GDT: #3 | Canucks at Flyers | October 17, 2023 | 6:00 PM Apparently | NBCSP

[Beef Invictus]

FLYERS: 1-1-0 (L1)
CANUCKS: 2-0-0 (W2)

BROADCAST:

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TSN? I Guess?
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FLYERS LINEUP:

Farabee-Couturier*-Foerster
Tippett-Frost-Atkinson
Laughton-Cates-Konecny
Deslauriers-Poehling-Hathaway

York-Sanheim
Staal-Walker
Andrae-Seeler

Hart
Ersson

Injuries:

Couturier (Didn't practice Monday, isn't related to back, Tortorella says it's minor, everything is ominous of course)
Ristolainen (IR)
Ellis (So bitter ’t is, that death is little worse;/but of the good to treat which there I found,/I’ll speak of what I else discovered there.)

CANUCKS LINEUP:

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Garland
Di Giuseppe-Miller-Boeser
Joshua-Suter-Beauvillier
Hoglander-Lafferty-Studnicka

Hughes-Hronek
Cole-Myers
Soucy (Game Time Decision)-Juulsen

Demko
DeSmith

Injuries:

Soucy (DTD)
Blueger (DTD)
Mikheyev (Out)
Poolman (IR)

GDT SONG


THE STATISTIC

5v5 On-Ice, rates, adjusted for score/venue, last 5 games:

Goalies:

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[Beef Invictus]

Those Canucks stats are hilarious. Hockey is a silly sport.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Those Canucks stats are hilarious. Hockey is a silly sport.

Oct. points dont mean anything thou..

 

[Magua]

Honestly, 4 more years of creatively listing Ryan Ellis on IR in the GDTs is more interesting and well-thought out than the rebuild.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Honestly, 4 more years of creatively listing Ryan Ellis on IR in the GDTs is more interesting and well-thought out than the rebuild.

There is a pattern and a mission now

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Honestly, 4 more years of creatively listing Ryan Ellis on IR in the GDTs is more interesting and well-thought out than the rebuild.

What's a rebuild? I'm still kind of new to hockey.

 

[Sombastate]

So do we think Couts is out?

 

[MorgantiDrinksBlood]

So do we think Couts is out?

Hopefully traded and we go 1-81-0

 

[deadhead]

Sounds more like a veteran "maintenance day(s)."

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I genuinely believe they anticipated Coots or Atkinson to miss some time - but since both were healthy, they had the tough decision to waive Wade. Poor planning, yes, but I have a gut feeling they didn't expect both to be in the lineup week 1

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think they care about Allison much at all.

I can't remember the last time the Flyers went into game 1 of a season without at least one forward being injured.

 

[bennysflyers16]

They care about over 30s , they have “Earned it” was the quote.

This will be my first slop fest of the year I get to watch.

 

[deadhead]

I genuinely believe they anticipated Coots or Atkinson to miss some time - but since both were healthy, they had the tough decision to waive Wade. Poor planning, yes, but I have a gut feeling they didn't expect both to be in the lineup week 1

I don't think they had expectations, that is, it's not just Couts and Atkinson, but also Foerster and Brink, and conversely, Allison and Laczynski.

They went into this season with a lot of unknowns, which is why they're rebuilding, if they could field two top lines that they were confident would produce, four reliable D-men who can play 20+ solid minutes and a starting goalie who was consistently in the top ten, THEY WOULDN"T BE REBUILDING.

The purpose of the 4th line is to provide some stability without blocking legitimate talents (if you can't break into the top 9/top 5 on this team, you're just not that good of a player). The 4th line isn't going to win them a lot of games, but it will consistently bring energy and a physical presence.

 

[Danko]

This is where Coots comes back to soon from injury and breaks himself in half and ends up on LTIR.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So do we think Couts is out?

They said it's minor and were mildly indignant a out even asking so I hope to see him as soon as 2026.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The purpose of the 4th line is to provide some stability without blocking legitimate talents (if you can't break into the top 9/top 5 on this team, you're just not that good of a player). The 4th line isn't going to win them a lot of games, but it will consistently bring energy and a physical presence.

This is exactly the kind of Pre-Cambrian thinking that ensures this team is terrible and their Hextallian retool will fail.

