GDT: #46 - 01/19/17 | RANGERS @ maple leafs | 7:30 - MSG

[RiceCooker]

We could really use a win tonight, everyone's confidence is shot, including the fans.

 

[Crease]

We need Shade Court to make a ruling on Lundqvist's post-game comments.

On one hand, it's perfectly reasonable for a struggling goalie to tell the team "Boys, I'm in a bad way right now--help me out and let's really tighten up for a few games." On the other hand, it's also reasonable to want to keep that behind closed doors.

One argument that didn't resonate with me the other night was that Lundqvist is just being a leader here, pointing out team deficiencies like good leaders should. Does that make McD and Stepan bad leaders for not addressing Lundqvist's backbreakers?

 

[Bluenote13]

I'm expecting another GDT full of unbridled Hank bashing.

After World War Girardi got stale, everyone pitched their tents on a new battlefield

Really, way to support the team ! How you handle adversity, says alot about a persons character.

 

[Bluenote13]

We need Shade Court to make a ruling on Lundqvist's post-game comments.

On one hand, it's perfectly reasonable for a struggling goalie to tell the team "Boys, I'm in a bad way right now--help me out and let's really tighten up for a few games." On the other hand, it's also reasonable to want to keep that behind closed doors.

One argument that didn't resonate with me the other night was that Lundqvist is just being a leader here, pointing out team deficiencies like good leaders should. Does that make McD and Stepan bad leaders for not addressing Lundqvist's backbreakers?

One is a team breakdown, the other is a player breakdown, theres a huge difference when captains mention either.

 

[Crease]

One is a team breakdown, the other is a player breakdown, theres a huge difference when captains mention either.

This is a very good point BN!

 

[nevesis]

Oh look, another game where Hank throws his defense under the bus.

I'm getting really tired of our forwards and defenders constantly falling on the sword for Hank, and Hank turning around with his dumbass comments about the shots he's facing. If you're making some big saves, that's one thing. But to give up the amount of soft goals he has this season AND have the nerve to complain, it's ridiculous. Yes, the defense is awful, but he's has been equally bad.

It's all in his head. It's amazing how fragile he's gotten at this point. He used to get even more zoned in after giving up a goal. Now, it's the exact opposite. Complete collapse. The man needs to see a sports psychiatrist.

Your post is borderline.

He never complained, nor did he throw his defense under the bus. Stop posting inaccurate information.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

kinda hoping we get blown out so av gets canned



on the other hand hoping hank has a great hame, cuz, ya kno, thats kinda important

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

kinda hoping we get blown out so av gets canned



on the other hand hoping hank has a great hame, cuz, ya kno, thats kinda important

AV isn't getting fired this season no matter what he does.

 

[Trxjw]

Really, way to support the team ! How you handle adversity, says alot about a persons character.

There seems to be a nice open spot available in the middle with other rational people. The wings are crowded and noisy.

 

[Loff]

AV isn't getting fired this season no matter what he does.

A first round exit or missing the playoffs will most likely get him canned.

My dad and a HF poster mentioned the possibility that Lundy got a concussion when he was hit by Eakin. After reading some players comments I'm starting to wonder if something might be going on physically with him as well.

Henrik wouldn't play at all if he had a concussion. Back in the early 2000s maybe, but not in this era.

 

[Raspewtin]

AV isn't getting fired this season no matter what he does.

Why not?

 

[Crease]

There seems to be a nice open spot available in the middle with other rational people. The wings are crowded and noisy.

Remember the short-lived double GDT?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

AV isn't getting fired this season no matter what he does.

how do you know that?

i mean, id wager a guess that he doesnt myself, but who knows with gorton. dude keeps a tight lid on these things.

 

[Gardner McKay]

AV isn't getting fired this season no matter what he does.

You don't think that a string of blow outs from some so-so teams would result in the firing of AV?

Maybe Lundqvist knows that AV is on the hot seat and is sucking on purpose to get AV canned.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Why not?

I just think he won't, not in season.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Why not?

If its too good to be true...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

You don't think that a string of blow outs from some so-so teams would result in the firing of AV?

Maybe Lundqvist knows that AV is on the hot seat and is sucking on purpose to get AV canned.

