All Things Pegula 2

[enthusiast]

Of course you aren’t bound by legal burdens of proof. But what you’re suggesting is accepting an allegation as true without waiting for any facts or evidence to come out, right? Which, why? I don’t get why people do that. That type of thinking will fail you quite a bit.

I may have totally misunderstood, but that’s the vibe I got from your posts. My point is none of us have any idea of what happened, and no facts or evidence has come out yet (if ever)

At the time, I was commenting on the relative meaninglessness of having anonymous sources, so the plausibility of the accusation/defense are really all we’ll ever have to reach a conclusion from. I’ll never say “he did it” or “he didn’t do it” unless the accuser recants or he admits, but “he probably did it” or “he probably didn’t” could both be reasonable conclusions given things one might know about the circumstances

We also don’t really have any stakes for reaching these conclusions whereas any fact finder on the case must be *very* sure they’ve done so for the best reasons

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

It seems a few things are at issue and could reasonable be verified or disproven:

1. Did the anonymous NFL Media Reporter tell Trotter and approximately 40 colleges on a zoom call that Pegula made that comment?
2. Did the NFL investigate the incident

There should be ample reporters to collaborate or dispute #1
There should be records related to #2

 

[Husko]

I've held jobs for over 40 years and over 30 years with my long-term employer. I would never bring an allegation against anyone, colleague, rival, or foe, which I didn't personally hear, witness, or be asked to participate in. And I wouldn't bring any second-hand situations either, and would counsel anyone who came to me with such stories or allegations of wrongdoing to be very clear of what is first-hand and second-hand knowledge / participation vs. hearsay. My employer's anonymous hotlines and direct reporting channels have similar guidelines.

But anyone can be sleazy not sleezy. (I'm being sarcastic about the spelling, not about the personal character of you / your colleagues.

FYI - can't remember if I ever PM'ed you, but my niece (from Oklahoma) graduated Vanderbilt law in May'23, interned with the Bronx PubDef office in 2022 summer, took the NYS bar in Buffalo end of July), and has a job with the Brooklyn PubDef office.

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To the board (Husko knows the following):
Remember, in the United States, the legal system is designed and hopefully administered so that guilty or not-fully-innocent people knowingly either go free, unpunished, or less severely punished to avoid the "worse sin" of convicting / punishing innocent people.

In quality control lingo, that's the difference between a Type 1 error / alpha risk vs. a type 2 error / beta risk. And the application of that in law is in some ways the opposite of what is done in manufacturing, medical field, etc. In manufacturing and medical field the approach is to knowingly throw away good product to avoid passing a defective or non-compliant product to the customer.

The American justice system (should by design) be willing to risk letting guilty people "go free" in order to avoid the worse error of convicting & punishing the innocent or less than fully guilty.

There's two public defenders in Brooklyn, and I work for one of them...

 

[HaNotsri]

I think the story is bullshit. The quote seems made up and goes against Pegula's character.

On top of the asians have to deal with an insane amount of shit in western society, I'm sure Terry is aware of how hurtful some words can be and that he wouldn't mirror that hurtful behaviour himself targeting a large part of a community he cares for deeply.

 

[5 Minute Major]

With the caveat of course that no one is obligated to apply the heightened legal protections for criminal defendants at risk of losing their liberty to folks being accused in the court of public opinion.

That said, we have no way of knowing the truth here, at least not now. Not giving this much thought now, because what's there even to do other than wildly speculate?

When people that were at the dinner have been interviewed and none of them claimed to heave heard Pegula say it, and Pegula himself said he didn’t say it, yes we have a way of knowing the truth.

 

[Ace]

Doesnt matter if you’re great at your job. Doesn’t matter if you’re his childhood hero. If a dollar can be saved…you gone.

 

[sabres4ever]

Not sure where to post this: Mods, please move to the appropriate thread.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Not sure where to post this: Mods, please move to the appropriate thread.

 

[Beerz]

Jesus... what the hell is the matter with people

 

[HOOats]

"Roth's gone? Quick, get Tatar's agent on the phone...Colorado? You're kidding me."

 

[Beerz]

Things can get real steamy when dealing with numbers...lol these beauties..

 

[Zman5778]

Jesus christ. F***ing keep it in your pants. I get that it's consensual and that.......but they HAD to know that boinking each other would get them fired.

 

[oldgoalie]

Jesus christ. F***ing keep it in your pants. I get that it's consensual and that.......but they HAD to know that boinking each other would get them fired.

especially with a leader screwing one of their team. what a bunch of assholes.

 

[Beerz]

Isn't this what happened to Russ Brandon?

 

[Ace]

What a hypocrite Terry is…serving as team President while in a relationship with the owner.

 

[EichHart]

Pegula is cheap lol

 

[Jim Bob]

Isn't this what happened to Russ Brandon?

Bills fire 2 execs for unethical romantic relationship: Sources

John Roth had been in his role less than three months; Kathryn D’Angelo was team's general counsel.

theathletic.com

Three sources with direct knowledge of the decision tell The Athletic that Roth and D’Angelo were in a romantic relationship, and the situation came to a head in London, where the Bills played the Jacksonville Jaguars in Tottenham Hotspur Stadium on Oct. 8.

The Bills’ front office structure was such that D’Angelo reported to owner Terry Pegula. However, Roth possessed superior titles. Roth recommended her promotion, two of the sources said. D’Angelo also was in charge of human resources. As such, the relationship was considered professionally unethical.

Josh Dziurlikowski, previously senior vice president of finance and business administration, will be interim COO, and longtime football operations adviser Jim Overdorf will be acting general counsel during the external search for replacements.

Wednesday’s development was reminiscent of the May 2018 departure of Bills/Sabres president and managing partner Russ Brandon, who resigned after an internal investigation confirmed inappropriate workplace relationships and other on-the-job issues.

And what happened with Brandon likely made the Pegulas even more sensitive to this sort of thing.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Does anyone have any idea how many Sabres games Pegulas has attended this year? Usually you see a shot of owner or GM in box on TV. I've rarely seen that. Does he ever attend games?

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

LOL wow...

 

[Chainshot]

I'm surprised there wasn't a broken cup holder or some bird shit in the box, just to make the arena experience closer to the mark.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I'm surprised there wasn't a broken cup holder or some bird shit in the box, just to make the arena experience closer to the mark.

Also, why have such a big box with such little stuff in it lol

 

[Chainshot]

Also, why have such a big box with such little stuff in it lol

Perhaps they drop shipped through Amazon?

It actually looks like the box would be big enough for a hoodie or some sort of adult-sized top (maybe even two). But instead, it's filled with a confirmation gift bag worth of stuff.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Perhaps they drop shipped through Amazon?

It actually looks like the box would be big enough for a hoodie or some sort of adult-sized top (maybe even two). But instead, it's filled with a confirmation gift bag worth of stuff.

First thing that came to mind when I saw that was "Why not just put it in a bag?" But to your point, I am sure they've used those boxes before and filled them with hoodies and such but that picture is a rough look

 

[KeyserSoze81]

LOL wow...

Nothing says we care like a $4.99 puzzle, a shitty $3.99 lapel pin, and a screen printed battery pack. The handouts at any business conference are 100x better. The large empty box is the most expensive item in that pack. Mega yikes.

 

[Jim Bob]

Pegula is cheap lol