 

[deadhead]

I doubt ten minutes a game will have much effect either way.

And if a prospect is blocked from playing 10 minutes a game with Poehling as his center, doubt it will have much impact on the rebuild.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I doubt ten minutes a game will have much effect either way.

And if a prospect is blocked from playing 10 minutes a game with Poehling as his center, doubt it will have much impact on the rebuild.

This post is built on the premise that the team is run on merit. It is not. If it were, we wouldn't be watching Staal or Deslauriers.

You've also doubted that anything negative the team does matters for years, but seeing as it has all added up to make the team terrible, it sure seems to matter. A team needs to get more things right than it gets wrong and the Flyers get most things wrong. Roster construction, usage, and the thinking behind both are all things the Flyers always get wrong. Those are big things to get wrong.

 

[Danko]

Who plays first, Michkov or Coots

 

[Cody Webster]

Who plays first, Michkov or Coots

It'll be whomever we draft with the first overall pick in 2029

 

[BiggE]

I’ll be watching the Phillies because, when it comes to the Flyers,

 

[deadhead]

What's made this team terrible is obvious, and it's not player development, you have to have players worth developing before that's a problem.

1) drafting, missed on #11 (Morin), #2 (Patrick), #19 (JOB), #24 (Rubtsov), 5 of 6 2nd rd picks. Then when they hit, two overperformers (TK, Hart), one underperformer (Provorov), a couple worth their draft slot (Farabee, Sanheim), York may be a hit, Foerster? Gauthier? Bonk? Focus on physical payers with limited skills in the middle rounds, ended up with a string of misses, failed to build up bottom six and third pair depth.

2) No consistent strategy and a "remain competitive" approach, trading for Braun, Risto, TDA, signing AMac, JVR and Hayes - and not trading Voracek instead of extending him, waiting too long to trade Kimmo, etc. The cumulative effect was to lose draft picks, depreciate assets and waste cap room. Traded for assets sporadically, 2014 TDL (Coburn), 2018 (Schenn), 2022 TDL (Giroux), 2023 (Provorov).

Better development at best would have had only a minor impact, there's no Verhaeghe who went to another team and blossomed, or all the players Vegas and Seattle drafted who emerged away from their former team. The best players who've left this organization the last decade have been Cousins and NAK, the rest are out of the league.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Or, you know, it all matters because they're terrible at all of it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What's made this team terrible is obvious, and it's not player development, you have to have players worth developing before that's a problem.

1) drafting, missed on #11 (Morin), #2 (Patrick), #19 (JOB), #24 (Rubtsov), 5 of 6 2nd rd picks. Then when they hit, two overperformers (TK, Hart), one underperformer (Provorov), a couple worth their draft slot (Farabee, Sanheim), York may be a hit, Foerster? Gauthier? Bonk? Focus on physical payers with limited skills in the middle rounds, ended up with a string of misses, failed to build up bottom six and third pair depth.

2) No consistent strategy and a "remain competitive" approach, trading for Braun, Risto, TDA, signing AMac, JVR and Hayes - and not trading Voracek instead of extending him, waiting too long to trade Kimmo, etc. The cumulative effect was to lose draft picks, depreciate assets and waste cap room. Traded for assets sporadically, 2014 TDL (Coburn), 2018 (Schenn), 2022 TDL (Giroux), 2023 (Provorov).

Better development at best would have had only a minor impact, there's no Verhaeghe who went to another team and blossomed, or all the players Vegas and Seattle drafted who emerged away from their former team. The best players who've left this organization the last decade have been Cousins and NAK, the rest are out of the league.

Player development is indeed a major problem. Better development would have a major impact. A good rule of thumb is whenever you claim something is minor, know that it is actually major. The fact you even have to acknowledge it is a problem means that when you account for how vastly you downplay everything, a minor problem is huge. When you say a problem doesn't exist at all then it's minor or moderate.

And what a gargantuan leap from "Fletcher didn't make a single mistake" to "Fletcher made all kinds of mistakes."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Or, you know, it all matters because they're terrible at all of it.

You know who else is terrible at all of it? The Canucks. This is going to be a stupid game.