Sturminator
Love is a duel
Ok, well I have decided to expand the study a bit to achieve some kind of a better overview. Thus far, I have worked through all of the post-expansion ATD wings selected between the 3rd and 18th rounds (well, mostly just wings - I have quite selfishly added the lower line centers who I currently own, Bobby Smith was already in, and for some reason I did the numbers for MacTavish), and I am stopping there, for now. The table is sorted by 10 season weighted average. Here it is:
Player|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|
Total
Jarome Iginla|85|83|76|71|68|65|58|58|58|54| 68.7
John Leclair|93|86|81|73|70|65|56|54|42|40| 68
Luc Robitaille|74|73|71|70|70|68|64|63|59|54| 67.3
Mark Recchi|75|74|74|66|65|64|61|59|58|58| 66.1
Brett Hull|88|67|66|66|64|62|62|60|56|55| 65.3
Martin St. Louis|78|73|70|70|68|67|65|62|48|38| 65.2
Theo Fleury|83|69|67|66|65|62|58|58|52|46| 63.6
Ken Hodge|103|84|74|59|55|55|52|43|39|36| 61.9
Ilya Kovalchuk|72|72|70|67|60|59|56|54|47|47| 61.5
Paul Kariya|73|71|70|65|63|60|58|51|46|42| 61.2
Keith Tkachuk|75|70|63|62|62|59|58|54|50|48| 60.9
Daniel Alfredsson|74|72|64|61|61|58|56|52|51|50| 60.7
Alex Mogilny|83|76|70|63|61|54|52|47|43|43| 60.6
Pavel Bure|88|76|75|66|63|57|48|46|42|23| 60.5
Marian Hossa|66|65|62|62|59|58|58|55|55|49| 59.5
Tony Amonte|72|68|66|64|60|55|52|51|48|48| 59.4
Dany Heatley|79|75|73|65|62|62|57|41|39|18| 59.3
Patrik Elias|83|78|59|55|55|53|52|50|49|48| 59.1
Pavol Demitra|79|76|64|63|52|51|50|46|46|44| 58.3
Vincent Damphousse|63|63|63|60|57|57|55|52|52|48| 57.6
Michel Goulet|77|72|59|56|54|53|52|49|46|44| 57.1
Markus Naslund|80|77|66|55|52|48|46|45|43|41| 56.6
Brendan Shanahan|69|57|56|56|56|55|54|53|53|51| 56.3
Steve Shutt|86|67|62|62|58|56|51|38|35|28| 56.1
Glenn Anderson|68|65|63|61|57|56|47|46|44|42| 56
Peter Bondra|70|62|61|58|56|52|52|48|47|38| 55.4
Wayne Cashman|78|75|58|58|55|55|43|40|39|37| 55.2
Ziggy Palffy|73|72|64|58|55|54|44|41|40|28| 54.5
Marian Gaborik|76|70|67|56|54|53|43|40|39|31| 54.5
Dino Ciccarelli|64|58|57|54|54|52|52|51|48|46| 54.1
Gary Roberts|71|63|58|55|53|50|48|47|45|42| 54
Mike Gartner|62|57|56|56|55|53|50|48|46|46| 53.5
Glen Murray|84|73|63|56|52|41|41|34|34|34| 52.9
Patrick Marleau|65|57|54|53|52|52|48|47|47|46| 52.6
Yvan Cournoyer|68|64|57|56|49|48|46|44|43|42| 52.6
Rick Middleton|66|59|58|55|54|53|48|44|40|38| 52.5
Steve Thomas|73|60|52|51|50|49|48|48|46|41| 52.4
Bill Guerin|72|65|61|56|51|47|41|41|39|38| 52.3
Dave Taylor|66|62|60|53|50|47|45|44|44|42| 52.2
Bobby Smith|66|61|57|52|50|49|46|44|41|37| 51.2
Rick Tocchet|63|58|57|53|51|47|44|44|43|42| 51
Shane Doan|57|57|55|52|50|49|48|47|47|42| 50.9
Lanny McDonald|62|58|57|54|53|49|45|44|38|38| 50.8
Pat Verbeek|57|53|52|52|50|49|46|45|44|43| 49.6
John Tonelli|64|63|53|49|48|46|44|42|40|38| 49.6
Rick Martin|65|57|57|57|49|48|46|44|36|18| 49.2
Dave Andreychuk|59|55|50|50|49|48|44|43|43|42| 48.8
Brian Propp|56|56|53|51|49|49|46|42|40|38| 48.7
Kevin Stevens|85|65|51|49|46|39|38|34|34|32| 48.6
