Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Dead Coyote]

Whoever drafts this kid is going to get a lot of goals, but I think that's where it ends, even though he thinks he's a 200 foot player. He's a sniper, but his dropping is due to him playing disinterested and just waiting for a pass. He's a faller, and fallers scare me. I'd place a heavy wager on BetMGM that BA won't draft him if that was a category.

It's obviously better that he plays two way, and it's true his defensive game isn't great.

But disinterested? Waiting for a pass?

He tends to hang around in the offensive zone and cheat a bit, but that's pretty much the extent of it. He covers for his d-men, wins puck battles, isn't afraid to go to the middle (which isn't really his game but he's always ready to do it) and does a good job anticipating the play. His stickwork defensively is also pretty good.

The way he's playing right now is possible because he's in the NTDP and has been told to be more selfish by his coach. But his skills are extremely projectable, moreso than anyone maybe bar Michkov that I've ever seen (yes obviously Bedard and Celebrini are better prospects) and he isn't a liability defensively. He hustles and works hard when he needs to. There's probably some times he could stand to not cheat as much, but just because he isn't playing at 100 every shift doesn't mean he's not interested. It's the same reason Ovi is still out there scoring goals (and being a freak of nature).

He also isn't just a sniper, definitely what he's best at but his playmaking certaiinly isn't bad and he's an intelligent guy.

He's also pretty big for his size, so I'm hoping we see a growth spurt since he's so young and another couple inches. But even as is now I think he's the next Ovechkin. I don't know how you pass that up. Would be like Hayton all over again.

EDIT: Also dunno if you can really call him a faller when the top guys still have him in the top 5. Guess we'll see as rankings develop...but almost EoS by now.

 

[rt]

I haven’t seen more than a few games of Eiserman this season. I do find myself agreeing more with his critics than his advocates though.

 

[Matias Maccete]

I want no part of Eiserman. Not only does he not play a complete game, from recent quotes he thinks he does. The lack of awareness is scarier than the lack of two way play. I think BA stays far away, when you look at players he's drafted they often list what they need to get better at.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I want no part of Eiserman. Not only does he not play a complete game, from recent quotes he thinks he does. The lack of awareness is scarier than the lack of two way play. I think BA stays far away, when you look at players he's drafted they often list what they need to get better at.

This...it's scary if he really believes he plays a 2-way game.

 

[avco]

Interesting mock draft.

2024 NHL Mock Draft: Macklin Celebrini Headlines 2-Round End of March Update - Bleacher Nation

Let's take another run at the first two rounds of the 2024 NHL Draft.

www.bleachernation.com

 

[rt]

I ran some numbers, going back to 2010. Fifteen years including this draft. Looking at top 15 pick D by league.

In the NCAA there have six picks (Oleksiak, Hanifin, Werenski, McAvoy, Hughes, and Power).
Q. Hughes had the most points (29) and best points per game at (0.78).
The average NCAA D T15 pick over this span was picked 8th, played 35 games, had 5g 17a 22pts (0.62ppg).
Levshunov has 37gp 9g 26a 35p (0.95ppg). 2nd best.
Z.Buium has 39gp 11g 37a 48pts(1.23ppg). 1st best.

In the WHL there have been 19 picks (including Rielly, Jones, Morrissey, Provorov, and Byram).
B. Byram had the most points (71) and the best points per game at (1.06).
The average WHL D T15 over this span was picked 8th, played 61 games, had 12g 37a 49pts (0.80ppg).
Yakemchuk has 66gp 30g 41a 71p (1.08ppg). 1st best.

In the OHL there have been 12 picks (including Fowler, Hamilton, Nurse, Ekblad, and Sergachev).
E. Bouchard had the most points (87) and the best points per game at (1.29).
The average OHL D T15 picked over this span was picked 9th, played 59 games, had 15g 40a 55pts (0.93ppg).
Dickinson has 68gp 18g 52a 70p (1.03ppg). 3rd best.
Z. Parekh has 66gp 33g 63a 96p (1.46ppg). 1st best.

