991
Gordie Howe – 1949
Gordie Howe – 1950
Gordie Howe – 1956
Gordie Howe – 1959
Gordie Howe – 1961
Gordie Howe – 1962
Gordie Howe – 1964
Gordie Howe – 1965
Gordie Howe – 1967
Dit Clapper – 1931
Dit Calpper –1935
Dit Clapper – 1944
Babe Pratt – 1945
Bill Mosienko – 1945
Bill Mosienko – 1946
Doug Bentley – 1949
Max Bentley – 1947
King Clancey – 1933
King Clancey – 1932


Hall Of Fame Honoured Members:

Doug Bentley 1964
Max Bentley 1966
King Clancy 1958
Dit Clapper 1947
Gordie Howe 1972
Bill Mosienko 1965
Gilbert Perreault 1990
Babe Pratt 1966

On the Top 50 List (THN)
3. Gordie Howe
41. Dit Clapper
47. Gilbert Perreault
48. Max Bentley

 

[Gee Wally]

You just made an old man (Gee Wally) very happy

you betcha !!!!!!

 

[Leaf Lander]

bench players?

 

[BM67]

On the Top 50 List (THN)
3. Gordie Howe
41. Dit Clapper
47. Gilbert Perreault
48. Max Bentley

My Top 50 List members:
8. Bobby Hull
12. Mark Messier
22. Red Kelly
25. Ken Dryden
31. Dickie Moore
36. Charlie Conacher

Top 100 Guys:
51. Nels Stewart
57. Ted Kennedy
58. Andy Bathgate
60. Turk Broda
69. Dave Keon
72. Earl Seibert
88. Sprague Cleghorn
99. Bill Gadsby

They are listed in a thread in this forum if anybody else wants to look them up.

 

[Leaf Lander]

Spitfire11

and john flyers fan

do you two need to make a new selection?

 

[monkey_00*]

<Center>Winnipeg JETS (monkey_00)

(G)-Martin Brodeur
(G)-Tony Esposito

(D)-Larry Robinson (D)-Zdeno Chara
(D)-Kjell Samuelsson (D)-Borje Salming
(D)-Marcel Pronovost (D)-Steve Smith

(LW)-Rick MacLeish (C)-Bobby Clarke (RW)-Guy LaFleur
(LW)-Todd Bertuzzi (C)-Butch Goring (RW)-Terry O'Reilly
(LW)-Vladimir Krutov (C)-Igor Larionov (RW)-Yvon Cournoyer
(LW)-Luc Robitaille (C)-Alex Delvecchio (RW)-Mark Recchi

Specialty teams:

<Center>PP1- MacLeish-Clarke-LaFleur
Robinson-Salming

PP2- Bertuzzi-Delvecchio-Recchi
Smith-Pronovost

PK1- Larionov-Krutov
Samuelsson-Chara

PK2- Goring-Cournoyer
Robinson-Salming

 

[BM67]

Hart Trophy winners, and runner-ups by team:

Winners: ** is with USSR Player of the Year winners

1. Detroit Red Wings: 4 - Bobby Orr (3), Phil Esposito (2), Stan Mikita (2), Joe Sakic
2. Philadelphia Flyers: 4 - Wayne Gretzky (9), Jaromir Jagr, Sergei Fedorov, Bill Cowley (2) **5 – Sergei Makarov (3)
3. Quebec Nordiques: 5 - Gordie Howe (6), Dominik Hasek (2), Peter Forsberg, Max Bentley, Babe Pratt **7 – Valeri Kharlamov, Aleksander Maltsev
4. Vancouver Millionaires: 4 - Mario Lemieux (2), Bryan Trottier, Sid Abel, Roy Worters
5. Boston Bruins: 3 - Howie Morenz (3), Milt Schmidt, Bernie Geoffrion
6. Toronto Maple Leafs: 2 - Maurice Richard, Eric Lindros
7. Colorado Rockies: 4 - Jean Beliveau (2), Jacques Plante, Toe Blake, Ebbie Goodfellow
8. Montreal Canadiens: 2 - Aurel Joliat, Elmer Lach
9. Winnipeg Jets: 2 - Guy Lafleur (2), Bobby Clarke (3) **4 – Igor Larionov, Vladimir Krutov
10. Los Angeles Kings: 2 - Eddie Shore (4), Chris Pronger **3 – Vladislav Tretiak (5)
11. Pittsburgh Penguins: 0 **2 - Viachaslav Fetisov, Boris Mikhailov (2)
12. New Jersey Devils: 6 - Bobby Hull (2), Mark Messier (2), Nels Stewart (2), Andy Bathgate, Ted Kennedy, Babe Siebert