John MacLean|56|54|53|53|49|45|45|43|40|40| 48.5
Steve Larmer|59|59|55|51|50|42|41|40|39|39| 48.4
Tom Lysiak|59|57|52|49|47|45|44|43|41|38| 48.2
Owen Nolan|60|52|52|49|47|46|43|41|41|38| 47.6
Jean Pronovost|65|56|50|48|46|44|42|41|41|35| 47.6
Danny Gare|60|59|58|53|52|45|42|42|26|21| 47.4
Simon Gagne|67|66|56|54|51|43|32|30|27|25| 46.9
Vic Hadfield|79|53|48|46|45|43|39|36|33|33| 46.5
Craig Ramsay|63|57|50|49|45|43|42|40|38|27| 46.4
Bill Barber|67|50|49|48|43|41|41|41|39|37| 46.3
Kirk Muller|63|59|56|49|48|40|38|35|32|28| 46.1
J.P. Parise|69|60|46|46|45|43|41|40|30|30| 46.1
Terry O'Reilly|68|61|51|48|46|39|36|34|33|27| 45.6
Wilf Paiement|56|53|53|52|44|41|40|39|35|31| 45.4
Don Luce|60|59|56|51|48|42|39|37|22|21| 45.1
Brenden Morrow|59|58|51|50|48|41|38|31|30|24| 44.4
Rene Robert|59|54|54|52|50|46|37|35|18|18| 44
Reggie Leach|70|58|57|39|37|35|33|33|32|30| 43.6
Fred Stanfield|59|58|52|50|48|39|34|31|30|12| 43
Trevor Linden|56|54|47|42|40|39|37|36|36|34| 42.8
Brian Rolston|55|50|45|41|41|40|39|39|36|34| 42.6
Charlie Simmer|59|59|56|47|45|39|34|27|24|16| 42.4
Clark Gillies|59|58|53|47|37|35|34|33|26|24| 42
Kevin Dineen|51|50|50|43|43|37|35|35|33|31| 41.6
Claude Lemieux|50|46|46|45|39|39|39|37|34|34| 41.5
Bob Nystrom|53|50|43|43|39|39|37|36|35|34| 41.5
Mario Tremblay|52|49|48|44|43|40|39|34|28|28| 41.5
Mel Bridgman|53|50|47|40|39|39|37|37|36|28| 41.3
Ross Lonsberry|48|42|41|39|39|38|38|38|36|34| 39.6
Brian Sutter|57|47|46|43|41|41|41|26|24|16| 39.5
Adam Graves|50|47|45|45|40|38|34|30|27|27| 39.3
Tim Kerr|66|56|56|44|34|33|28|27|16|13| 39.2
Esa Tikkanen|60|50|50|44|38|36|31|27|24|17| 39.2
Wendell Clark|48|47|44|44|43|36|35|29|28|26| 39
Jere Lehtinen|55|45|44|41|39|38|36|31|27|23| 38.9
Bobby Schmautz|57|46|42|42|40|37|36|27|26|23| 38.6
Don Marcotte|61|48|45|41|37|36|31|27|24|20| 38.2
Gregg Sheppard|57|49|45|43|43|40|29|23|19|16| 38
Troy Murray|63|51|41|36|34|31|30|28|24|24| 37.2
Yvon Lambert|49|48|46|42|39|38|34|26|17|0| 35.7
Dirk Graham|54|44|39|33|33|31|31|31|29|20| 35.3
Kelly Miller|47|37|37|34|34|34|31|30|29|28| 34.6
Bob Gainey|35|35|34|34|32|32|31|26|24|24| 31.2
Craig MacTavish|38|35|31|31|31|27|26|26|25|24| 29.8
Jan Erixon|24|23|23|23|22|17|16|14|14|13| 19.4
I have also added Glen Murray and Steve Thomas, both players who I knew were much better even-strength producers than is generally credited here. As always, there are qualifiers, provisos and caveats with many of these players, but I think this data is a step forward in terms of dividing the players somewhat by skillset, rather than viewing scoring as a sort of homogenous mass, as we have long done in the ATD.
Well, have at it. I am going to take a break from doing more numbers for now, but anyone who wants to help me by either checking the numbers or running more, feel free to PM me, and I will update the table, as appropriate. Also, please note that these are all numbers from overpass' spreadsheet. I round all the AESP numbers to integers, and this can cause small differences in the calculations.