 

[rt]

^ when you actually see all the names over this span, it gets one extremely impressive.

The fact that all five of these players are in the same draft is mind boggling. It’s unprecedented.

 

[Kaizen]

Interesting mock draft.

2024 NHL Mock Draft: Macklin Celebrini Headlines 2-Round End of March Update - Bleacher Nation

Let's take another run at the first two rounds of the 2024 NHL Draft.

www.bleachernation.com

Tripling down on the Russian pipeline.

 

[rt]

Interesting mock draft.

2024 NHL Mock Draft: Macklin Celebrini Headlines 2-Round End of March Update - Bleacher Nation

Let's take another run at the first two rounds of the 2024 NHL Draft.

www.bleachernation.com

I’d be extremely happy if we got Surin in the 2nd. I’d be overjoyed. Also happy with the Silayev and Solberg picks. That would be a great draft.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I want Alfon Freij with one of our 2nd rounders
I want Stian Solberg with another one of our 2nd rounders
I want Andrew Basha with another one of our 2nd rounders

 

[rt]

My favorite 2nd round candidates are Surin, Miettinen, Solberg, Letourneau, Brunicke, Lavoie, Marrelli, Howe, Wetsch, Thorpe, and O’Reilly. I’m sure Im forgetting some.

 

[rt]

I ran some numbers, going back to 2010. Fifteen years including this draft. Looking at top 15 pick D by league.

In the NCAA there have six picks (Oleksiak, Hanifin, Werenski, McAvoy, Hughes, and Power).
Q. Hughes had the most points (29) and best points per game at (0.78).
The average NCAA D T15 pick over this span was picked 8th, played 35 games, had 5g 17a 22pts (0.62ppg).
Levshunov has 37gp 9g 26a 35p (0.95ppg). 2nd best.
Z.Buium has 39gp 11g 37a 48pts(1.23ppg). 1st best.

In the WHL there have been 19 picks (including Rielly, Jones, Morrissey, Provorov, and Byram).
B. Byram had the most points (71) and the best points per game at (1.06).
The average WHL D T15 over this span was picked 8th, played 61 games, had 12g 37a 49pts (0.80ppg).
Yakemchuk has 66gp 30g 41a 71p (1.08ppg). 1st best.

In the OHL there have been 12 picks (including Fowler, Hamilton, Nurse, Ekblad, and Sergachev).
E. Bouchard had the most points (87) and the best points per game at (1.29).
The average OHL D T15 picked over this span was picked 9th, played 59 games, had 15g 40a 55pts (0.93ppg).
Dickinson has 68gp 18g 52a 70p (1.03ppg). 3rd best.
Z. Parekh has 66gp 33g 63a 96p (1.46ppg). 1st best.

London GF: 322
Dickinson Pts: 70
21.74%

Saginaw GF: 303
Z. Parekh Pts: 96
31.68%

Calgary GF: 250
Yakemchuk: 71
28.40%

Denver GF: 198
Z. Buium Pts: 49
24.75%

Mich. St. GF: 145
Levshunov Pts: 35
24.14%

 

[lanky]

London GF: 322
Dickinson Pts: 70
21.74%

Saginaw GF: 303
Z. Parekh Pts: 96
31.68%

Calgary GF: 250
Yakemchuk: 71
28.40%

Denver GF: 198
Z. Buium Pts: 49
24.75%

Mich. St. GF: 145
Levshunov Pts: 35
24.14%

Bill Armstrong:
With the 2nd overall pick, the Coyotes are proud to select Cayden Lindstrom from the Medicine Hat Tigers.

 

[rt]

Bill Armstrong:
With the 2nd overall pick, the Coyotes are proud to select Cayden Lindstrom from the Medicine Hat Tigers.

I could see it. I said that same thing to @Grimes over a bowl of Pho just last week. Lol.

 

[gorsk11]

I don't think BA drafts someone from North America with his 1dt pick unless they really wantcto be a Coyotes

 

[rt]

I don't think BA drafts someone from North America with his 1dt pick unless they really wantcto be a Coyotes

Buium is from Southern California. Does that accomplish the same thing?

