Boston Bruins Advanced Stat Thread

[NDiesel]

Some people do track it under the current limitations.

NHL Player Statistics -Advanced Stats has shooting talent stats in the very last columns of the spreadsheet.

Just keep in mind his definitions:



Another example:



The finishing impact on goal odds is also shooting talent.

Appreciate you sharing this, I'm going to check it out a bit more when I have some more time to spare

 

[goldnblack]

Guess we're seeing where the limitations are with advanced stats. Numbers only, Gryz is an easy start yesterday. But the guy coach wants and needs in that spot is Forbort (despite the advanced stats).

 

[NDiesel]

Guess we're seeing where the limitations are with advanced stats. Numbers only, Gryz is an easy start yesterday. But the guy coach wants and needs in that spot is Forbort (despite the advanced stats).

In fairness to the guys in this thread who don't like Forbort, he was a turnover machine in their own end, probably made worse by how rusty he was.

 

[GatorMike]

Guess we're seeing where the limitations are with advanced stats. Numbers only, Gryz is an easy start yesterday. But the guy coach wants and needs in that spot is Forbort (despite the advanced stats).

Forbort was terrible last night.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

The entire D was not so hot, everyone one of them where turning pucks over. Worrying about a third pair D is a luxury. If I was concerned with a D man it would have been Lindholm. HE was terrible and slow to boot.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Guess we're seeing where the limitations are with advanced stats. Numbers only, Gryz is an easy start yesterday. But the guy coach wants and needs in that spot is Forbort (despite the advanced stats).

How badly has this topic eaten away at you that you felt the need to make this post?

And you didn't even wait for a good example. Forbort was ass last night.

 

[PB37]

Guess we're seeing where the limitations are with advanced stats. Numbers only, Gryz is an easy start yesterday. But the guy coach wants and needs in that spot is Forbort (despite the advanced stats).

" Derek Forbort returned to the lineup after missing a month with a lower-body injury. Matt Grzelcyk was a healthy scratch on the back end. "Well, Forby's so good at a D-zone coverage and his penalty kill, and he showed that today," said Montgomery. "And down the stretch there with the last 4-5 minutes, he's out there with [Brandon] Carlo killing a lot of important minutes for us, especially in a pulled-goalie situation."

Coach gave Forbort's performance a thumbs up.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

" Derek Forbort returned to the lineup after missing a month with a lower-body injury. Matt Grzelcyk was a healthy scratch on the back end. "Well, Forby's so good at a D-zone coverage and his penalty kill, and he showed that today," said Montgomery. "And down the stretch there with the last 4-5 minutes, he's out there with [Brandon] Carlo killing a lot of important minutes for us, especially in a pulled-goalie situation."

Coach gave Forbort's performance a thumbs up.

What does he know?

 

[goldnblack]

The best is the couch crew second guessing the Jack Adams coach. But I guess that's sports. We all do it sometimes.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I like how in one thread we talk about how many "mind games" coaches play in the playoffs, but here we fully believe Gryz is a healthy scratch just because it fits the narrative we want.

 

[ODAAT]

Forbort was terrible last night.

looked like a guy who hadn`t played in a long while

 

[quietbruinfan]

All other things being even, meaning both Forbort and Grz are going to struggle with their forecheck, I would much rather have Grz and his quickness and instincts out there.

 

[McGarnagle]

I'm conflicted

Gryz is much better than Forbort overall, but I really don't like the idea of putting a Gryz-Clifton pairing out in the playoffs to get taken advantage of by bigger forwards. But Orlov's gelled with McAvoy on the top pair and Monty's not taking him off that to play 3rd pair with Cliffy.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

LOL

 

[LouJersey]

While I feel Forbort should be the odd man out why is there so much butthurt that Grizz is a scratch? They have continually tried to replace him with bigger defensemen and obviously don’t get all caught up in these analytics. I guess they use them to a point?

When you have orlov and Lindholm there to kill penalties it baffles me why you would sit a far superior 5v5 player in Grizz who generates a shitload of offense and chances.

 

[LouJersey]

I like how in one thread we talk about how many "mind games" coaches play in the playoffs, but here we fully believe Gryz is a healthy scratch just because it fits the narrative we want.

