4th round picks : Top-20 ranking since 2000 #1

[Xspyrit]

Top-20 Ranking, 4th round picks (since 2000)

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We are only looking at their NHL careers, of course. Who would you pick BPA (Best Player Available) ???

Don't pick based on your team needs, etc. Pick on who is better at hockey and what they have done at the NHL level. But for some guys (like ), what you project them to do over their NHL careers.


Please make your suggestions or let me know if there's a mistake or an omission.


Players left to add :

Ryan Callahan NHL Totals 757 186 200 386
Craig Smith NHL Totals 761 181 200 381
Gustav Nyquist NHL Totals 623 159 220 379
Viktor Arvidsson NHL Totals 432 142 132 274
Marcus Foligno NHL Totals 650 103 133 236
Joonas Donskoi NHL Totals 452 79 123 202
Sami Vatanen NHL Totals 473 47 153 200
Casey Cizikas NHL Totals 632 87 107 194
Andreas Athanasiou NHL Totals 369 99 89 188
Andrew Copp NHL Totals 458 73 104 177
David Savard NHL Totals 653 42 133 175
Tom Gilbert NHL Totals 655 45 178 223
Tyler Kennedy NHL Totals 527 89 126 215
Vladimir Sobotka NHL Totals 548 53 118 171
Jordin Tootoo NHL Totals 723 65 96 161
Josh Anderson NHL Totals 361 94 66 160
Matt Beleskey NHL Totals 477 76 82 158
Kyle Quincey NHL Totals 586 36 122 158
Colton Sceviour NHL Totals 532 66 90 156
Torrey Mitchell NHL Totals 666 67 85 152
Tobias Rieder NHL Totals 478 64 81 145
Erik Gustafsson NHL Totals 293 31 114 145
Danton Heinen NHL Totals 321 55 87 142
Jan Hejda NHL Totals 627 25 110 135
Dale Weise NHL Totals 513 55 70 125
Michel Ouellet NHL Totals 190 52 64 116
Miles Wood NHL Totals 323 65 56 121
Ben Chiarot NHL Totals 463 27 77 104
Nick Paul NHL Totals 218 27 37 64
Michael Bunting NHL Totals 79 30 25 55
Nicolas Roy NHL Totals 134 19 29 48
Victor Mete NHL Totals 230 5 38 43
Adam Ruzicka NHL Totals 22 4 4 8
Jack Rathbone NHL Totals 17 1 2 3

James Reimer NHL Totals 418 2.80 0.913 188-143
Ray Emery NHL Totals 287 2.70 0.906 145-86

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[Stewie Griffin]

This is tough. Holtby is the only one with a major individual award, but Shesterkin could get one this year. Slavin and Gaudreau have been among the best at their positions in various years,

 

[Xspyrit]

Slavin vs Gaudreau vs Shesterkin for the top-3 IMO

Then plenty of other good choices. This seems to be a round favorable to pick up goalies recently. Several of them have great starts/potential

Also has been a round to find very good D-men, but not a lot of prolific scorers

 

[bobholly39]

Slavin vs Gaudreau vs Shesterkin for the top-3 IMO

Then plenty of other good choices. This seems to be a round favorable to pick up goalies recently. Several of them have great starts/potential

Also has been a round to find very good D-men, but not a lot of prolific scorers

Not sure how you can justify putting Shesterkin that high. He's very clearly behind Holtby, at the very least. Did you just miss Holtby, or do you really place him behind?

Shsterkin is really good, and maybe he'll end up with a better career, but 5-6 years into his career Holtby had the highest sv% in the history of the NHL playoffs, and a Vezina and a 2nd place finish. I know he's slowed down a bit since, but Shesterkin has yet to reach that, and considering how volatile the goalie position is I think it's still too much to project him above Holtby just yet.

To me Gaudreau is a very easy #1 here though.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Not sure how you can justify putting Shesterkin that high. He's very clearly behind Holtby, at the very least. Did you just miss Holtby, or do you really place him behind?

Shsterkin is really good, and maybe he'll end up with a better career, but 5-6 years into his career Holtby had the highest sv% in the history of the NHL playoffs, and a Vezina and a 2nd place finish. I know he's slowed down a bit since, but Shesterkin has yet to reach that, and considering how volatile the goalie position is I think it's still too much to project him above Holtby just yet.

To me Gaudreau is a very easy #1 here though.

That's what I think too. I think Shesterkin will get a lot of recency bias votes, but people will forget how amazing Holtby was during the mid 2010s.

 

[Xspyrit]

Not sure how you can justify putting Shesterkin that high. He's very clearly behind Holtby, at the very least. Did you just miss Holtby, or do you really place him behind?

Shsterkin is really good, and maybe he'll end up with a better career, but 5-6 years into his career Holtby had the highest sv% in the history of the NHL playoffs, and a Vezina and a 2nd place finish. I know he's slowed down a bit since, but Shesterkin has yet to reach that, and considering how volatile the goalie position is I think it's still too much to project him above Holtby just yet.

What do you mean if I missed Holtby? Pretty sure I have him in the options

Yes I really place him behind because Shesterkin is already better than Holtby ever been and actually than most goalies I have ever seen. I think the NHL is going to be a 2-headed monster for a while regarding goalies (the other is Vasilevskiy)

So yes I can project him above Holtby. It's not because it can be "difficult" for someone that it's going to be difficult for everybody. SV% also doesn't tell the whole story. Hockey implies a lot of variables and different contexts. That's why you can just look at stats or advanced stats as the "be all and end all". Shesterkin is 100% legit

I'm pretty sure that most people would share that opinion, that Shesterkin will have been a better goalie than Holtby when all is said and done.

To me Gaudreau is a very easy #1 here though.

Then go ahead and vote Gaudreau. That's actually the point of these polls. I didn't even vote Shesterkin

That's what I think too. I think Shesterkin will get a lot of recency bias votes, but people will forget how amazing Holtby was during the mid 2010s.

Great 3-4 years peak

 

[Boreal01]

Gaudreau
Shesterkin
Holtby
Slavin

And either Ehrhoff or Swayman to round out the top 5

 

[Kuz]

That's what I think too. I think Shesterkin will get a lot of recency bias votes, but people will forget how amazing Holtby was during the mid 2010s.

Yeah Shesterkin is probably 4th right now, but wouldnt be surprised if he was 1st on this list when his careers end. Kinda like Kaprizov who ended up rd in his poll, but will have a very good chance of passing Helleybuck and maybe also Benn. Benn got that Art Ross which I believe Kaprizov wont get, but might get him on total career stats.

 

[Xspyrit]

Yeah Shesterkin is probably 4th right now, but wouldnt be surprised if he was 1st on this list when his careers end. Kinda like Kaprizov who ended up rd in his poll, but will have a very good chance of passing Helleybuck and maybe also Benn. Benn got that Art Ross which I believe Kaprizov wont get, but might get him on total career stats.

Kaprizov should have been first. it was the right choice and he's proving it

 

[Howe Elbows 9]

I think Gaudreau, Holtby, Slavin, Shesterkin and Hjalmarsson are my current top 5.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

How did Hjalmarsson get zero votes? I know he didn't do much offensively but he's possibly one of the best defensive defensemen that I've seen.

 

[Xspyrit]

How did Hjalmarsson get zero votes? I know he didn't do much offensively but he's possibly one of the best defensive defensemen that I've seen.

Well he got 3 votes in the poll #2

I'd say it's very high praise, he's probably going to be voted in the top-10 among the best 4th round picks in 20 years