Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

[IDvsEGO]

100 points low end is a bit aggressive. 80 is the low end imo

Not what I meant.

if we're talking about what his peak could be. Someone was implying his peak would be 100 pts.
Im saying I think thats low. 80 pts is basically what his season would've looked like this year if he had pp time.
And he's going to continue growing and getting better.
100 pts in his absolute prime, would be the low end of prime with pp1 time (assuming it stays this effective)

 

[UnSandvich]

Why didn't he have more 5 on 5 assists than Panarin then?

Because Panarin had twice as many secondary assists. Laf had more primary, as did Trocheck.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Because Panarin had twice as many secondary assists. Laf had more primary, as did Trocheck.

Is that luck or a function of something else like puck possession?

 

[GENESISPuck94]

PDOcast did a deep dive podcast on Laf. i nearly cried. it was such a validation of the support many of us have shown him over the last 4 years.

btw to everyone who said he was dogshit when quinn and gallant absolutely manacled his offensive confidence and production, and insist it was hindsight, you're straight up wrong. some of us saw it and believed.

I got shit for years defending Laf.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I got shit for years defending Laf.

Same, and Im getting shit for defending Kakko. Theres a reason both were top 2 picks.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I mean a lot of us were saying let him touch the puck, they still won't really let him because they won't put him on the powerplay, but at least with Panarin he gets more touches at 5v5 and has learned how to be an ES beast (offensively anyway).
In the pod they even talk about how Bedard touches the puck 100s of times per game in Chicago because they are so trash he can do literally whatever he wants.


If we had drafted Bedard he would be struggling right now. Guaranteed.

Said this for years. Used Hughes as an example. His rookie season Jack was awful at NHL hockey but the Devils didn't care and they kept throwing him on the ice in every situation to let him fail and learn and gain his confidence. He looked like a 12 year old kid if you saw him live. But he had the undeniable skills.

Fast forward a few years and Hughes is one of the best players in the league. One of the most dangerous offensive players in the league.

Laf could have and should have been at that level right now but this organization castrated him on his way through the door and Quinn and Gallant were the biggest culprits, as well as Drury for allowing it to happen.

Laf should have been stapled to PP1 and Panarin from day one. Had he been on PP1 this season from the start he'd have been an 80+ point player this season.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Same, and Im getting shit for defending Kakko. Theres a reason both were top 2 picks.

Its Kakko's own fault for not putting up big numbers being centered by Bordzinski and Wennebum

 

[mas0764]

Not what I meant.

if we're talking about what his peak could be. Someone was implying his peak would be 100 pts.
Im saying I think thats low. 80 pts is basically what his season would've looked like this year if he had pp time.
And he's going to continue growing and getting better.
100 pts in his absolute prime, would be the low end of prime with pp1 time (assuming it stays this effective)

Let’s tap the breaks there a tad.

 

[jay from jersey]

Not what I meant.

if we're talking about what his peak could be. Someone was implying his peak would be 100 pts.
Im saying I think thats low. 80 pts is basically what his season would've looked like this year if he had pp time.
And he's going to continue growing and getting better.
100 pts in his absolute prime, would be the low end of prime with pp1 time (assuming it stays this effective)

70-90pts with 1 PP time should be where he settles in I imagine.

If he is a PPG RW and plays the way he does now, that’s a home run as far as I’m concerned…
He’s an underrated passer as well. He might not have a lot of years left with bread, but he will with Fox and hopefully Perrault…
Fox getting him room while he lines up above the circle while the other team is down a man……. He should clean up in that situation. His wrist shot is top end and so is his passing….

It wouldn’t surprise me to ever see him hit 100pts, but I doubt he’ll do it with regularity. I hope I’m wrong tbh….

I’m dying to see him for 1.30 sec a night on 1PP with talent around him. Especially with the way he picks corners

 

[IDvsEGO]

70-90pts with 1 PP time should be where he settles in I imagine.

If he is a PPG RW and plays the way he does now, that’s a home run as far as I’m concerned…
He’s an underrated passer as well. He might not have a lot of years left with bread, but he will with Fox and hopefully Perrault…
Fox getting him room while he lines up above the circle while the other team is down a man……. He should clean up in that situation. His wrist shot is top end and so is his passing….

It wouldn’t surprise me to ever see him hit 100pts, but I doubt he’ll do it with regularity. I hope I’m wrong tbh

He's D+4 right now, 22-23, Matthews at was around 1.05 ppg,
Mackinnon was worse at .75ppg.

Thats the tier he was drafted at. This season we're all saying he would've easily been 70-85 pts had he been on PP1. But looking at the missed plays/posts/huge saves by goalies, he could've been at 70 points without PP1.

Thats a 100pt season with pp1.

So then take some growth on top of that and you get 120ish...

 

[Harbour Dog]

Wasn't Laf considered a tier below Mackinnon and Matthews? I don't remember ever thinking of him in that vein.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wasn't Laf considered a tier below Mackinnon and Matthews? I don't remember ever thinking of him in that vein.

No, at draft. He was considered just below the Crosby and mcdavid(their pre draft rankings), and in the Matthews and McKinnon tier.
Obviously things change once you look at post draft. But that’s where he was.

 

[Harbour Dog]

No, at draft. He was considered just below the Crosby and mcdavid(their pre draft rankings), and in the Matthews and McKinnon tier.
Obviously things change once you look at post draft. But that’s where he was.

A little searching seems to indicate that you're right. I know I personally had him a notch below those two on draft day; thought it was more of a consensus than it actually was.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

No, at draft. He was considered just below the Crosby and mcdavid(their pre draft rankings), and in the Matthews and McKinnon tier.
Obviously things change once you look at post draft. But that’s where he was.

All NYR fans are long past the pont where we expect any forward we draft to be a class below his projection because we drafted him

If we got Hughes, I would expect him to be about a 55 point player right now

#BlackThumb

 

[Hug Ben Laf]

Laffy stepping up his physical game in the playoff so far, nice forechecks

 

[zlev]

that hit was badass

 

[2014nyr]

PDOcast did a deep dive podcast on Laf. i nearly cried. it was such a validation of the support many of us have shown him over the last 4 years.

btw to everyone who said he was dogshit when quinn and gallant absolutely manacled his offensive confidence and production, and insist it was hindsight, you're straight up wrong. some of us saw it and believed.

the only thing better than watching laf bend teams over no spit no lube all year is it validating the people with functional brains who have been telling the bellends hating on him for years that he was the real deal and it was very obvious if you knew what you were watching.

 

[Peltz]

I thought this was his best playoff game in his career so far.

 

[markymarc1215]

He was terrific today as he's been most of the season. And to think this year started with him being in HF insane trade rumors for the likes of Josh Anderson and a 2nd round pick.

He'll continue to grow into his body, gain more confidence, and improve again next year.

 

[Rythashocka]

Playoff Laf, is the best Laf. God damn this kid is gonna be a menace in a couple years. So glad he didn't get moved.

 

[Black Tank]

Star players that play a heavy hard hitting game in the POs usually end up helping their team win the Cup. I want KK to find this inner nastiness as well now that every shift matters.

 

[Levitate]

Devils fans on the main board thread crying that hit should have been a penalty
Cmon

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Devils fans on the main board thread crying that hit should have been a penalty
Cmon

It's Devils fans, what do you expect? Lol

 

[Machinehead]

That hit yesterday was better than any goal he's scored. The play of his career so far.

That's the swagger and complete level they told us about.

 

[jay from jersey]

Devils fans on the main board thread crying that hit should have been a penalty
Cmon

What do you expect? They have been condition all year watching soft hockey.

They think a pillow fight is too aggressive at this point