Montgomery seems to have summed it up. I don’t get it either but is what it is I guess

 

[JoeIsAStud]

While I feel Forbort should be the odd man out why is there so much butthurt that Grizz is a scratch? They have continually tried to replace him with bigger defensemen and obviously don’t get all caught up in these analytics. I guess they use them to a point?

When you have orlov and Lindholm there to kill penalties it baffles me why you would sit a far superior 5v5 player in Grizz who generated a shitload of offense and chances.

Well to some degree have Forbort allows you to reduce some of the high stress load of penalty killing on Lindholm/Orlov, allowing them to contribute more in other areas.

I thought the Cliffy/Gryz pairing was pretty awful down the stretch of the season

 

[LouJersey]

Well to some degree have Forbort allows you to reduce some of the high stress load of penalty killing on Lindholm/Orlov, allowing them to contribute more in other areas.

I thought the Cliffy/Gryz pairing was pretty awful down the stretch of the season

I agree. You can’t play them together and Montgomery seems to have huge reservations allowing Grizz to play top 4 playoff minutes for whatever reason.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I agree. You can’t play them together and Montgomery seems to have huge reservations allowing Grizz to play top 4 playoff minutes for whatever reason.

As did the previous coach.

Honestly I want my 4 best to play the majority of the minutes in postseason, and that means
Orlov/McAvoy
Lindholm/Carlo

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I agree. You can’t play them together and Montgomery seems to have huge reservations allowing Grizz to play top 4 playoff minutes for whatever reason.

Realistically, you can’t really play Forbort/Clifton together either if we’re being objective. Forbort was bad last night - again - coachspeak notwithstanding.

I’m not butthurt he’s not playing I just think it’s the wrong move. Forbort playing over Grizz doesn’t change my opinion that he’s not a good defenseman even if (and to some degree because of) he gets hit with pucks a lot.

 

[goldnblack]

Well to some degree have Forbort allows you to reduce some of the high stress load of penalty killing on Lindholm/Orlov, allowing them to contribute more in other areas.

I thought the Cliffy/Gryz pairing was pretty awful down the stretch of the season

The minutes last night prove just this. Hampus only needed to play 20 mins. Pretty reasonable for a game that was close the whole way.

Forbort was up over 17 mins.

Btw if the only measure is the 2 giveaways Forbort had, sure, he played "bad". But the work he did all night in front of the Bruins net was pretty spectacular. The Panthers attacked that area ferociously and we needed his push back. A lot of pucks that could have been rebounds or tips were cleared out. That adds up. So do his blocks.

I guess by game 3-4 we'll see how coach adjusts. My guess is Forbort goes again tomorrow.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

The minutes last night prove just this. Hampus only needed to play 20 mins. Pretty reasonable for a game that was close the whole way.

Forbort was up over 17 mins.

Hampus had his worst game I can remember as a Bruin. Most likely under the weather. So sure I guess in this situation Forbort could take his PK minutes. I don’t think that’s a good play usually, and I think Forbort playing 17 minutes is a terrible thing.

 

[PlayMakers]

Fwiw, Forbort was on the ice for 3 shots for, 9 shots against. Not that that tells the whole story.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The minutes last night prove just this. Hampus only needed to play 20 mins. Pretty reasonable for a game that was close the whole way.

Forbort was up over 17 mins.

Btw if the only measure is the 2 giveaways Forbort had, sure, he played "bad". But the work he did all night in front of the Bruins net was pretty spectacular. The Panthers attacked that area ferociously and we needed his push back. A lot of pucks that could have been rebounds or tips were cleared out. That adds up. So do his blocks.

I guess by game 3-4 we'll see how coach adjusts. My guess is Forbort goes again tomorrow.

Then Orlov and McAvoy were even worse. And everyone agrees that Lindholm had a bad game.

So, thank God for Ullmark.

 

[goldnblack]

Only Bruin with more short handed time in that game than Forbort, was Carlo.

Charlie and Hampus only needed 40s of SH time each. Forbort is going to be a PK minute eater, and the PK certainly didn't look worse for it.