Runner-ups: #(#) is minus players on the above list of winners

1. Detroit Red Wings: 2(1) - Phil Esposito (2), Paul Kariya
2. Philadelphia Flyers: 6(3) - Wayne Gretzky, Denis Potvin, Jaromir Jagr (3), Bill Cowley, Johnny Bower, Ching Johnson
3. Quebec Nordiques: 4(2) - Gordie Howe, Dominik Hasek, Dit Clapper, Doug Bentley
4. Vancouver Millionaires: 4(1) - Mario Lemieux (3), Bryan Trottier (2), Bernie Parent, Roy Worters
5. Boston Bruins: 4(2) – Doug Harvey, Howie Morenz, Milt Schmidt, Bill Durnan
6. Toronto Maple Leafs: 3(2) - Maurice Richard (2), Doug Gilmour, Grant Fuhr
7. Colorado Rockies: 2(1) - Jean Beliveau (4), Syl Apps Sr. (3)
8. Montreal Canadiens: 4(3) - Ray Bourque (2), Dale Hawerchuk, Rod Langway, Elmer Lach
9. Winnipeg Jets: 3(1) - Guy Lafleur, Bobby Clarke, Tony Esposito
10. Los Angeles Kings: 4(3) - Eddie Shore, Marcel Dionne, Bill Cook (2), Markus Naslund
11. Pittsburgh Penguins: 1 - Patrick Roy
12. New Jersey Devils: 9(5) - Bobby Hull (2), Mark Messier, Red Kelly, Ken Dryden, Charlie Conacher, Andy Bathgate, Lionel Conacher (2), Ted Kennedy, Sprague Cleghorn (2)


Unselected winners (8):

Frank Nighbor
Billy Burch
Herb Gardiner
Tom Anderson
Buddy O’Connor
Charlie Rayner
Al Rollins
Jose Theodore

Unselected runner-ups (16):

Ace Bailey
Lionel Hitchman
Hooley Smith
Paul Thompson
Gaye Stewart
Frank Brimsek
Al Rollins
Harry Lumley
Tod Sloan
Norm Ullman
Ed Giacomin
Rogatien Vachon
Mike Liut
Pete Peeters
Alexei Yashin
Jarome Iginla

 

[Spitfire11]

Spitfire11

and john flyers fan

do you two need to make a new selection?

no, i think we're done

 

[Frightened Inmate #2]

I was just wondering how everyone here would rate the teams in the following categories

Offensive Ability
Defensive Ability
Team Toughness
Goaltending
Overall

 

[BM67]

NHL goal scoring leaders:

1. Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings: 3 - Phil Esposito (6), Teemu Selanne (3), Keith Tkachuk
2. John Flyers Fan - Philadelphia Flyers: 3 - Wayne Gretzky (4), Joe Malone (2), Bryan Hextall (2)
3. Maxwell Edison - Quebec Nordiques: 2 - Gordie Howe (5), Doug Bentley (2),
4. Dr. Love - Vancouver Millionaires: 6 - Mario Lemieux (3), Brett Hull (3), Alexander Mogilny, Sid Abel, Roy Conacher, Punch Broadbent
5. Laperriere22 - Boston Bruins: 4 - Ted Lindsay, Howie Morenz, Bernie Geoffrion (2), Newsy Lalonde
6. Gilmour's Way - Toronto Maple Leafs: 1 - Maurice Richard (5)
7. Oiler94 - Colorado Rockies: 1 - Jean Beliveau (2)
8. GB Editor - Montreal Canadiens: 0
9. monkey_00 - Winnipeg Jets: 1 - Guy Lafleur
10. Herby - Los Angeles Kings: 2 - Pavel Bure (3), Bill Cook (2)
11. Jbd3939 - Pittsburgh Penguins: 3 - Mike Bossy (2), Jari Kurri, Peter Bondra (2)
12. BM67 - New Jersey Devils: 4 - Bobby Hull (7), Dickie Moore, Charlie Conacher (5), Nels Stewart (2)

