All-Star voting records for defensemen (1930-31 to 1967-68)

[TheDevilMadeMe]

1930-31 to 1942-43

All Star voting record for the split LD/RD era.

See this thread for details on how these are calculated.

I'm going on the assumption that there was no point system used to determine the actual first and second team all stars, so there is no official ranking of defensemen from this time that can be used. Therefore, I'm creating my own ranking: 2 points for every 1st Team vote (RD or LD); 1 point for every 2nd Team vote (RD or LD).

One key change from the thread I linked: I decided to consistently apply my point system even in years where it differed from the actual named all star teams. This mainly affects one year, 1942:

1. Earl Seibert (18, 6)
2. Tom Anderson (13, 12)
3. Pat Egan (6, 4)
4. Bucko McDonald (3, 7)
5. Jack Crawford (6, 3)

McDonald was named 2nd Team All Star, seemingly because he got more total votes than Jack Crawford. But any weighted system that you can possibly come up with would rank Jack Crawford 4th in voting points, so that is how this system ranks him now.

The other year affected is 1933-34, when Earl Seibert and Eddie Shore tied in 1st and 2nd Team votes, and Shore was awarded the 2nd Team spot on a tiebreaker because he got more of his votes at RD. My system ranks both Seibert and Shore as 4th in AS voting for 1933-34.

Here are the results for the time period. I'm only noting a tie when it's a tie for first.

Minimum requirement: At least 2 total votes

Important note: There are inconsistencies in the records for 1934-35, so the rankings may change slightly if more sources are found.

Taffy Abel
30-31: 10th
31-32: 9th
32-33: 7th

Tom Anderson
41-42: 2nd

Ralph Bowman
34-35: 8th
38-39: 9th

Bill Byrdge
32-33: 6th

Marty Burke
31-32: 5th

Walt Buswell
35-36: 10th
37-38: 6th
38-39: 7th

King Clancy
30-31: 2nd
31-32: 3rd
32-33: 3rd
33-34: 1st(T)
34-35: 5th

Dit Clapper
37-38: 12th
38-39: 2nd
39-40: 1st
40-41: 1st
41-42: 6th
42-43: 6th

Joe Cooper
42-43: 13th

Art Coulter
34-35: 3rd
35-36: 7th
35-37: 8th
37-38: 3rd
38-39: 3rd
39-40: 3rd
40-41: 8th
41-42: 8th

Charlie Conacher
39-40: 6th

Lionel Conacher
32-33: 4th
33-34: 1st(T)
34-35: 8th
35-36: 8th
36-37: 4th

Jack Crawford
38-39: 8th
40-41: 8th
41-42: 4th*
42-43: 3rd

Hap Day
30-31: 8th
32-33: 5th
33-34: 6th
34-35: 5th

Red Dutton
30-31: 5th
31-32: 6th
33-34: 8th

Pat Egan
41-42: 3rd

Stewart Evans
37-38: 8th
38-39: 10th

Wilf Field
40-41: 7th

Jimmy Fowler
37-38: 6th

Ebbie Goodfellow
33-34: 10th
34-35: 5th
35-36: 3rd
36-37: 2nd
38-39: 8th
39-40: 2nd
40-41: 5th

Red Goupille
42-43: 13th

Ted Graham
30-31: 7th
32-33: 7th

Ott Heller
36-37: 6th
38-39: 7th
39-40: 5th
40-41: 4th
41-42: 10th

Lionel Hitchman
30-31: 5th
32-33: 10th

Flash Hollett
41-42: 11th
42-43: 3rd

Red Horner
33-34: 7th
34-35: 10th
36-37: 8th
37-38: 5th
38-39: 8th

Ching Johnson
30-31: 4th
31-32: 1st(T)
32-33: 2nd
33-34: 3rd
35-36: 6th

Bingo Kampman
39-40: 8th
40-41: 6th
41-42: 7th

Sylvio Mantha
30-31: 3rd
31-32: 4th
33-34: 8th

Bucko McDonald
36-37: 6th
41-42: 5th*

Allan Murray
37-38: 10th

Jimmy Orlando
42-43: 8th

George Owen
30-31: 9th

Jack Portland
37-38: 8th
38-39: 6th
42-43: 7th

Babe Pratt
39-40: 7th
41-42: 9th
42-43: 5th

Earl Seibert
31-32: 7th
32-33: 10th
33-34: 4th
34-35: 2nd
35-36: 4th
36-37: 3rd
37-38: 4th
38-39: 4th
39-40: 4th
40-41: 3rd
41-42: 1st
42-43: 2nd

Al Shields
32-33: 10th

Eddie Shore
30-31: 1st
31-32: 1st(T)
32-33: 1st
33-34: 4th
34-35: 1st
35-36: 1st
37-38: 1st
38-39: 1st

Babe Siebert
35-36: 2nd
36-37: 1st
37-38: 2nd
38-39: 5th

Des Smith
40-41: 10th

Wally Stanowski
40-41: 2nd

Jack Stewart
40-41: 10th
41-42: 12th
42-43: 1st

Cy Wentworth
30-31: 10th
31-32: 8th
34-35: 4th
35-36: 5th
36-37: 5th

Doug Young
32-33: 7th
35-36: 9th
37-38: 10th

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[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'm including all these years together, since each voting method was used for such a short period of time.

