OT: 2024 Washington Commanders off-season thread: change we can believe in!

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Well the Bills pick 1st today and almost a lock to draft a WR. Cards and Pats I have no idea their target.

 

[Roric]

nope , it'll be the JD supporters who ignored the stacked team he was on and ignored the weak team Maye was on who'll be making up excuses

drafting players is about projecting how they'll be at the next level and not who had the best most recent season because if was about taking the QB who had the best season JD would have gone 1st overall

i keep seeing the tape on JD and almost all of it was him having 5/6 seconds plus in a clean pocket before he makes he throws usually to a wide open receivers , he'll have no where near that time in the pros so hopefully for us his game translates at this level

anyway this being said it could be much much worse , i could be a Falcons fan wondering how much crack the guys running the draft had to smoke before they selected Penix Jr at 8 , lol

Let's just see how he does before immediately writing him off. These guys need the full support of the fanbase heading into the next level

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Day 2 NFL Mock Draft: Panthers pick CB Cooper DeJean in Round 2, QB Spencer Rattler lands with the Giants in Round 3 | NFL Draft | PFF

The first round of the 2024 NFL Draft is in the books, so now we’re here to take a swing at a Round 2 and Round 3 mock draft.

www.pff.com

Was curious if day 2 mocks are a thing and they are

I would not be happy with this mock for our picks

 

[Roric]

I'd give one of our 3rds for mayer

 

[Jags]

took rail thin Forbes which handed the Pats the much higher ranked Gonzales last yearand now took a one year wonder handing the Pats Maye

You're absolutely right about Forbes, but come on. This isn't remotely the same thing. EVERYONE is praising the pick. Even the pundits out there that preferred Maye are saying we got a special player at 2. It's time to start being a bit more fair about your comparison of these 2 guys. It helps to separate the running out, because he IS a very talented thrower with all the right instincts, and his anticipation took a big leap forward this year. The running is just a bonus, but one he has to curtail a bit.

lets hope your right , what i see him is as a guy who'll run around , make the odd exciting play but for the most part we'll be making excuses how he doesn't have anyone around him to be successful

We just got him a couple elite outlet options at RB and TE. That will help, and he does move in the pocket well when he doesn't pull it down. Maybe he pulls it down too much, but that overlooks the first part of that sentence -- he DOES move in the pocket well. He can do it, he just needs to adjust his tendencies.

And look at our O-line. It's better, but it doesn't figure to be great. We're going to need Daniels to create space for himself. So yes, he does need to protect himself, but we'll need his superpowers just as much. Finding that balance will be his journey; what he and the coaches need to sort out together.

My big issues with Daniels is still he takes sacks at an absurd rate (we just saw how well that goes with Sam), he doesn't utilize the middle of the field, and he's not someone who's shown the ability to pair his running with his throwing.

He throws on the run very well, just not as often as we'd like. Curbing that tendency shouldn't be all that difficult. He won't have to carry this team alone, and our offensive coaches are good. They won't let him get away with playing hero ball.

i keep seeing the tape on JD and almost all of it was him having 5/6 seconds plus in a clean pocket before he makes his perfect thrown usually to a wide open receivers

Here again with the hyperbole. That's not what you saw. When he had that kind of time to throw, it was almost always because he provided himself that time. The wide open receivers? Yeah, those dudes were great. But with Daniels' ability to extend plays and our receiving corps? I think we've got the tools to leverage some of the same things Daniels showed in college.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

nope , it'll be the JD supporters who ignored the stacked team he was on and ignored the weak team Maye was on who'll be making up excuses

drafting players is about projecting how they'll be at the next level and not who had the best most recent season because if was about taking the QB who had the best season JD would have gone 1st overall

i keep seeing the tape on JD and almost all of it was him having 5/6 seconds plus in a clean pocket before he makes he throws usually to a wide open receivers , he'll have no where near that time in the pros so hopefully for us his game translates at this level

anyway this being said it could be much much worse , i could be a Falcons fan wondering how much crack the guys running the draft had to smoke before they selected Penix Jr at 8 , lol

---

I’d get a replacement stopwatch, and watch more video….I see his throws getting out in 3/4 seconds or less, or he’s flushed from the pocket or chooses to take off…

 

[ynotcaps]

Again, folks can complain all they want. And guess what? Nobody cares what "you see." If you knew shit about shit you'd be in an NFL front office. (And, no, I don't any more shit about shit than you do.)