Undrafted leaders:

Charlie Simmer
Danny Gare
Blaine Stoughton
Steve Shutt
Reggie Leach
Norm Ullman
Bronco Horvath
Gaye Stewart
Lynn Patrick
Gordon Drillon
Larry Aurie
Bill Thoms
Cooney Weiland
Ace Bailey
Babe Dye (3)
Cy Denneny

More of the "The All-Undrafted Team":

The "60 goal scorer line":
Steve Shutt (60) - Bernie Nicholls (70) - Reggie Leach (61)

 

[BM67]

I was just wondering how everyone here would rate the teams in the following categories

Offensive Ability
Defensive Ability
Team Toughness
Goaltending
Overall

Well I've made a start, and it needs some revisions, since even I don't think my rankings are right.

I've started by rating the players out of 10 in each area. When I've done all 12 teams, I'll have to make a review, and then probably weight things like starter/backup, and actually have to decide who I think is the top goalie of all-time. A lot of goalies rated at 9.5 right now.

Any how just to get some thoughts flowing:

Offense:
1 - Quebec Nordiques
1 - New Jersey Devils
3 - Vancouver Millionaires
4 - Philadelphia Flyers
5 - Toronto Maple Leafs
5 - Colorado Rockies
7 - Detroit Red Wings
7 - Boston Bruins

Defense:
1 - Boston Bruins
2 - Vancouver Millionaires
3 - Philadelphia Flyers
3 - Colorado Rockies
3 - New Jersey Devils
6 - Quebec Nordiques
7 - Toronto Maple Leafs
8 - Detroit Red Wings

Toughness:
1 - Boston Bruins
2 - Toronto Maple Leafs
3 - Colorado Rockies
4 - New Jersey Devils
5 - Detroit Red Wings
6 - Vancouver Millionaires
7 - Philadelphia Flyers
8 - Quebec Nordiques

Goaltending:
1 - New Jersey Devils
2 - Vancouver Millionaires
2 - Boston Bruins
2 - Toronto Maple Leafs
2 - Pittsburgh Penguins
6 - Colorado Rockies
6 - Winnipeg Jets
8 - Philadelphia Flyers
8 - Quebec Nordiques
8 - Los Angeles Kings
11 - Montreal Canadiens
12 - Detroit Red Wings

Overall:
1 - Philadelphia Flyers
1 - New Jersey Devils
3 - Quebec Nordiques
3 - Boston Bruins
5 - Vancouver Millionaires
6 - Toronto Maple Leafs
6 - Colorado Rockies
8 - Detroit Red Wings

I think my ratings might be getting worse rather than better. Remember still in the rough draft phase.

 

[Leaf Lander]

sawchuck is in the roy territory

no one else compares yet

fhur won 4 cups

both my golaies got over 400 wins



I think there shouyld be arule no rankign your team#1

 

[BM67]

sawchuck is in the roy territory

no one else compares yet

fhur won 4 cups

both my golaies got over 400 wins



I think there shouyld be arule no rankign your team#1

You mean Roy is in the Sawchuk territory. Since we're looking at them in their prime only their best year applies, not the career numbers, so most everybody is comparable. I have to say that Goalie is the one area where it is neccesary to look at career almost as much as the best year to get a true perspective.

Fuhr won 5 Cups, but didn't play a game in one Cup run, and Sawchuk won 4, but they both played for about 20 years. 9 Cups in 40 is nothing compared to Dryden and Broda with 11 in 22 years.

