AAA 2010 Line-Up Assassinations

VanIslander

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Post your team once you have the starters and it'll get reviewed.

In the meantime, post your Top-6 or blueline or special teams or ask any question if you want feedback.

Once you have your final line-up, post it with a captain and two alternates, and it will for sure get a full review!

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BillyShoe1721

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I'd appreciate a critique of my top 6 and top 5 D:

Tony Gingras-Mike Walton-Petr Sykora
Yevgeni Mishakov-Art Jackson-Lasse Oksanen

Curt Giles-Bob Armstrong
Bert Marshall-Jim McKenny
Bill Brydge-_____
 

VanIslander

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Philadelphia's GM said:
Tony Gingras-Mike Walton-Petr Sykora
Yevgeni Mishakov-Art Jackson-Lasse Oksanen
The Bulldogs could struggle in the regular season. Sykora is only a 20-odd goal man who at his peak had some 40+ assist seasons, the sort of player who really needs to click with linemates. Walton is excellent on breakaways, skilled at shooting around the net, so he and Petr ought to have some success on surges. The Metis left winger is an x-factor and the question is: Is he a tough, go to the net and into traffic in the corners kind of guy? Because that's what a fast and less physical Walton-Sykora tandem need. This line may be good on transition but they may struggle to regain the puck in the offensive zone and get screened and deflected shots. A typical goal would have Sykora passing to a streaking Walton after a turnover. Now, everything would be fine if by "Herculean force" we can read Gingras as strong in traffic and good at puck recovery. More on his style of play could help show if this is an elite line or not.

The Philly 2nd line could be a disaster over a long season with two wingers who rarely played against their era's best and a center who was really an NHL 3rd line pivot until the War Years. Can Jackson handle an increased role against this level of competition? Or, this line could rock and roll given, among other things, the Soviet's propensity for physical play and fighting in addition to scoring. Mishakov would be a solid Bottom-6 player but on this team he brings much needed grit to a scoring line. Thanks to Mishakov, Oksanen will have skating room and he'll also have pucks, as Jackson is good in a checking role. This line could end up swimming with the best of them, though whether they can do that consistently over the long haul against the best lines is an open question.

Now to the huge upside with this core of Bulldogs forwards. Do NOT meet them in the playoffs. These six know how to raise their game when it matters most and their combined success in terms of championship experience and clutch play is staggering for this level of competition. Throw out the seedings, whatever they may be. Once a team faces this Philly core, the offensive ability of these guys has to be expected to increase twofold. The three NHLers each have two Stanley Cups, with Jackson a role in one of them, Walton a scoring supportive role in two of them and Sykora front and center in one of them with one other great finals run the following year. Gingras and Oksanen have impressed the hockey world at top competitions and Mishakov brought fire to the '72 Summit Series and certainly ought to in a playoffs here. Not a single player in this core of offensive line forwards is unfamiliar with championship success at the highest levels of competition.
 
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MadArcand

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HC Košice

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Miroslav Šatan (C) - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg
Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander
Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin (A) - Sami Kapanen
Johnny Sheppard - Earl Ingarfield - Scott Pellerin
Derek King - Jude Drouin

Ľubomír ViÅ¡ňovský - Richard Matvichuk
Bret Hedican - Eric Weinrich
Keith Carney (A) - Norm Maciver
Ed Kea

Daren Puppa
Andy Aitkenhead

Coach: Tom Johnson

PP1: Miroslav Å atan - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg - Ľubomír ViÅ¡ňovský - Norm Maciver
PP2: Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander - Earl Ingarfield - Eric Weinrich

PK1: Scott Pellerin - Sami Kapanen - Keith Carney - Richard Matvichuk
PK2: Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin - Bret Hedican - Eric Weinrich
 
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DaveG

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Managers: DaveG and Tony D
Coach: Bill Dineen

Martin Straka - Petr Nedved - Darcy Tucker
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Jeff O'Neill
Christian Ruuttu - Mark Johnson - Eddie Wares
Dave Reid - Radek Bonk - Wayne Presley
Bryan Mullen, Aarne Honkavaara

Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown
Tom Kurvers - Dana Murzyn
Hal Laycoe - Grant Ledyard
Shawn Chambers

Ilya Bryzgalov
Gilles Meloche​

Power Play 1: Martin Straka - Petr Nedved - Mark Johnson - Tom Kurvers - Eddie Wares
Power Play 2: Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Jeff O'Neill - Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown

Penalty Kill 1: Dave Reid - Christian Ruuttu - Hal Laycoe - Grant Ledyard
Penalty Kill 2: Andrew Cassels - Wayne Presley - Dana Murzyn - Keith Brown
 
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DaveG

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Miroslav Šatan - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg
Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander
Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin - Sami Kapanen
Johnny Sheppard - Earl Ingarfield - Scott Pellerin
Jude Drouin

Ľubomír Višňovský - Richard Matvichuk
Bret Hedican - Keith Carney
Ed Kea - Norm Maciver

Daren Puppa
Andy Aitkenhead

Coach:

PP1: Miroslav Šatan - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg - Ľubomír Višňovský - Norm Maciver
PP2: Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander - Bret Hedican - Norm Maciver

PK1: Scott Pellerin - Sami Kapanen - Keith Carney - Richard Matvichuk
PK2: Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin - Bret Hedican - Ed Kea

I wonder if I should find a spot for Drouin.

