Post-Game Talk: #57| Blue Jackets at FLYERS | Tue., Feb. 17, 2015

[Striiker]

Brayden Schenn is really frustrating. People have said that's the worst game he's played as a Flyer, but he's actually had some efforts like that before.


Thus far this year, his shot is the same. His inability to win any battles in open ice or along the boards is the same. His passing was improved a bit, but hasn't been really utilized in a couple months, so what's the point? He's still tenacious and seems to be immune to pain, but shows no indication of really improving. He hasn't taken to wing all that well, which is unfortunate because he's way too passive and lacking in awareness to be a center. Example: Last night on the top line, V has the puck behind the net to the right. He gets the puck to Schenn. Schenn begins to skate left towards an open area where he could've had options, but instead immediately turns and heads behind the net right back towards where the puck was, and where two BJs were still in the area. They promptly challenged him and took the puck. Raffl or Hartnell would've done the smart thing. Brayden did the Schenn thing. I was flabbergasted the moment he turned back towards the back of the net, because I couldn't tell what his plan was. Nothing in his NHL career has told him that he would be capable of emerging with possession on the other side. Yet off he went anyways. At least Raffl understands his abilities and generally operates within them, instead of trying to do things he can't.

So...he doesn't fit at center, he doesn't fit at wing. He has been utterly unremarkable on a fantastic PP unit for a while. There has been little overall improvement in his game. He still shows little potential that he has a ceiling any better than what he currently is.


I said I'd give him one more year. I'm on the verge of quitting with the joking about retirement and such, and getting serious about moving him. He has done little in 3.5 years to prove he should be considered a vital building block. He doesn't seem to fit anywhere. If there is still a team high on him, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for an actual winger with real upside.

I'm at the point now where I'm starting to question when I'm actually thinking clearly, during games when I get annoyed and think we should move him or in between games when I think being patient could still possibly work out.

That little ****er has completely made me second guess myself and go back and forth on the subject.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I missed the second period of the game last night, but in the first and third the bounces really seemed to be going against the Flyers. That seemed like a game they really should have won but due to no fault of their own (or little fault of their own) weren't able to come away with any points.

eh, these things always even out. The Flyers have had their share of games they didn't deserve a point or a win. The Flyers got a huge break Sunday on that first goal for example.

 

[MadFerIt95*]

The Schenns have turned in some bad performances over the years but last night may have taken the cake for WORST combined performance as Flyers EVER. Luke didn't make one solid defensive play all night and Brayden was completely lost out there, that guy ****ing irritates me. He needs to just embrace his physical side because he brings nothing to the table skill wise.

On the positive side, Braydon Coburn was vintage Coburn last night, I thought he played a real solid game. He made smart pinches, calm with the puck and was skating swiftly. If he can keep this up we could get a haul for him at the deadline.

 

[TheSpectrum]

It was pretty telling how much more effective the first line became the moment Raffl was re-inserted back into the top line. And Raffl is no Gordie Howe either, he just went into those corners used his size to get Giroux and Voracek the freaking puck which is 90% of the battle playing on that line.

Schenn's abysmal offensive production on that top line has been really disappointing. Just when it looked he might be ready to take the next step offensively he goes the other way with it.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I like Raffl but I really don't see him as a first line player. He had a pretty unsustainable shooting percentage early in the season that is why he has 13 goals.
Schenn isn't the answer either. I still think they are going to have to find someone to fit on that line. Really cant leave Simmer up there all the time because than you have no threat on the bottom 9.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I like Raffl but I really don't see him as a first line player. He had a pretty unsustainable shooting percentage early in the season that is why he has 13 goals.
Schenn isn't the answer either. I still think they are going to have to find someone to fit on that line. Really cant leave Simmer up there all the time because than you have no threat on the bottom 9.

I'd say "Switch Schenn and Simmonds, Schenn ought to work well with Couts who he has played with well in the past," but all Schenn has done is be fairly unremarkable or downright annoying everywhere he's put.


So, I won't say that.

 

[Sniped]

Was Schenn available before his hot streak before November?

If he was, that hot streak took him off the table in Hexy's eyes and now it looks like Brayden is back to where he was before his hot streak earlier in the season. Too much inconsistency from him.

Hard to gauge his value or if Hexy sees him as a part of the core of this team going forward or not.

 

[GKJ]

I like Raffl but I really don't see him as a first line player. He had a pretty unsustainable shooting percentage early in the season that is why he has 13 goals.
Schenn isn't the answer either. I still think they are going to have to find someone to fit on that line. Really cant leave Simmer up there all the time because than you have no threat on the bottom 9.

2 of his goals were empty netters, so that plays into his shooting percentage.