The team -- the guys who get paid based on expertise and a history of success -- pretty much unanimously decided on JD. As, it appears, did almost EVERY team in the draft.

So complaining that a league full of experts all disagree with your take? If that's what anyone wants to do, hey, knock yourself out. But it just looks like a tantrum. And the more people keep hammering the same broken drum, the worse it sounds.

 

[kicksavedave]

This is as much because he played a full 4 years then anything else.

Point is he's a polished and experienced pocket passer who can also run really well.

 

[ynotcaps]

I would not be happy with this mock for our picks

Agreed. NFL.com, Zielein has us taking DeJean and Suamataia in the second and J. Polk, T. Johnson and R. Green in the third. That would be a nice haul if it worked out that way.

 

[kicksavedave]

i keep seeing the tape on JD and almost all of it was him having 5/6 seconds plus in a clean pocket before he makes he throws usually to a wide open receivers , he'll have no where near that time in the pros so hopefully for us his game translates at this level

JD average time to throw on all drop backs was 2.91 seconds. Drake Maye was 2.79. Caleb Williams was 3.16. And pressure to sacks conversion was as follows: JD 20.2, DM 19.5 CW 23.2. And for those who think he's just a scrambling QB, JD had 55 undesigned runs. Drake Maye had... checks notes... yeah, he had 51 undesigned runs. A difference of about .2 times per game.

Day 2 NFL Mock Draft: Panthers pick CB Cooper DeJean in Round 2, QB Spencer Rattler lands with the Giants in Round 3 | NFL Draft | PFF

The first round of the 2024 NFL Draft is in the books, so now we’re here to take a swing at a Round 2 and Round 3 mock draft.

www.pff.com

Was curious if day 2 mocks are a thing and they are

This is awful. Zach Frazier goes 11 picks before JPJ? Someone is smoking crack.

 

[ynotcaps]

JD average time to throw on all drop backs was 2.91 seconds. Drake Maye was 2.79. Caleb Williams was 3.16. And pressure to sacks conversion was as follows: JD 20.2, DM 19.5 CW 23.2. And for those who think he's just a scrambling QB, JD had 55 undesigned runs. Drake Maye had... checks notes... yeah, he had 51 undesigned runs. A difference of about .2 times per game.



This is awful. Zach Frazier goes 11 picks before JPJ? Someone is smoking crack.

Dude -- is that all you've got? Data and facts???

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Agreed. NFL.com, Zielein has us taking DeJean and Suamataia in the second and J. Polk, T. Johnson and R. Green in the third. That would be a nice haul if it worked out that way.

That would be a strong day 2

 

[Ridley Simon]

Let’s go get it today. CB would be very smart. It’s a huge need. I also like S (Nubin). So many good options. Just hope they don’t reach.

 

[ynotcaps]

Let’s go get it today. CB would be very smart. It’s a huge need. I also like S (Nubin). So many good options. Just hope they don’t reach.

I've seen a couple of spots that have us skipping DeJean when he's available and taking a different CB AND another safety. If they do that somebody's getting punched . Likely a person standing on a corner, drinking out of a paper bag.

That said, I really do trust the new operation so I'll be down with whatever they do. (Practicing what I preach )

 

[g00n]

My biggest issue with Daniels isn’t so much rgiii regrets, it’s more of the fact running QBs have yet to win anything of substance. He’s described and talked about as a running QB.

Mahomes is mobile as hell though not run-first and he's the best QB in the league. Russell Wilson was the same way and won a SB and was runner up in another. Hurts made the SB 2 years ago and lost to Mahomes. Kaepernick was a good rusher and made the SB but lost. Cam Newton as well.

Over the last 12 seasons those guys account for 9 of the 24 starting QB slots. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady account for 7 of them.

The other 8 guys are

Joe Flacco (1 SB win),
Matt Ryan (1 SB loss, retiring),
Nick Foles (1 SB win, now hunting UFOs or something),
Jared Goff (1 SB loss with LAR, now in DET),
Jimmy Gorgonzolapolis (1 SB loss, selling cars and PEDs),
Joe Burrow (1 SB loss),
Matt Stafford (1 SB win vs Burrow), and
Brock Purdy (1 SB loss).