Top 6 in an interesting mix. Good blend of size and skill. Second line looks like it could be a slight weakness but the third line is pretty formidable. 4th line is an interesting mix as well, I like Pellerin's versatility to play in the top 6 or on the 3rd line if needed.

Defensively you have some good skaters, but seem to be lacking a little on the offensive side other then Visnovsky and Maciver. Hedican is a good puck moving defenseman but he has never been a huge producer. Possibly think about moving Kapanen or Rucchin to one of the PP units?

Your goalies are pretty good. Both Puppa and Aitkenhead were in the discussion for Johnstown for goalies in this draft. Puppa had some good years with Buffalo and Tampa on rather weak teams, but never seemed to do much in the post-season. Aitkenhead has a good playoff history being a part of a cup winner in his short career.

Will be interesting to see who you pick as a coach and how they fit in with your team. There are some good ones still out there.
 

BillyShoe1721

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1939 or earlier-Gingras
1940 to 1965-Armstrong
1966 to 1979-Palmateer
1980 to 1993-Eklund
1994 to 2010-Sykora

PP1

Gingras-Walton-Sykora
McKenny-Eklund

PP2

Holmgren-Jackson-Bubnik
Brydge-Johnsson

PK1

Bell-Gilbert
Giles-Marshall

PK2

Mishakov-Eklund
Armstrong-Brydge

PK3

Jackson-Holmgren
Giles-Johnsson
 
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VanIslander

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Colorado College Tigers

coach Bobby Kromm

Hib Milks - Danny Briere - Joe Carveth
Alex Semin - Robert Reichel - Ed Olczyk
Armand Mondou - Dale McCourt - Billy Harris
Edmond Bouchard - Stu Barnes - Roger Jenkins
Joe Linder, Tony Conroy

Leo Reise, Sr. - Albert Langlois
Brad Stuart - Doug Lidster
Lou Nanne - Pierre Bouchard
Harold Snepsts

Joe Daley
Al Smith

 
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Hedberg

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Toledo Walleye

Coach: Ernie McLean

Nick Mickoski - Thomas Gradin (C) - Bud Poile (A)
Patrik Sundstrom - Tim Young - Scott Young
Johan Franzen - Terry Crisp - Pentti Lund
Greg Adams - Stephane Yelle (A) - Alex Burrows
Anatoli Semenov - Charles Tobin

Nikolai Makarov - Al Dewsbury
Pavel Kubina - Tom Bladon
Pat Quinn - Howie Young
Dennis Kearns

Bert Lindsay
Rollie Melanson

PP1: Nick Mickoski - Thomas Gradin - Bud Poile - Nikolai Makarov - Tom Bladon
PP2: Johan Franzen/Patrik Sundstrom - Tim Young - Scott Young - Pavel Kubina - Al Dewsbury
PK1: Stephane Yelle - Pentti Lund - Al Dewsbury - Nikolai Makarov
PK2: Terry Crisp - Tim Young - Pavel Kubina - Pat Quinn
 

Hedberg

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Colorado College Tigers

coach Bobby Kromm

Hib Milks - Danny Briere - Joe Carveth
Alex Semin - Robert Reichel - Ed Olczyk
Armand Mondou - Dale McCourt - Billy Harris
Edmond Bouchard - Stu Barnes - Roger Jenkins
Joe Linder, Tony Conroy

Leo Reise, Sr. - Albert Langlois
Brad Stuart - Doug Lidster
Lou Nanne - Pierre Bouchard
Harold Snepsts

Joe Daley
Al Smith


- A solid, but unspectacular defence that is maybe lacking a true number 1 at the AAA level. Obviously will be a pain to play against with Langlois, Stuart, and Bouchard. Not an offense packed bunch. Which four are on the power play (is it possible a forward may man a point?)
- Kromm is probably one of the stronger coaches around; a great pick on the last day
- You've done a tremendous job finding guys who've been overlooked like Conroy, Jenkins, McCourt, even Reichel (who I don't think has been picked before.) I hope you participate in the AA drafts and contribute more finds.
- The forwards are well defined. The bottom six is a very strong defensive group.
- The second is pretty strong considering what you had to work with picking Reichel and Olcyzk later in the draft. I'm never sure exactly how good Olczyk was, but he looks like he belongs on a AAA 2nd line. Semin may have one of the best shots in the AAA. On the first line, I can definitely see Milks meshing with Briere to be dangerous
- I love how you essentially have 9 defenders on your roster; great versality.
 