1943-44 to 45-46

Writers vote 1st and 2nd Team, weighted to give each city equal voting power

Minimum requirement:1 1st place vote, or 2 2nd place votes

1946-47 to 1949-50

6 NHL coaches voted, 3-2-1 format, coaches can't vote for own players

Minimum requirement: none. With only 5 possible votes per player, each vote counts a lot, and these are NHL coaches, not potentially homer writers.

Important note: We only have the top 6 for 48-49.

1950-51 to 1952-53

Writers vote 1st, 2nd, 3rd Team, 3-2-1 format, probably still weighted to give each city equal voting powers

Important note: We only have the top 4 for all three of these years (50-51, 51-52, 52-53).

Butch Bouchard
43-44: 3rd
44-45: 1st
45-46: 2nd
46-47: 2nd
47-48: 6th

Hy Buller
51-52: 3rd

Dit Clapper
43-44: 4th
44-45: 9th

Neil Colville
46-47: 6th
47-48: 4th

Jack Crawford
43-44: 6th
44-45: 6th
45-46: 1st
46-47: 5th
47-48: 7th

Bob Davidson
43-44: 9th

Frank Eddolls
44-45: 5th
47-48: 8th

Pat Egan
48-49: 5th

Fern Flaman
49-50: 8th

Bill Gadsby
52-53: 4th

Bob Goldham
45-46: 7th

Reg Hamilton
44-45: 10th

Glen Harmon
43-44: 11th
44-45: 4th
46-47: 8th
48-49: 3rd

Doug Harvey
51-52: 2nd
52-53: 2nd

Ott Heller
43-44: 10th

Murray Henderson
46-47: 9th

Flash Hollett
43-44: 5th
44-45: 2nd

Red Kelly
49-50: 4th
50-51: 1st
51-52: 1st
52-53: 1st

Leo Lamoureux
43-44: 13th
44-45: 8th
45-46: 6th

Gus Mortson
47-48: 8th
49-50: 1st

Babe Pratt
43-44: 1st
44-45: 3rd
45-46: 8th

Bill Quackenbush
43-44: 10th
45-46: 5th
46-47: 3rd
47-48: 1st
48-49: 1st
49-50: 7th
50-51: 2nd
52-53: 3rd

Ken Reardon
45-46: 3rd
46-47: 1st
47-48: 3rd
48-49: 4th
49-50: 2nd

Leo Reise
49-50: 3rd
50-51: 4th

Earl Seibert
43-44: 2nd
44-45: 7th

Cully Simon
43-44: 7th

Wally Stanowski
46-47: 6th

Jack Stewart
45-46: 4th
46-47: 3rd
47-48: 2nd
48-49: 2nd
49-50: 5th

Jim Thomson
47-48: 5th
48-49: 6th
49-50: 6th
50-51: 3rd
51-52: 4th

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

1953-54 to 1967-68

Separate votes for 1st and 2nd half of the season added together

Minimum requirement: at least 1 voting point.

Important note: We only have the top 5 for 54-55, 57-58, 58-59. We only have the top 7 for 59-60 and top 8 for 61-62. When a player received more than one Norris votes in a year in which we have incomplete All-Star records for him, I indicated his AS finish with a "?"

Bob Armstrong
53-54: 10th
55-56: 13th
56-57: 8th
59-60: 6th

Doug Barkley
62-63: 13th
63-64: 12th
64-65: 13th
65-66: 7th

Bob Baun
60-61: 15th
62-63: 9th
63-64: 5th
64-65: 8th

Gary Bergman
66-67: 10th
67-68: 8th

Leo Boivin
55-56: 11th
57-58: ?
60-61: 7th
61-62: ?
62-63: 15th
64-65: 10th
66-67: 12th