Again, the formula for the weighting of the seasons is: 18, 19, 20, 19, 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13...and then the whole thing divided by 169.
note: I have excluded the following players due to incomplete data: Rod Gilbert, Mats Naslund, B-A Gustafson, John McKenzie, Rick Nash (working on his 10th season now).
Jarome Iginla|85|83|76|71|68|65|58|58|58|54| 68.7
John Leclair|93|86|81|73|70|65|56|54|42|40| 68
Luc Robitaille|74|73|71|70|70|68|64|63|59|54| 67.3
Mark Recchi|75|74|74|66|65|64|61|59|58|58| 66.1
Brett Hull|88|67|66|66|64|62|62|60|56|55| 65.3
Martin St. Louis|78|73|70|70|68|67|65|62|48|38| 65.2
Theo Fleury|83|69|67|66|65|62|58|58|52|46| 63.6
Ken Hodge|103|84|74|59|55|55|52|43|39|36| 61.9
Ilya Kovalchuk|72|72|70|67|60|59|56|54|47|47| 61.5
Paul Kariya|73|71|70|65|63|60|58|51|46|42| 61.2
Keith Tkachuk|75|70|63|62|62|59|58|54|50|48| 60.9
Daniel Alfredsson|74|72|64|61|61|58|56|52|51|50| 60.7
Alex Mogilny|83|76|70|63|61|54|52|47|43|43| 60.6
Pavel Bure|88|76|75|66|63|57|48|46|42|23| 60.5
Marian Hossa|66|65|62|62|59|58|58|55|55|49| 59.5
Tony Amonte|72|68|66|64|60|55|52|51|48|48| 59.4
Dany Heatley|79|75|73|65|62|62|57|41|39|18| 59.3
Patrik Elias|83|78|59|55|55|53|52|50|49|48| 59.1
Pavol Demitra|79|76|64|63|52|51|50|46|46|44| 58.3
Vincent Damphousse|63|63|63|60|57|57|55|52|52|48| 57.6
Michel Goulet|77|72|59|56|54|53|52|49|46|44| 57.1
Markus Naslund|80|77|66|55|52|48|46|45|43|41| 56.6
Brendan Shanahan|69|57|56|56|56|55|54|53|53|51| 56.3
Steve Shutt|86|67|62|62|58|56|51|38|35|28| 56.1
Glenn Anderson|68|65|63|61|57|56|47|46|44|42| 56
Peter Bondra|70|62|61|58|56|52|52|48|47|38| 55.4
Wayne Cashman|78|75|58|58|55|55|43|40|39|37| 55.2
Ziggy Palffy|73|72|64|58|55|54|44|41|40|28| 54.5
Marian Gaborik|76|70|67|56|54|53|43|40|39|31| 54.5
Dino Ciccarelli|64|58|57|54|54|52|52|51|48|46| 54.1
Gary Roberts|71|63|58|55|53|50|48|47|45|42| 54
Mike Gartner|62|57|56|56|55|53|50|48|46|46| 53.5
Glen Murray|84|73|63|56|52|41|41|34|34|34| 52.9
Patrick Marleau|65|57|54|53|52|52|48|47|47|46| 52.6
Yvan Cournoyer|68|64|57|56|49|48|46|44|43|42| 52.6
Rick Middleton|66|59|58|55|54|53|48|44|40|38| 52.5
Steve Thomas|73|60|52|51|50|49|48|48|46|41| 52.4
Bill Guerin|72|65|61|56|51|47|41|41|39|38| 52.3
Dave Taylor|66|62|60|53|50|47|45|44|44|42| 52.2
Bobby Smith|66|61|57|52|50|49|46|44|41|37| 51.2
Rick Tocchet|63|58|57|53|51|47|44|44|43|42| 51
Shane Doan|57|57|55|52|50|49|48|47|47|42| 50.9
Lanny McDonald|62|58|57|54|53|49|45|44|38|38| 50.8
Pat Verbeek|57|53|52|52|50|49|46|45|44|43| 49.6
John Tonelli|64|63|53|49|48|46|44|42|40|38| 49.6
Rick Martin|65|57|57|57|49|48|46|44|36|18| 49.2
Dave Andreychuk|59|55|50|50|49|48|44|43|43|42| 48.8
Brian Propp|56|56|53|51|49|49|46|42|40|38| 48.7
Kevin Stevens|85|65|51|49|46|39|38|34|34|32| 48.6
John MacLean|56|54|53|53|49|45|45|43|40|40| 48.5
Steve Larmer|59|59|55|51|50|42|41|40|39|39| 48.4
Tom Lysiak|59|57|52|49|47|45|44|43|41|38| 48.2
Owen Nolan|60|52|52|49|47|46|43|41|41|38| 47.6
Jean Pronovost|65|56|50|48|46|44|42|41|41|35| 47.6
Danny Gare|60|59|58|53|52|45|42|42|26|21| 47.4
Simon Gagne|67|66|56|54|51|43|32|30|27|25| 46.9