TheDevilMadeMe

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Miroslav Šatan (C) - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg
Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander
Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin (A) - Sami Kapanen
Johnny Sheppard - Earl Ingarfield - Scott Pellerin
Derek King - Jude Drouin

Ľubomír Višňovský - Richard Matvichuk
Bret Hedican - Keith Carney (A)
Ed Kea - Norm Maciver
Eric Weinrich

Daren Puppa
Andy Aitkenhead

Coach: Tom Johnson

PP1: Miroslav Šatan - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg - Ľubomír Višňovský - Norm Maciver
PP2: Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander - Bret Hedican - Norm Maciver

PK1: Scott Pellerin - Sami Kapanen - Keith Carney - Richard Matvichuk
PK2: Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin - Bret Hedican - Ed Kea

I wonder if I should find a spot for Drouin or Weinrich, at expense of maybe Cullen/Ingarfield and Kea/Hedican, respectively. Argh.

Satan is a great first line goal scorer at this level - he'd be a solid pick in the MLD if surrounded by the right guys!

Your top 6 is a bit soft - who provides the physicality on the 2nd line? Satan, Khristich, and Nylander are all guys who have had their desire questioned. Stumpel is probably below average as a scoring center at this level, and Cullen was a bit of a one-season wonder (but what a season it was!)

Renberg provides a solid two-way presence on your top line with a bit of grit - he was a huge man, but definitely the least physical member of the Legion of Doom; though he was their best backchecker.

I really like your 3rd line. Kapanen is one of the most versatile players in this and one of the more useful lower line guys. Rucchin is good for his role and Arvedsson was a pretty good two-way player during his short career.

Nice to see you pick Matvichuk - he really deserves it. The Derian Hatcher - Richard Matvichuk pair was one of the best shut down pairs in hockey for several years. I'm a fan of the offensive-minded / defensive-minded guys playing together, but this pair is taking it to the extreme! I can see the coach shuffling the pairs if you are down a goal or protecting a lead late in the game.

Very good second pair - Hedican is a good all-round guy who led the 2006 Hurricanes in minutes by a defenseman in the playoffs. Carney was great in 2003 with Anaheim. Excellent defensively, while not as much a black hole with the puck as Matvichuk.

Puppa is an excellent goaltender at this level. In retrospect, he probably deserved the 1996 Vezina (over weak competition, though).

Tom Johnson is a "player's coach" in that he just let the players play... how well will it work when he doesn't have Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito going out and doing their things?

The pointmen on your PPs are very good. Renberg is a decent net presence on the first unit (though Leclair usually filled this role in real life, I don't see why Renberg can't with his big body). Who is the net presence on the 2nd unit?

Very good PK - the Carney/Matvichuk pair will keep your crease as clear as any pairing in the draft!
 
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VanIslander

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the GM of Kosice said:
coach Tom Johnson

Miroslav Šatan (C) - Jozef Stümpel - Mikael Renberg
Dmitri Khristich - John Cullen - Michael Nylander
Magnus Arvedson - Steve Rucchin (A) - Sami Kapanen
Johnny Sheppard - Earl Ingarfield - Scott Pellerin
Derek King - Jude Drouin

Ľubomír Višňovský - Richard Matvichuk
Bret Hedican - Keith Carney (A)
Ed Kea - Norm Maciver
Eric Weinrich

Daren Puppa
Andy Aitkenhead​

What can one say about this team of Czech-less talents? It does look like a Hurricane. The first line is impeccible with speed, passing and physicality to result in goals, assists and shots galore. This is truly an example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. But Satan as team captain gives one pause, though, given he captained the Slovak National Team of which this Kosice HC is a facsimile, I guess it fits. The third line is by far my fav in this draft as I have watched and admired all three of those modern era guys do their best. Arvedson and Kapanen are the defensive equivalent of Rucchin's real life linemates Kariya and Selanne: fast, creative and deadly. This Kosice third line can handle any line in this draft. The loosy goosy offense of the second line would be entertaining to see. Khristich can lack intensity, Cullen can be all over the ice and Nylander can, well, be soft and passive. How can one imagine this line working well together?

I wonder if I should find a spot for Drouin or Weinrich, at expense of maybe Cullen/Ingarfield and Kea/Hedican, respectively. Argh.
Drouin hasn't the offense for a top-6 role and neither Rucchin nor Ingarfield ought to lose their jobs in this draft as bottom-6 starters. And you already have Nylander playing out of position on right wing, no need to add another. Drouin would make an intriguing playoff starter, once we get to match-ups, given his 68 points in 72 NHL postseason games, mostly beating up expansion teams like Pittsburgh, Vancouver and Buffalo. How significant is he as a playoff scorer? We may have to address that question eventually but for now his passing ability is not in demand on this squad.