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

ok...pre-playoff top 32

1 - Celebrini
2 - Demidov
3 - Levshunov
4 - Silayev
5 - Yakemchuk
6 - Lindstrom
7 - Dickenson
8 - Parekh
9 - Eiserman
10 - Catton
11 - Helenius
12 - Hage
13 - Connelly
14 - Brandsegg-Nygard
15 - Boisvert
16 - Iginla
17 - Buium
18 - Greentree
19 - Parascak
20 - Jiricek
21 - Badinka
22 - Chernyshov
23 - Freij
24 - Gridin
25 - Pettersson
26 - Wallenius
27 - Basha
28 - Pulkkinen
29 - Hemming
30 - Sennecke
31 - Masse
32 - Mews

 

[Dead Coyote]

I want no part of Eiserman. Not only does he not play a complete game, from recent quotes he thinks he does. The lack of awareness is scarier than the lack of two way play. I think BA stays far away, when you look at players he's drafted they often list what they need to get better at.

That just isn't true. Do you have sources and quotes for this?

He's repeatedly said that he's working on his two way game and that he wants to get better at it. It's also something he's acknowledged he has trouble with and that his coach is helping him work on.

 

[PHX FireBirds18]

^ when you actually see all the names over this span, it gets one extremely impressive.

The fact that all five of these players are in the same draft is mind boggling. It’s unprecedented.

Curious if you could run the #’s somewhere, but scoring seems up world wide. Wonder how the jump in scoring may be impacting those stats. Not trying to discredit their accomplishments just trying to make them work in my head.

 

[rt]

Curious if you could run the #’s somewhere, but scoring seems up world wide. Wonder how the jump in scoring may be impacting those stats. Not trying to discredit their accomplishments just trying to make them work in my head.

Levshunov is 50% greater than the he average draft eligible top 15 pick NCAA D and Buium is twice as high as average. Making them top two in that span.

Yakemchuk is 30% over the average for the WHL. Number one in the sample.

Scoring is up. Not like that. Fifteen years is a large sample. I’m sure there have been up and down years in that time.

 

[rt]

The sample size in the NCAA is easier. So I can do spot check version of this exercise quickly and on my phone. Lol. I’m home alone from Easter Sunday family party with illness anyhow.

Buium and Levshunov are the 1st and 2nd leading scorers on their teams and both have registered a point on 25% of their teams total goals.

In McAvoy’s draft year he was 6th in team scoring. He had a less than 20% point share.

Werenski was 7th in team scoring and had a 17% point share.

Hughes was 3rd and had 21% share.

 

[rt]

——
WHL is tougher to spot check. But Calgary is 11th in goals in a 22 team league. Yakemchuk is their second leading point getter, leading goal scorer, and he has a 28% scoring share. Heck, he’s scored 1/8 of all their goals himself. A draft eligible defenseman. It’s nuts.

And going back to the start of my sample (09/10 season) the Hitmen had 8% more goals that year than they did this year.

 

[rt]

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All of this is only to provide some context to my claim that this is a truly special draft class of defensemen. The quality and quantity of the D available in this class is unprecedented. This is great news for the coyotes who seem to be heading into a position to get one of their favorite three of the top six D available.

 

[Matias Maccete]

That just isn't true. Do you have sources and quotes for this?

He's repeatedly said that he's working on his two way game and that he wants to get better at it. It's also something he's acknowledged he has trouble with and that his coach is helping him work on.

From a recent interview, I don't have it bookmarked. Feel free to not believe me.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Actually hold on I found it.

Behind Cole Eiserman, the 2024 NHL Draft's complicated top scorer

As a person and as a player, Eiserman — a projected top pick in this year’s NHL Draft — has often been often misunderstood and miscast.

theathletic.com

“I think I have a pretty well-rounded game, it just gets overlooked because of how much I score. It’s almost one of those things where the scoring rates work against you (…) And my 200-foot game from last year has gotten really good. My coaches are saying that it’s definitely not a problem anymore and it’s perfect.”

"it's perfect" is a very scary mindset.