Vic Hadfield|79|53|48|46|45|43|39|36|33|33| 46.5
Craig Ramsay|63|57|50|49|45|43|42|40|38|27| 46.4
Bill Barber|67|50|49|48|43|41|41|41|39|37| 46.3
Kirk Muller|63|59|56|49|48|40|38|35|32|28| 46.1
J.P. Parise|69|60|46|46|45|43|41|40|30|30| 46.1
Terry O'Reilly|68|61|51|48|46|39|36|34|33|27| 45.6
Wilf Paiement|56|53|53|52|44|41|40|39|35|31| 45.4
Don Luce|60|59|56|51|48|42|39|37|22|21| 45.1
Brenden Morrow|59|58|51|50|48|41|38|31|30|24| 44.4
Rene Robert|59|54|54|52|50|46|37|35|18|18| 44
Reggie Leach|70|58|57|39|37|35|33|33|32|30| 43.6
Fred Stanfield|59|58|52|50|48|39|34|31|30|12| 43
Trevor Linden|56|54|47|42|40|39|37|36|36|34| 42.8
Brian Rolston|55|50|45|41|41|40|39|39|36|34| 42.6
Charlie Simmer|59|59|56|47|45|39|34|27|24|16| 42.4
Clark Gillies|59|58|53|47|37|35|34|33|26|24| 42
Kevin Dineen|51|50|50|43|43|37|35|35|33|31| 41.6
Claude Lemieux|50|46|46|45|39|39|39|37|34|34| 41.5
Bob Nystrom|53|50|43|43|39|39|37|36|35|34| 41.5
Mario Tremblay|52|49|48|44|43|40|39|34|28|28| 41.5
Mel Bridgman|53|50|47|40|39|39|37|37|36|28| 41.3
Ross Lonsberry|48|42|41|39|39|38|38|38|36|34| 39.6
Brian Sutter|57|47|46|43|41|41|41|26|24|16| 39.5
Adam Graves|50|47|45|45|40|38|34|30|27|27| 39.3
Tim Kerr|66|56|56|44|34|33|28|27|16|13| 39.2
Esa Tikkanen|60|50|50|44|38|36|31|27|24|17| 39.2
Wendell Clark|48|47|44|44|43|36|35|29|28|26| 39
Jere Lehtinen|55|45|44|41|39|38|36|31|27|23| 38.9
Bobby Schmautz|57|46|42|42|40|37|36|27|26|23| 38.6
Don Marcotte|61|48|45|41|37|36|31|27|24|20| 38.2
Gregg Sheppard|57|49|45|43|43|40|29|23|19|16| 38
Troy Murray|63|51|41|36|34|31|30|28|24|24| 37.2
Yvon Lambert|49|48|46|42|39|38|34|26|17|0| 35.7
Dirk Graham|54|44|39|33|33|31|31|31|29|20| 35.3
Kelly Miller|47|37|37|34|34|34|31|30|29|28| 34.6
Bob Gainey|35|35|34|34|32|32|31|26|24|24| 31.2
Craig MacTavish|38|35|31|31|31|27|26|26|25|24| 29.8
Jan Erixon|24|23|23|23|22|17|16|14|14|13| 19.4
I have also added Glen Murray and Steve Thomas, both players who I knew were much better even-strength producers than is generally credited here. As always, there are qualifiers, provisos and caveats with many of these players, but I think this data is a step forward in terms of dividing the players somewhat by skillset, rather than viewing scoring as a sort of homogenous mass, as we have long done in the ATD.
Well, have at it. I am going to take a break from doing more numbers for now, but anyone who wants to help me by either checking the numbers or running more, feel free to PM me, and I will update the table, as appropriate. Also, please note that these are all numbers from overpass' spreadsheet. I round all the AESP numbers to integers, and this can cause small differences in the calculations.
Again, the formula for the weighting of the seasons is: 18, 19, 20, 19, 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13...and then the whole thing divided by 169.
note: I have excluded the following players due to incomplete data: Rod Gilbert, Mats Naslund, B-A Gustafson, John McKenzie, Rick Nash (working on his 10th season now).
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