Weinrich never impressed me much, but he has plenty of playoff and international experience and the sort of work ethic to not only be a starter but to also be an alternate captain. Which third pairing guy isn't Weinrich better than? Norm Maciver had half his career but twice his puck handling skills. The powerplay could use him but Visnovsky on the first unit and a forward on the second unit could do the job. Bench Maciver. On the other hand, Kea was up and down to minor leagues in a weak era of the NHL, post expansion, when the demand for top level players outstripped supply. He played the better part of four seasons twice in the NHL, though rarely a full season healthy, so he sure looks like bench material or at least a guy who will sit a lot, giving the #7 not insignificant ice time. All things considered, this team will have to rely heavily on its solid top-4 blueliners for regular season success with perhaps Weinrich fifth in minutes played regardless how the 5th thru 7th slots are aligned.

The goaltending is shaky with Puppa as the starter having had one great season in Buffalo, two decent seasons in Tampa and no playoff success whatsoever. He ought to be at best a backup in this draft. The neurotic Aitkenhead had a short but brilliant career and the Stanley Cup champion might be the guy to go to between the pipes come playoff time.

The coach of this team is apt, with his short but great career showing he can lead a team to the championship but raising questions about how effective he would be apart from the line-up he coached. He has no Orr or Esposito here, but if a player's coach can get the best seasons out of Aitkenhead, Satan & Co. then this squad could go all the way by utilizing their speed and passing. At their best I imagine: Satan-Stumpel and Rucchin-Kapanen are effective tandems, with Visnovsky feeding them pucks. However, with several players with shaky or short careers, this Kosice team might perform the way Slovak teams usually do.
 
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TheDevilMadeMe

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Which lineup do you all like better? Basically, do we put McKay or Skvortsov in the lineup as a regular? Lineup 1 is more talented, Lineup 2 is more traditional and grittier:


Lineup 1:

Red Green - Guy Choinard - Jiri Lala
Danny Lewicki - Mike Bullard - Steve Sullivan
Jörgen Pettersson - Michal Handzus - Alexander Skvortsov
Rob Zamuner - Todd Marchant - Colin Patterson

PP1: Alexander Skvortsov - Mike Bullard - Jiri Lala - Mark Streit - Guy Chouinard
PP2: Danny Lewicki - Steve Sullivan - Red Green - Alexei Zhitnik - Marek Zidlicky

PK1: Todd Marchant - Colin Patterson - Alexei Zhitnik - Bob Trapp
PK2: Michal Handzus - Rob Zamuner - Arthur Moore - Percy Traub
PK3: Steve Sullivan - Danny Lewicki - Alexei Zhitnik - Bob Trapp


or Lineup 2:

Red Green - Guy Choinard - Jiri Lala
Danny Lewicki - Mike Bullard - Steve Sullivan
Rob Zamuner - Todd Marchant - Colin Patterson
Jörgen Pettersson - Michal Handzus - Randy McKay

PP1: Red Green - Mike Bullard - Jiri Lala - Mark Streit - Guy Chouinard
PP2: Danny Lewicki - Steve Sullivan - Randy McKay - Alexei Zhitnik - Marek Zidlicky

PK1: Todd Marchant - Colin Patterson - Alexei Zhitnik - Bob Trapp
PK2: Michal Handzus - Rob Zamuner - Arthur Moore - Percy Traub
PK3: Steve Sullivan - Danny Lewicki - Alexei Zhitnik - Bob Trapp

Below are links to profiles:

Managers: TheDevilMadeMe & Dreakmur
Coach: Emile "The Cat" Francis

Red Green - Guy Chouinard - Jiri Lala
Danny Lewicki - Mike Bullard - Steve Sullivan
Jörgen Pettersson- Michal Handzus - Alexander Skvortsov
Rob Zamuner - Todd Marchant - Colin Patterson
Randy McKay, Olli Jokinen


Alexei Zhitnik- Bob Trapp
Mark Streit - Percy Traub
Arthur Moore - Marek Zidlicky
Joel Quenneville

Reggie Lemelin
Niklas Backstrom
 

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Suggestion for the Bandits' forward lines: BENCH Patterson and start Skvortsov and McKay.

Lineup 3:

Red Green - Guy Chouinard - Jiri Lala
Danny Lewicki - Mike Bullard - Alexander Skvortsov
Jörgen Pettersson - Michal Handzus - Steve Sullivan
Rob Zamuner - Todd Marchant - Randy McKay :yo:

This moves Sullivan to play alongside Handzus, giving a two-way threat to the third line. Patterson is expendable given Zamuner and Marchant; three defensive forwards of their ilk might look like a shutdown line but it's overkill imo whereas adding MacKay brings a new dimension and some synergy to this checking line. And, oh yeah, make McKay an alternate captain.
 