Goalie - Cups - Years
Dryden - 6 - 8
Plante - 6 - 18
Broda - 5 - 14
Fuhr - 5 - 19
Bower - 4 - 15
Roy - 4 - 18
Smith - 4 - 18
Sawchuk - 4 - 21
Brodeur - 3 - 11
Durnan - 2 - 7
Hainsworth - 2 - 11
Parent - 2 - 13
Cheevers - 2 - 14
Vernon - 2 - 19
Hasek - 1 - 12
Thompson - 1 - 12
Belfour - 1 - 15
Richter - 1 - 15
Esposito - 1 -16
Hall - 1 - 18
Tretiak - 0 - 0
Foster - 0 - 0
Lindbergh - 0 - 5
Worters - 0 - 12

I can't match your 400+ wins but then again nobody can match Dryden's career 57 losses. Dryden/Broda combined have fewer losses than Fuhr.

 

[Oiler94]

Well I've made a start, and it needs some revisions, since even I don't think my rankings are right.

I've started by rating the players out of 10 in each area. When I've done all 12 teams, I'll have to make a review, and then probably weight things like starter/backup, and actually have to decide who I think is the top goalie of all-time. A lot of goalies rated at 9.5 right now.

Any how just to get some thoughts flowing:

Offense:
1 - Quebec Nordiques
1 - New Jersey Devils
3 - Vancouver Millionaires
4 - Philadelphia Flyers
5 - Detroit Red Wings

Defense:
1 - Vancouver Millionaires
2 - Philadelphia Flyers
2 - New Jersey Devils
4 - Quebec Nordiques
5 - Detroit Red Wings

Toughness:
1 - New Jersey Devils
2 - Detroit Red Wings
3 - Vancouver Millionaires
4 - Philadelphia Flyers
5 - Quebec Nordiques

Goaltending:
1 - New Jersey Devils
2 - Vancouver Millionaires
2 - Boston Bruins
2 - Toronto Maple Leafs
2 - Pittsburgh Penguins
6 - Colorado Rockies
6 - Winnipeg Jets
8 - Philadelphia Flyers
8 - Quebec Nordiques
8 - Los Angeles Kings
11 - Montreal Canadiens
12 - Detroit Red Wings

Overall:
1 - Philadelphia Flyers
1 - New Jersey Devils
3 - Quebec Nordiques
4 - Vancouver Millionaires
5 - Detroit Red Wings

You really think Plante and Thompson deserve 6th?

Plante is probably the best goalie after Roy and Sawchuk, and is in the top 5 goaltenders all-time in shutouts.

Just so happens you have the same exact 5 teams in each category too..

 

[Frightened Inmate #2]

you are also underestimating Hasek and Lindbergh. If Pelle didn't ram himself into a pole he would be one of the top goaltenders of the 80's hell he had a 63 - 30 - 3 record. Just because he died at a young age is no reason to look down on him.

 

[BM67]

You really think Plante and Thompson deserve 6th?

Plante is probably the best goalie after Roy and Sawchuk, and is in the top 5 goaltenders all-time in shutouts.

Just so happens you have the same exact 5 teams in each category too..

As I said I've made a start. I have rated 5 teams (7 now but I have to add them) totally and all teams in goaltending, and yes it needs some work. As of right now I have most of the starters at 9.5 out of 10 and the difference is in the backups. I probably will have to weight it in favor of the starters somehow, and I have to decide who deserves 10s.

Yeah, I might have to upgrade Thompson, but I do have him rated the same as Cheevers.

 

[BM67]

you are also underestimating Hasek and Lindbergh. If Pelle didn't ram himself into a pole he would be one of the top goaltenders of the 80's hell he had a 63 - 30 - 3 record. Just because he died at a young age is no reason to look down on him.

Yeah, looking at the score I gave Lidbergh, I might have left him a little low, but he didn't do anything in his short career to put him above any of the others taken. He never won a Cup or a Hart. He didn't lead the league in GAA or shutouts. His 87-49-15 and 12-10 playoff record are good/very good but not great. He won the AHL MVP award, but Maine didn't win the Calder Cup that year.

 

[Frightened Inmate #2]

I can understand it being low though thanks to the number of years he actually played. He was a hell of a goaltender who IMO was one of the top 3 from the 80's (Fuhr and Roy the other and Fuhr is debateable)

but Dryden losing so few games is because he played on what is quite possibly the best NHL team ever assembled.