A few others were late in blowouts. But he's still their best option right now. It's been years now they've been looking to upgrade 1LW, and that includes when JVR was here.

 

[Beef Invictus]

2 of his goals were empty netters, so that plays into his shooting percentage.

A few others were late in blowouts. But he's still their best option right now. It's been years now they've been looking to upgrade 1LW, and that includes when JVR was here.

Aside from a year of Hartnell with Giroux and Jagr, 1LW has been a weakness since 2010.

 

[klutch]

Brayden Schenn is really frustrating. People have said that's the worst game he's played as a Flyer, but he's actually had some efforts like that before.


Thus far this year, his shot is the same. His inability to win any battles in open ice or along the boards is the same. His passing was improved a bit, but hasn't been really utilized in a couple months, so what's the point? He's still tenacious and seems to be immune to pain, but shows no indication of really improving. He hasn't taken to wing all that well, which is unfortunate because he's way too passive and lacking in awareness to be a center. Example: Last night on the top line, V has the puck behind the net to the right. He gets the puck to Schenn. Schenn begins to skate left towards an open area where he could've had options, but instead immediately turns and heads behind the net right back towards where the puck was, and where two BJs were still in the area. They promptly challenged him and took the puck. Raffl or Hartnell would've done the smart thing. Brayden did the Schenn thing. I was flabbergasted the moment he turned back towards the back of the net, because I couldn't tell what his plan was. Nothing in his NHL career has told him that he would be capable of emerging with possession on the other side. Yet off he went anyways. At least Raffl understands his abilities and generally operates within them, instead of trying to do things he can't.

So...he doesn't fit at center, he doesn't fit at wing. He has been utterly unremarkable on a fantastic PP unit for a while. There has been little overall improvement in his game. He still shows little potential that he has a ceiling any better than what he currently is.


I said I'd give him one more year. I'm on the verge of quitting with the joking about retirement and such, and getting serious about moving him. He has done little in 3.5 years to prove he should be considered a vital building block. He doesn't seem to fit anywhere. If there is still a team high on him, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him for an actual winger with real upside.

AMEN! I've been saying this since last season. I don't think he will develop into more than a 3rd line talent. Trade him while we still can before everyone sees it.

 

[renberg]

I like Raffl but I really don't see him as a first line player. He had a pretty unsustainable shooting percentage early in the season that is why he has 13 goals.
Schenn isn't the answer either. I still think they are going to have to find someone to fit on that line. Really cant leave Simmer up there all the time because than you have no threat on the bottom 9.

I'm with you on this. Raffl may not be the ideal LW but he's a far sight better at it than Schenn. He will go into the dirty places and do as well as a guy his size can to get to the puck or the net.
I'm done with the Schenns. Braydon is not a wing and I don't know how valuable he is as a center. I'd just as soon allow another team the chance to find out. I think hat he is weak physically and a slow skater. When he plays with G and Voracek, he demonstrates a lack of creativity and does nothing to help open up space for them. They ignore him and play two against three up front.
Luke is slow and doesn't know how to use his stick. For being a physical defenseman, power forwards have little difficulty tossing him aside. It takes time for defensemen to grow their game. Like with his brother, I'd just as soon see him do it somewhere else. Paying him $3.5M per to be a bottom pair is just out of line.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If we can trade Brayden for Yakupov I'd do it. **** it.

 

[Appleyard]

I would really like to see:

Raffl -- Giroux -- Voracek
Schenn -- Couturier -- Simmonds

from here on out.

I mean, Schenn is still on pace for 46 points with 17mins a night. I was hoping he would get 20 goals and 50+ points this season but he is cost controlled and playing at 2nd line level whatever your measure of that.

Unless we can package him and get a good young LW back there is no point really...

 

[Striiker]

If we can trade Brayden for Yakupov I'd do it. **** it.

I honestly think I would too.

 

[Garbage Goal]

I would too, I really don't see Braydenn ever being more then he's shown these last two seasons.

 

[deadhead]

Don't mess with the first two lines, Raffl is a good fit on the 1st line, he has speed and does the dirty work, and he has upside left, he has less NHL experience than Schenn and has progressed much faster. With Simmonds and Read healthy, the Couts line has been their best line the last few weeks, why mess with it?

The real question is how do you fix the bottom two lines. Schenn for a winger might be the best move looking forward to next year when Laughton returns, hopefully with Leier at one wing and a trade? at the other. Cousins as C on the 4th line with VV and ??? Unfortunately, Lindblom and AK are more likely 2016-17 or later arrivals.

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

If we can trade Brayden for Yakupov I'd do it. **** it.

me too please...the brothers schenn were both morbidly obese slobs again last night and i would love to have yakupov, after this boring ass season at least it would be interesting to see how he would pan out.