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GM: Nalyd Psycho
Coach: Randy Carlyle
Captain: Morris Lukowich
Alternate Captains: Willie Mitchell & Dustin Brown

Morris Lukowich-Jaroslav Drobny-Dustin Brown
Mark Osborne-Vladimir Ruzicka-Ilkka Sinisalo
Gaetan Duchesne-Jordan Staal-Gary Sabourin
Alex Kaleta-Gord Pettinger-Frank St. Marseille

Jim Dorey-Poul Popiel
Willie Mitchell-Sami Salo
Murray Henderson-Philippe Boucher

Seth Martin
Bohumil Modry

Spares: Larry Popein, Chris Nilan & Stephane Robidas​

Power Play:
Lukowich-Ruzicka-Drobny-Dorey-Boucher
Kaleta-Pettinger-Sinisalo-Popiel-Salo

Penalty Kill:
Duschene-Staal-Henderson-Mitchell
Sabourin-Pettinger-Dorey-Salo
 

BillyShoe1721

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Managers: DaveG and Tony D
Coach: Bill Dineen

Petr Nedved - Martin Straka - Darcy Tucker
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Jeff O'Neill
Christian Ruuttu - Mark Johnson - Eddie Wares
Dave Reid - Radek Bonk - Wayne Presley
Bryan Mullen, Aarne Honkavaara

Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown
Tom Kurvers - Dana Murzyn
Hal Laycoe - Grant Ledyard
Shawn Chambers

Ilya Bryzgalov
Gilles Meloche​

Power Play 1: Petr Nedved - Martin Straka - Mark Johnson - Tom Kurvers - Eddie Wares
Power Play 2: Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Jeff O'Neill - Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown

Penalty Kill 1: Dave Reid - Christian Ruuttu - Hal Laycoe - Grant Ledyard
Penalty Kill 2: Andrew Cassels - Wayne Presley - Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown

-First line has all 3 components that one would want. Straka's your passer, Nedved your shooter, and Tucker is your corners, gritty guy. My concern is whether Tucker can keep up with 2 guys that are way more talented and quick than he is.
-Three modern NHL guys, all 3 good skaters, but only one top 10 in goals, assists, or points among them. O'Neill has a little bit of grittiness, but who's your corner, grit guy?
-Where has Ruuttu played LW? I see him consistently listed as a center. How good was he defensively? Good enough to be on the 3rd line and #1 PK unit? Johnson was supposedly good in both ends, but his +/- indicates otherwise. How good was Wares defensively? Considering he sometimes played defense, I'll assume he was good. I think this line may be able to pass as a shutdown line, but is not elite.
-This 4th line looks more like a shutdown line compared to the 3rd. Reid and Presley are both good defensively, but have just one season over 50 points between them. Bonk provides good two-way ability and a good faceoff guy. A good shutdown line, but won't provide all that much offensively.

-Eldebrink is a good offensive, quick, mobile defenseman. Brown is a good two-way guy, but I don't think either one of these guys is a #1 defenseman in this. For a first pairing, it's a little sub-par if you ask me.
-Kurvers serves the same function as Eldebrink on the first pairing, the puck moving, offensive defenseman. Murzyn brings some much needed physicality to your top 4, can handle things in his own end, and isn't inept in the offensive zone.
-Laycoe is a good, steady 3rd pairing guy. Ledyard is the same. Overall, your defense will be fine in the offensive zone, but lacks physicality that may come to hurt you in the defensive zone.

-Bryzgalov has had 2 very good years the past 2 years, but beyond that was decent as a backup/1b behind Giggy, but I don't think he's a starter in this. Meloche is a pretty good backup, and I'd give him a good amount of time.

-Bill Dineen is one of the better coaches in the draft.

-PP looks pretty good, nothing earth shattering. I might take Eldebrink off the PK altogether and put Murzyn in there, which would give you a front of the net, physical presence that your PK units lack. PK units are decent.
 

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coach Jacques Martin

Sergei Shepelev - Billy Barlow - Mac Colville
Nick Libett (A) - Vladimir Golikov - Ulf Dahlen
Randy Burridge - Michal Pivonka - Wildor Larochelle
Dan Maloney - Patrick Sharp - Ken Schinkel
Ron Murphy, Mickey Roach

Chris Phillips (A) - Anton Volchenkov
Sergei Starikov - Igor Stelnov
Frank Eddolls (C) - Igor Romishevsky
Bugsy Watson

Pekka Lindmark
Don Beaupre​
 

BillyShoe1721

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GM: Nalyd Psycho
Coach: Randy Carlyle
Captain: Morris Lukowich
Alternate Captains: Willie Mitchell & Dustin Brown

Morris Lukowich-Jaroslav Drobny-Dustin Brown
Mark Osborne-Vladimir Ruzicka-Ilkka Sinisalo
Gaetan Duchesne-Jordan Staal-Gary Sabourin
Alex Kaleta-Gord Pettinger-Frank St. Marseille