So there's a lot of one and done for "good but not elite" pocket passers, with most of the active ones losing. Repeat winners like Brady and Manning are now rare, apparently.

Does this mean anything? Probably not. But it might suggest the QB style isn't as important as we think.

 

[Chokingdogs]

I should have been more clear….
Running qb not same as mobile qb.

Mahomes, Wilson … mobile.

Jackson, Watson, rgiii…..going back Vick Cunningham….running

One group wins, the other doesn’t/hasn't.

If JD is in fact a pocket qb with exceptional running skilz…so be it, and that’s great. It’s not necessarily what I’ve been hearing past few weeks. Time to let it all play out.

 

[kicksavedave]

I should have been more clear….
Running qb not same as mobile qb.

Mahomes, Wilson … mobile.

Jackson, Watson, rgiii…..going back Vick Cunningham….running

One group wins, the other doesn’t/hasn't.

If JD is in fact a pocket qb with exceptional running skilz…so be it, and that’s great. It’s not necessarily what I’ve been hearing past few weeks. Time to let it all play out.

What is the actual definition, the actual difference, between a "running QB" and a "mobile QB"? Becuase it really just seems like the difference between these various names are that some are simply better than others, or had better teams, or worked better under pressure, than the others. But the style itself, while undefined, is not a real distinction in who can win SBs and who can't.

Most QBS cannot or have not won a SB. And their style has almost nothing to do with it. Brady won 7, P Manning played in 4, won 2, E manning won 2 more. Mahomes will probably come close to matching. Brady was a statue, 6 second 40 and whatnot. The Mannings were not mobile or runners. Mahomes is the new prototype. Style means little. Talent is intangible.

The prototype QB body is supposedly Josh Allen, who hasn't won shit. May is compared mostly to Allen or Herbert, who also hasn't won shit.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Ill looked at a few day 2 mock drafts and all of them are very different

 

[Ridley Simon]

Rumour out here is Skins will trade 36 for Deebo Samuels.

Not sure how I feel about that. Great player — but hurt a lot

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Rumour out here is Skins will trade 36 for Deebo Samuels.

Not sure how I feel about that. Great player — but hurt a lot

I would rather draft our own at 36

 

[ynotcaps]

Rumour out here is Skins will trade 36 for Deebo Samuels.

Not sure how I feel about that. Great player — but hurt a lot

Agreed. He's also not the different -- read, big -- type that we really need.

The strength of what's left at this point is really CB, and that's a lock-on match with one of biggest needs. That puts us in the sweet spot of the intersection of BPA Ave. & Need St. At least one of Kool Aid, DeJean or Rakestraw will be there -- and while he'd be limited to slot, I absolutely LOVE Sainristil. Makes plays all the damn time!

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

NFL mock draft 2024 for Rounds 2-3: Cooper DeJean & Kool-Aid McKinstry find homes, Seahawks snag Spencer Rattler | Sporting News

With Round 1 of the 2024 NFL Draft complete, here's taking a look at how Day 2 might play out with complete second- and third-round projections in one last mock draft.

www.sportingnews.com

Would be thrilled with this one as well

 

[Jags]

If JD is in fact a pocket qb with exceptional running skilz…so be it, and that’s great. It’s not necessarily what I’ve been hearing past few weeks.

Think about the time you've spent over the last weeks and months hearing what others say about Jayden Daniels. There's no need to speculate or listen to anyone else. Here's a video. 98 minutes. Every pass and run from last year. Decide for yourself. I promise it's not as cut and dry as ANYONE has made it out to be, either way.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’m done debating which QB they should have taken. Daniels is not a bad pick. At all.

Would I have loved to have pulled a Minnesota? Hell yes. But we didn’t, we went in a different direction, and I support it.

LFG on day 2!!

 

[kicksavedave]

The first round had few surprises. Penix was the first big one. No major reaches. I think this second round is going to be a big pile of surprises, reaches, dudes falling. I'm shocked as hell that JPJ fell out of the 1st, he was mocked in the 18-26 range universally, like 100%. I'll kick all the puppies if we pass on him twice, needs can be damned.