IDK, as much as I'd like AV canned, I think he would at least be given until the end of the season. Even if it were an in season thing, reacting to a bad losing streak, they'd probably just make Arniel interim coach which I don't know how much it would change.

Ideally, AV gets canned this summer and so does Julien and we can get Claude to come here. I'd like that.

Something about AV that bothers me is how he talks about his goalies in his pressers. Often blaming them for loses or whatever. I mean, this is a coach who was blessed to have the 2 best starters of the last 15 years as his two starting goalies. He almost directly owes Luongo and Lundqvist for his reputation, yet he's so smug it's like he doesn't even appreciate them. We all saw what he did to Lu in Vancouver, then here he's played games with Hank. Now Hank is actually struggling and you can't get too much of a vote of confidence from AV aside from saying he's back in next game.

Say what you will about Torts, but he appreciated Hank. He would've died on the vine for Hank. After last game he would've defended Hank to the media.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Your post is borderline.

He never complained, nor did he throw his defense under the bus. Stop posting inaccurate information.

You like to constantly dismiss the opinions of others because, in your expert opinion, not playing goalie means you can't have a point of view.

Well, guess what? I've played both forward and goalie for years, to this very day. Leaders always take personal responsibility when things go wrong, especially in public. Anything that can even remotely be construed as criticism directed towards other teammates is done behind closed doors.

These guys watch film. They know who's to blame for each and every goal, but you never utter that in public. That's why Stepan and McDonagh are leaders. In their remarks, they take it all on themselves, even though they know the guy between the pipes making more than any of them can't seem to come up with a big save anymore. Hank, on the other hand, wants everyone to know he's not getting any help. While that's pretty much true, part of being the highest paid goalie in the league for years now means bailing your team out of more blunders than other goalies do, and not whine about it.

 

[Bob Richards]

kinda hoping we get blown out so av gets canned

I never root against this team outside of extremely intricate circumstances.

I must say though that I love the humor this board generates when we are getting blown out like last game.

I don't mean that sarcastically or maliciously either. Some of you guys are absolutely hilarious. It can really take out the sting of tough stretches.

 

[NickyFotiu]

A first round exit or missing the playoffs will most likely get him canned.



Henrik wouldn't play at all if he had a concussion. Back in the early 2000s maybe, but not in this era.

Do you mean that Lundy would not want to play after a concussion or the team would not let him? He might keep some symptoms to himself like Staal did in the past.

 

[Hire Sather]

The only way AV gets canned mid season is if they really fall apart like the Leafs/Habs last season. Not going to happen, at least I hope not.

Nor does he deserve to be fired. There's a reason we've only had 3 head coaches in 12 years... overall, sustained, success. This team is nowhere near the joke that some of you think it is.

Easy to tell who didn't experience the dark years. Or maybe they just gave me a low standard of success.

 

[ponytrekker]

Now watch us win 1-0 with 70 saves between the two goalies.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

The only way AV gets canned mid season is if they really fall apart like the Leafs/Habs last season. Not going to happen, at least I hope not.

Nor does he deserve to be fired. There's a reason we've only had 3 head coaches in 12 years... overall, sustained, success. This team is nowhere near the joke that some of you think it is.

Exactly. If the team loses 10-12 in a row, its certainly possible, however I doubt that happens. But never say never.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The only way AV gets canned mid season is if they really fall apart like the Leafs/Habs last season. Not going to happen, at least I hope not.

Nor does he deserve to be fired. There's a reason we've only had 3 head coaches in 12 years... overall, sustained, success. This team is nowhere near the joke that some of you think it is.

Easy to tell who didn't experience the dark years. Or maybe they just gave me a low standard of success.

with sustained success comes higher expectations

 

[ZiGOODejad]

The only way AV gets canned mid season is if they really fall apart like the Leafs/Habs last season. Not going to happen, at least I hope not.

Nor does he deserve to be fired. There's a reason we've only had 3 head coaches in 12 years... overall, sustained, success. This team is nowhere near the joke that some of you think it is.

I don't think it's a joke but AV has shown here as well as in Vancouver that he can get in his own way. He's gotten us farther then Torts and company but does he really have the coaching ability to get us to win the Stanley cup? I'm not sure but I damn sure know there isn't another coach out there that's available with his success