Jim Dorey-Poul Popiel
Willie Mitchell-Sami Salo
Murray Henderson-Philippe Boucher

Seth Martin
Bohumil Modry

Spares: Larry Popein, Chris Nilan & Stephane Robidas​

Power Play:
Lukowich-Ruzicka-Drobny-Dorey-Boucher
Kaleta-Pettinger-Sinisalo-Popiel-Salo

Penalty Kill:
Duschene-Staal-Henderson-Mitchell
Sabourin-Pettinger-Dorey-Salo

-Lukowich is one of, if not the, best wingers in the draft. Drobny is talented, but his competition wasn't great. Brown seems a bit out of place here, and while I see him being the forechecking, corner guy, I don't know if he can keep up with the other 2.
-Osborne was known as a decent two-way player, but has a pretty ugly career -94. Ruzicka is a very talented center, and Ilkka can shoot and provide a defensive presence. Osborne can work the corners. This line's good.
-Duchesne is one of the best shutdown forwards in this draft, Staal has had a very short career with unimpressive offensive numbers, but a good Selke record for being only 22. Sabourin is a solid two-way guy. This line won't provide too much defensively, but will serve their purpose as a shutdown line very well.
-You've got some offense on your 4th line with 2 top 10s in assists between Kaleta and Marseille, what is the function of this line? They've got some offense, but none look like they're tough like a normal 4th line would be.

-Dorey's a solid two-way guy with some physicality that could also put up points. Popiel was great in the WHA, but his inability to stick with an NHL team is a little concerning. He brings physicality as well.
-Mitchell's a traditional shutdown guy that clears the crease, and Salo is a decent two-way guy with a cannon from the point. Nothing spectacular, but not great.
-Henderson's a solid guy, and should be able to take care of Boucher's minor defensive lapses. I'm not sure Boucher deserves to be in your starting lineup. He had 2 good years offensively, and was never more than a #2 defenseman.

-Martin's near the top in terms of starters in this draft, and not a lot is known about Modry, but he appears to have been a very good goalie before he got arrested.

-Carlyle is a good coach who has won a cup.

-First PP unit looks good, 2nd unit looks a little weak. PK units look good.
 

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Suggestion for the Bandits' forward lines: BENCH Patterson and start Skvortsov and McKay.



This moves Sullivan to play alongside Handzus, giving a two-way threat to the third line. Patterson is expendable given Zamuner and Marchant; three defensive forwards of their ilk might look like a shutdown line but it's overkill imo whereas adding MacKay brings a new dimension and some synergy to this checking line. And, oh yeah, make McKay an alternate captain.

Interesting idea. I think it's the best case scenario for the lower lines, but... is Skvortsov the playmaker that the goal scorer Bullard needs? That's the only reason I have been reluctant to take Sullivan off the Bullard line.

Also, I think Patterson is probably better than Zamuner (better winning pedigree at least), and he played more LW than RW anyway.

So:

Red Green - Guy Choinard - Jiri Lala
Danny Lewicki - Mike Bullard - Steve Sullivan
Jörgen Pettersson - Michal Handzus - Alexander Skvortsov
Colin Patterson - Todd Marchant - Randy McKay

switch the two in bold?
 

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-First line has all 3 components that one would want. Straka's your passer, Nedved your shooter, and Tucker is your corners, gritty guy. My concern is whether Tucker can keep up with 2 guys that are way more talented and quick than he is.
-Three modern NHL guys, all 3 good skaters, but only one top 10 in goals, assists, or points among them. O'Neill has a little bit of grittiness, but who's your corner, grit guy?
-Where has Ruuttu played LW? I see him consistently listed as a center. How good was he defensively? Good enough to be on the 3rd line and #1 PK unit? Johnson was supposedly good in both ends, but his +/- indicates otherwise. How good was Wares defensively? Considering he sometimes played defense, I'll assume he was good. I think this line may be able to pass as a shutdown line, but is not elite.
-This 4th line looks more like a shutdown line compared to the 3rd. Reid and Presley are both good defensively, but have just one season over 50 points between them. Bonk provides good two-way ability and a good faceoff guy. A good shutdown line, but won't provide all that much offensively.

-Eldebrink is a good offensive, quick, mobile defenseman. Brown is a good two-way guy, but I don't think either one of these guys is a #1 defenseman in this. For a first pairing, it's a little sub-par if you ask me.
-Kurvers serves the same function as Eldebrink on the first pairing, the puck moving, offensive defenseman. Murzyn brings some much needed physicality to your top 4, can handle things in his own end, and isn't inept in the offensive zone.
-Laycoe is a good, steady 3rd pairing guy. Ledyard is the same. Overall, your defense will be fine in the offensive zone, but lacks physicality that may come to hurt you in the defensive zone.

-Bryzgalov has had 2 very good years the past 2 years, but beyond that was decent as a backup/1b behind Giggy, but I don't think he's a starter in this. Meloche is a pretty good backup, and I'd give him a good amount of time.