Hugh Bolton
54-55: 5th
55-56: 15th

Butch Bouchard
53-54: 8th

Carl Brewer
59-60: ?
60-61: 5th
61-62: 3rd
62-63: 2nd
63-64: 12th
64-65: 4th

Arnie Brown
66-67: 11th

Ken Douglas
62-63: 8th
65-66: 12th
67-68: 17th

Jack Evans
56-57: 13th
60-61: 13th
61-62: 5th

Fern Flaman
54-55: 4th
55-56: 6th
56-57: 3rd
57-58: 3rd
58-59: 5th

Lou Fontinato
62-63: 15th


Bill Gadsby
53-54: 3rd
55-56: 2nd
56-57: 4th
57-58: 2nd
58-59: 2nd
59-60: 8th
60-61: 13th
61-62: 7th
64-65: 3rd

Pete Goegan
60-61: 8th

Bob Goldham
53-54: 5th
54-55: 3rd
55-56: 8th

Walter Godfrey
60-61: 9th

Ted Green
64-65: 7th
65-66: 10th
67-68: 6th

Terry Harper
63-64: 7th
66-67: 6th
67-68: 16th

Ted Harris
65-66: 12th

Doug Harvey
53-54: 2nd
54-55: 1st
55-56: 1st
56-57: 1st
57-58: 1st
58-59: 4th
59-60: 1st
60-61: 1st
61-62: 1st
62-63: 10th

Larry Hillman
65-66: 12th

Wayne Hillman
62-63: 18th

Tim Horton
53-54: 4th
54-55: ?
61-62: ?
62-63: 3rd
63-64: 2nd
64-65: 9th
65-66: 8th
66-67: 3rd
67-68: 2nd

Harry Howell
55-56: 7th
60-61: 15th
62-63: 17th
63-64: 6th
64-65: 6th
65-66: 6th
66-67: 2nd
67-68: 11th

Doug Jarrett
66-67: 7th
67-68: 14th

Tom Johnson
53-54: 9th
55-56: 4th
56-57: 7th
57-58: ?
58-59: 1st
59-60: 5th
60-61: 6th
61-62: ?
63-64: 8th

Red Kelly
53-54: 1st
54-55: 2nd
55-56: 3rd
56-57: 2nd
57-58: ?

Albert Langlois
60-61: 10th
62-63: 13th

Jacques Laperriere
63-64: 4th
64-65: 2nd
65-66: 1st
66-67: 9th
67-68: 7th

Al MacNeil
62-63: 18th
63-64: 9th

Gilles Marotte
64-65: 11th
66-67: 14th
67-68: 15th

Frank Martin
55-56: 9th

Mike McMahon
67-68: 11th

Doug Mohns
56-57: 5th
59-60: ?
60-61: 11th
61-62: 7th
62-63: 10th

Jim Morrison
55-56: 5th
56-57: 13th

Gus Mortson
53-54: 7th
55-56: 13th
56-56: 9th

Jim Neilson
66-67: 14th
67-68: 4th

Bobby Orr
66-67: 4th
67-68: 1st

Pierre Pilote
56-57: 11th
57-58: ?
58-59: ?
59-60: 4th
60-61: 4th
61-62: 4th
62-63: 1st
63-64: 1st
64-65: 1st
65-66: 2nd
66-67: 1st
67-68: 5th

Marcel Pronovost
55-56: 11th
56-57: 6th
57-58: 4th
58-59: 3rd
59-60: 2nd
60-61: 2nd
61-62: 8th
62-63: 6th
63-64: 14th
64-65: 5th

Matt Ravlich
64-65: 15th
65-66: 9th

Leo Reise
54-54: 11th

Dale Rolph
67-68: 16th

Dallas Smith
67-68: 16th

Dollard St-Laurent
55-56: 15th
57-58: ?

Allan Stanley
55-56: 10th
56-57: 9th
59-60: 3rd
60-61: 3rd
61-62: 6th
63-64: 15th
64-65: 14th
65-66: 3rd

Pat Stapleton
65-66: 4th
66-67: 8th
67-68: 13th

Ron Stewart
57-58: 5th

Jean-Guy Talbot
61-62: 2nd
62-63: 5th
63-64: 11th

Jim Thomson
53-54: 6th
56-57: 12th

J.C. Tremblay
62-63: 12th
63-64: 10th
64-65: 10th
65-66: 5th
66-67: 5th
67-68: 3rd

Ed Van Impe
66-67: 12th
67-68: 9th

Elmer Vasko
60-61: 11th
61-62: ?
62-63: 4th
63-64: 3rd
64-65: 12th

Joe Watson
66-67: 16th

Bill White
67-68: 8th

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I NEVER FINISHED THIS SECTION: HOCKEY-REFERENCE.COM NOW CONTAINS MOSTLY COMPLETE RECORDS OF MODERN SEASONS

1968-69 to 2011-12

Edit:
Writers vote 1st, 2nd, 3rd Team All Star at the end of the season

I'll slowly add names to this list at my leisure and let you all know when it's done. DONE = every defenseman who got multiple votes in any year through 69-70.