 

[BM67]

I can understand it being low though thanks to the number of years he actually played. He was a hell of a goaltender who IMO was one of the top 3 from the 80's (Fuhr and Roy the other and Fuhr is debateable)

but Dryden losing so few games is because he played on what is quite possibly the best NHL team ever assembled.

It's not so much his short career as his lack of "glory" that have him rated low. Compare his best year to Pete Peeters' and Ron Hextall's just before and after his. Peeters was runner-up for the Hart and Hextall won the Conn Smythe and both were 1st team and Vezina winners. Lindbergh showed signs of being a very good goalie, but he didn't get the chance to prove himself as an all-time great. There's a fine line between giving him credit for what he might have done and giving him too much or to little credit. Right now I've ranked him equal to Vernon and Richter so it's not like I give him no credit.

As for Dryden compare him to Durnan and Thompson. Durnan in 7 years won 6 Vezinas and was named 1st all-star 6 times, but he only won 2 Cups. Thompson won only 1 Cup on a team that won something like 5 straight American Division titles. Dryden's record is helped by the team he played on but you don't have the best team of all-time without an all-time great goalie. He won the Conn Smythe and was runner-up for the Hart in his first two years as a pro, before the Candiens became a great team, and this shows that he wasn't just the product of his team. With Dryden the Habs won 6 Cups in 8 years. They didn't win in the year before or after he was there, and they din't win the year he sat out.

 

[Leaf Lander]

You mean Roy is in the Sawchuk territory. Since we're looking at them in their prime only their best year applies, not the career numbers, so most everybody is comparable. I have to say that Goalie is the one area where it is neccesary to look at career almost as much as the best year to get a true perspective.

Fuhr won 5 Cups, but didn't play a game in one Cup run, and Sawchuk won 4, but they both played for about 20 years. 9 Cups in 40 is nothing compared to Dryden and Broda with 11 in 22 years.

Goalie - Cups - Years
Dryden - 6 - 8
Plante - 6 - 18
Broda - 5 - 14
Fuhr - 5 - 19
Bower - 4 - 15
Roy - 4 - 18
Smith - 4 - 18
Sawchuk - 4 - 21
Brodeur - 3 - 11
Durnan - 2 - 7
Hainsworth - 2 - 11
Parent - 2 - 13
Cheevers - 2 - 14
Vernon - 2 - 19
Hasek - 1 - 12
Thompson - 1 - 12
Belfour - 1 - 15
Richter - 1 - 15
Esposito - 1 -16
Hall - 1 - 18
Tretiak - 0 - 0
Foster - 0 - 0
Lindbergh - 0 - 5
Worters - 0 - 12

I can't match your 400+ wins but then again nobody can match Dryden's career 57 losses. Dryden/Broda combined have fewer losses than Fuhr.

I cant help it if my players were superb atheltes mentally and physically and thus had extended careers

When i drafted I wanted a high # of career wins and Stanley Cuos and shut outs with mr shutout Terry Sawchuk

 

[Leaf Lander]

Busher Jackson

636 241 234 475 437

PLAYOFFS
41 6 7 13 28

#10 Ron Francis

1657 537 1222 1759 965

PLAYOFFS
159 46 93 139 93

**Still Active**

#9 Maurice Richard

978 544 421 965 1285

PLAYOFFS
133 82 44 126 188

#17 Wendel Clark)