-Bill Dineen is one of the better coaches in the draft.

-PP looks pretty good, nothing earth shattering. I might take Eldebrink off the PK altogether and put Murzyn in there, which would give you a front of the net, physical presence that your PK units lack. PK units are decent.

Don't disagree too much with this.

Regarding Tucker: IIRC he was linemates with Sundin for a while in Toronto. I have little doubt that he can keep up with Nedved/Straka. He's some much needed grit on that line which was something that was getting hard to find.

Second line, O'Neill I think can hold his own in being the physical presence while contributing offensively. Likewise Cassels isn't exactly afraid of the high traffic areas. I see this line playing similar to the Kapanen-Francis-O'Neill line in which there wasn't really an overly physical presence, but the line also wasn't all too easy to simply push around either. Between Sanderson's speed (similar to Sami) and better scoring touch, Cassels playmaking ability and O'Neill's well rounded game I think this line can cause some matchup problems for other teams.

Don't disagree with your Ruuttu points too much, though it is very common for centers to play out of position on either wing and certainly easier then having a winger in the middle. Though I do believe that Ruuttu played a bit of LW (not overly often) with the Hawks in the 90s. As for his defensive game, he does have a 12th place finish in Selke voting in 89-90 to his record and was a PK regular with both the Sabres and Hawks. A respectable +39 on his career as well. Not sure we're going to play that line as a pure shutdown line, but they're decent enough in that regard as you said, and offensively they should be able to contribute a decent bit.

Had toyed with the idea of Murzyn on the PK over Eldebrink, but was undecided there. It does make sense though.
 

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Managers: DaveG and Tony D
Coach: Bill Dineen

Petr Nedved - Martin Straka - Darcy Tucker
Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Jeff O'Neill
Christian Ruuttu - Mark Johnson - Eddie Wares
Dave Reid - Radek Bonk - Wayne Presley
Bryan Mullen, Aarne Honkavaara

Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown
Tom Kurvers - Dana Murzyn
Hal Laycoe - Grant Ledyard
Shawn Chambers

Ilya Bryzgalov
Gilles Meloche​

Power Play 1: Petr Nedved - Martin Straka - Mark Johnson - Tom Kurvers - Eddie Wares
Power Play 2: Geoff Sanderson - Andrew Cassels - Jeff O'Neill - Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown

Penalty Kill 1: Dave Reid - Christian Ruuttu - Hal Laycoe - Grant Ledyard
Penalty Kill 2: Andrew Cassels - Wayne Presley - Anders Eldebrink - Keith Brown

According to my records (meaning a thread by Hockey Outsider), Straka is the 2nd best post-expansion point producer after Jason Allison in this draft. He's a fast, versatile player with decent two way ability who can play center, left wing, the point on the PP, and forward on a PK. Pretty clutch in the playoffs. I really wanted him. You jerk.

I'm not nearly as big a fan of Nedved. He had the one great season playing on a stacked Pittsburgh team but was plagued by inconsistency and apathy for much of his NHL career. Still, he's fast and has chemistry with Straka, so it should work at this level. Tucker is way too slow to keep up with the other two; he won't score much, but he'll do the dirty work when the puck is in the offensive zone.

2nd line is okay. Cassels is decent, not great. Sanderson better, and has chemistry with Cassels I think. We were briefly considering O'Neil as a goal scoring RW (before finding the Russian and then the Czech), but he just seemed like too much of a one-year wonder. Where is the grit on this line?

I honestly don't know enough about the guys on your 3rd line to comment and I'm too lazy to look them up.

Bonk is a great puck possession center for a 4th line. His wings are both solid defensive specialists for this level.

None of your defensemen really stand out at me, for better or worse. Well, except that you stole the #7 that I really wanted, but he's just a #7!

Bryzgalov has had 2 good seasons and fantastic playoff numbers. Not the best starter here, but I don't know if he's out of place among some of the other modern goalies who have been picked. Meloche seems like your typical AAA draft backup.

Bill Dineen is a very solid coach at this level.
 

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Don't disagree too much with this.

Regarding Tucker: IIRC he was linemates with Sundin for a while in Toronto. I have little doubt that he can keep up with Nedved/Straka. He's some much needed grit on that line which was something that was getting hard to find.

Speed wasn't exactly Sundin's game though, like it was with Nedved and Straka.

Agree that those two definitely need grit next to them, however.
 

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Satan is a great first line goal scorer at this level - he'd be a solid pick in the MLD if surrounded by the right guys!

Your top 6 is a bit soft - who provides the physicality on the 2nd line? Satan, Khristich, and Nylander are all guys who have had their desire questioned. Stumpel is probably below average as a scoring center at this level, and Cullen was a bit of a one-season wonder (but what a season it was!)