Al Arbour
68-69: 5th
69-70: 5th

Bob Baun
68-69: 11th
69-70: 17th
70-71: 8th

Gary Bergman
68-69: 15th
69-71: 11th
71-72: 8th
72-73: 8th

Carl Brewer
69-70: 3rd

Arnie Brown
69-70: 17th

Wayne Connelly
69-70: 15th

Ted Green
68-69: 3rd

Ted Harris
68-69: 4th
70-71: 11th
71-72: 7th

Larry Hillman
69-70: 14th

Tim Horton
68-69: 2nd
70-71: 14th
72-73: 14th

Harry Howell
69-70: 17th

Doug Jarrett
69-70: 11th

Terry Harper
69-70: 17th
72-73: 10th
73-74: 13th
74-75: 9th
75-76: 15th
77-78: 13th

Jim Neilson
68-69: 6th
69-70: 6th
70-71: 9th
71-72: 14th

Jacques Laperriere
68-69: 10th
69-70: 4th
70-71: 12th
71-72: 19th
72-73: 5th
73-74: 13th

Keith Magnuson
69-70: 8th
70-71: 5th
72-73: 12th

Doug Mohns
69-70: 10th
71-72: 16th

Bobby Orr
68-69: 1st
69-70: 1st
70-71: 1st
71-72: 1st
72-73: 1st
73-74: 1st
74-75: 1st
75-76: 21st

Brad Park
68-69: 13th
69-70: 2nd
70-71: 2nd
71-72: 2nd
72-73: 3rd
73-74: 2nd
74-75: 5th
75-76: 2nd
76-77: 6th
77-78: 2nd
78-79: 8th
80-81: 12th
81-82: 15th
82-83: 19th

Noel Picard
68-69: 15th

Barclay Plager
68-69: 13th
69-70: 9th
70-71: 16th
72-73: 17th
73-74: 13th

Jim Roberts
70-71: 14th

Serge Savard
69-70: 12th
72-73: 6th
74-75: 6th
75-76: 5th
76-77: 5th
77-78: 5th
78-79: 4th
79-80: 18th
80-81: 25th
81-82: 18th

Rod Seiling
69-70: 17th
70-71: 10th
71-72: 8th
72-73: 7th

Dallas Smith
70-71: 5th
71-72: 6th
72-73: 9th
73-74: 19th
75-76: 23rd

Pat Stapleton
68-69: 12th
69-70: 7th
70-71: 4th
71-72: 4th
72-73: 13th

Dave Tallon
70-71: 16th
71-72: 19th

J.C. Tremblay
68-69: 8th
70-71: 2nd
71-72: 5th

Carol Vadnais
68-69: 9th
69-70: 17th
71-72: 10th
73-74: 6th
74-75: 7th
75-76: 9th

Ed Van Impe
68-69: 15th
73-74: 11th
74-75: 18th

Bill White
68-69: 7th
69-70: 17th
70-71: 6th
71-72: 3rd
72-73: 4th
73-74: 3rd
74-75: 7th
75-76: 19th

Bob Woytowich
69-70: 23rd

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Everything we have from 1930-31 to 1967-68 is included in either Post 1, 2, or 3 of this thread. I may or may not get around to compiling the voting records from the modern voting system that has been in place since 1968-69.

We have complete records for every year but 1948-49 (top 6), 1950-51 (top 4), 1951-52 (top 4), 1952-53 (top 4), 1954-55 (top 5), 1957-58 (top 5), 1958-59 (top 5), 1959-60 (top 7), and 1961-62 (top 8).

If using these threads to find the complete record for a defenseman, remember that if his career spans more than the time period covered by one of the posts, his might have votes that aren't taken into account by that post.

 

[Sturminator]

This is great work, TDMM. It might also be useful to work out some system for how we should handle all-star game appearances for the years without complete AST voting records.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

This is great work, TDMM. It might also be useful to work out some system for how we should handle all-star game appearances for the years without complete AST voting records.

I think it might be useful to figure out exactly how the ASGs were selected in every year and compile a list every ASG every defenseman played in - but that's a huge project itself.

As for what you're saying, that would only apply to 1949, 1951, 1952, and 1953, correct?

It's relatively easy to assume when a guy got Norris votes that he'd probably also get AS votes since it was the same group of voters and they got to put more names on the AS ballots than the Norris ballots. I think it's something of a reach to assume that playing in an All Star game would necessarily mean Post-season All-Star votes in the same year, but it might be more reasonable than the alternative - ignoring lesser star defensemen in those 4 years entirely.