793 330 234 564 1690
PLAYOFFS

95 37 32 69 201





#93 Doug Gilmour

1474 450 964 1414 1299

PLAYOFFS
182 60 128 188 235


**Still Active**


#13 Mats Sundin

1012 434 582 1016 823

PLAYOFFS
74 31 34 65 64

**Still Active**



#25 Dave Andreychuk

1520 613 669 1282 1067

PLAYOFFS
139 42 41 83 148

**Still Active**

#88 Eric Lindros

644 348 439 787 1237

PLYOFFS
50 24 33 57 118

**Still Active**


#22 Rick Vaive

WHA Totals 75 26 33 59 248
NHL Totals 876 441 347 788 1445

Playoffs 54 27 16 43 111


# Joel Otto

943 195 313 508 1936

PLAYOFFS
122 27 47 74 205

#13 Ken Linesman

WHA Totals 71 38 38 76 126 5 2 2 4 15
NHL Totals 860 256 551 807 1727

Playoffs
113 43 77 120 325


#25 Joe Nieuwendyk

1120 513 502 1015 603

PLAYOFFS 1
49 60 50 110 87


**Still Active**

#2 Al MacInnis

1416 340 934 1274 1501

PLAYOFFS
177 39 121 160 255

**Still Active**

#4 Scott Stevens

1603 193 703 896 2765

PLAYOFFS 233 26 92 118 402

**Still Active**


#24 Doug Wilson

1024 237 590 827 830

PLAYOFFS 95 19 61 80 86



#8 Randy Carlysle

NHL Totals 1055 148 499 647 1400
PlayOFFS 69 9 24 33 120



#2 Carl Brewer

WHA Totals 77 2 23 25 42
PlayOFFS 12 0 4 4 11

NHL Totals 604 25 198 223 1037
PLAYOFFS 72 3 17 20 146


#2 Derian Hatcher

Games 830 G 70 A 225 P 295 PIM 1382

PLAYOFFS 100 6 21 27 183

**Still Active**

#25Terry Sawchuck

#31 Grant Fhur

 

[BM67]

Offense:
1 - Quebec Nordiques
2 - Philadelphia Flyers
3 - New Jersey Devils
4 - Vancouver Millionaires
5 - Pittsburgh Penguins
6 - Detroit Red Wings
7 - Colorado Rockies
8 - Los Angeles Kings
9 - Toronto Maple Leafs
10 - Boston Bruins
11 - Winnipeg Jets
12 - Montreal Canadiens

Defense:
1 - Montreal Canadiens
2 - Winnipeg Jets
3 - Boston Bruins
4 - New Jersey Devils
5 - Vancouver Millionaires
6 - Philadelphia Flyers
7 - Detroit Red Wings
8 - Los Angeles Kings
9 - Quebec Nordiques
10 - Toronto Maple Leafs
11 - Colorado Rockies
12 - Pittsburgh Penguins

Toughness:
1 - New Jersey Devils
2 - Boston Bruins
3 - Toronto Maple Leafs
4 - Colorado Rockies
5 - Detroit Red Wings
6 - Winnipeg Jets
7 - Montreal Canadiens
8 - Los Angeles Kings
9 - Vancouver Millionaires
10 - Philadelphia Flyers
11 - Pittsburgh Penguins
12 - Quebec Nordiques

Goaltending:
1 - Toronto Maple Leafs
2 - Colorado Rockies
3 - New Jersey Devils
4 - Vancouver Millionaires
5 - Pittsburgh Penguins
6 - Winnipeg Jets
7 - Boston Bruins
8 - Quebec Nordiques
9 - Los Angeles Kings
10 - Montreal Canadiens
11 - Philadelphia Flyers
12 - Detroit Red Wings

Overall:
1 - New Jersey Devils
2 - Philadelphia Flyers
3 - Vancouver Millionaires
4 - Boston Bruins
5 - Quebec Nordiques
6 - Los Angeles Kings
7 - Montreal Canadiens
8 - Colorado Rockies
9 - Winnipeg Jets
10 - Pittsburgh Penguins
11 - Detroit Red Wings
12 - Toronto Maple Leafs

It is much easier to decide who is last in each area than it is to decide who is first, and in most cases top to bottom isn't much of a spread.

The rankings don't figure for Detroit playing Orr 30+ minutes a game, which is the most likely strategy. Goal is the only area where I gave extra value to the starter over the backup.

Overall also doesn't fully account for any glaring weaknesses that might cripple a team, such as Quebec having a 5'7" defender, four 5'8" players, including a defender, and two 5'9" skaters, plus another handful under 6'. Kharlamov can skate like the wind and be a force on offense, but Clancy and Suchy are going to have trouble clearing the crease.

Is anybody else even making a stab at ranking the teams?

 

[Frightened Inmate #2]

I am going to put a list up in a week or so. its really tough because the comparing of different eras. I was usign the total hockey adjusted stats for a while but they are flawed to a certain degree.