Renberg provides a solid two-way presence on your top line with a bit of grit - he was a huge man, but definitely the least physical member of the Legion of Doom; though he was their best backchecker.
I wouldn't call it soft. Obviously Renberg is the most physical, but Stumpel, Satan and Khristich were pretty big guys, especially Stumpel. Both he and Satan played fairly physical hockey on NT (at least insofar as physical big-rink hockey is). Khristich will have to provide the physicality for 2nd line and net presence for 2nd PP - a role that may seem odd, but also a role which he played in Washington playing with Bondra and Pivonka.

I really like your 3rd line. Kapanen is one of the most versatile players in this and one of the more useful lower line guys. Rucchin is good for his role and Arvedsson was a pretty good two-way player during his short career.

Nice to see you pick Matvichuk - he really deserves it. The Derian Hatcher - Richard Matvichuk pair was one of the best shut down pairs in hockey for several years. I'm a fan of the offensive-minded / defensive-minded guys playing together, but this pair is taking it to the extreme! I can see the coach shuffling the pairs if you are down a goal or protecting a lead late in the game.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking Visnovsky is offense-only. He's smallish and thus needs a physical partner, but he's actually very good at defending using his positional play, smarts and speed. Even if you haven't seen him enough to know it, his extremely impressive career adjusted +/- of +111 speaks volumes about it.

Tom Johnson is a "player's coach" in that he just let the players play... how well will it work when he doesn't have Bobby Orr and Phil Esposito going out and doing their things?
True enough. The Bruins were insanely good under him, but the sample size is small. But maybe Visnovsky can be the Orr and Stumpel the Espo? :D
 

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The loosy goosy offense of the second line would be entertaining to see. Khristich can lack intensity, Cullen can be all over the ice and Nylander can, well, be soft and passive. How can one imagine this line working well together?
Khristich lacked intensity for one short period of his career. I doubt many Caps or Kings fans would question his commitment. As for how the line will work - Nylander should be the playmaker, Cullen the offensive threat with focus on scoring, and Khristich the two-way presence.

Note that Nylander isn't truly out of position - he did play RW in his Whalers years reasonably often.

Weinrich never impressed me much, but he has plenty of playoff and international experience and the sort of work ethic to not only be a starter but to also be an alternate captain. Which third pairing guy isn't Weinrich better than? Norm Maciver had half his career but twice his puck handling skills. The powerplay could use him but Visnovsky on the first unit and a forward on the second unit could do the job. Bench Maciver. On the other hand, Kea was up and down to minor leagues in a weak era of the NHL, post expansion, when the demand for top level players outstripped supply. He played the better part of four seasons twice in the NHL, though rarely a full season healthy, so he sure looks like bench material or at least a guy who will sit a lot, giving the #7 not insignificant ice time. All things considered, this team will have to rely heavily on its solid top-4 blueliners for regular season success with perhaps Weinrich fifth in minutes played regardless how the 5th thru 7th slots are aligned.
I won't bench Maciver. He's a major PP force and effective on ES with sheltered minutes. I will however consider benching Kea - Weinrich can fill the 2nd PK role well enough, and would help the PP by taking a bit of load off Maciver. I'd like to hear more opinions on this though.

The goaltending is shaky with Puppa as the starter having had one great season in Buffalo, two decent seasons in Tampa and no playoff success whatsoever. He ought to be at best a backup in this draft. The neurotic Aitkenhead had a short but brilliant career and the Stanley Cup champion might be the guy to go to between the pipes come playoff time.
3rd in Vezina is decent? As for his ability for playoffs:

"Puppa erased almost all concerns about his ability to come up big in big games last season, and he even won a playoff game while suffering from a severe back strain. The Lightning could have extended the Flyers to seven games or even defeated them in their first-round series had Puppa been healthy. He's that good, and his third-place finish in the voting for the Vezina Trophy is an indication he's finally getting the recognition he deserves. Talent aside, though, Puppa remains a little unreliable. He certainly is not a workhorse. He has never played in more than 63 games in a season, so he requires a solid backup." (The Sporting News Hockey Yearbook 1996-97, p. 74)

"Puppa has become the NHL's forgotten man due to his frequent bouts with persistent back troubles. When healthy, Puppa has guided teams to great heights on the strength of his goaltending. The veteran is big for a goaltender and covers a lot of net. However, his reflexes and timing have been thrown off by his chronic back woes. Puppa is a goaltender who can no longer give a team the strong play it would need to make the playoffs. Retirement is going to arrive soon for the 14-year vet, largely premature because of his ailing back." (The Sports Forecaster 1999-2000, p. 141)

His problem is fragility, and that's where Aitkenhead comes in.

However, with several players with shaky or short careers, this Kosice team might perform the way Slovak teams usually do.
Oh c'mon. :laugh:

BTW for the record, I hate Satan and dislike Stumpel a lot. I never intended to have this team to look so Slovakey, it's bloody accident.
 

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