Goalfield22
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Helenius sounds like a rich man's Lehkonen that shoots right and can play C. He can also play in the AHL next year, which is a real bonus.
HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread
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Michkov and Bedard were compared going years back, and widely considered close to neck and neck before their draft years where Michkov didn't get as much exposure and hit pieces came out about his "attitude problems".
I still think Bedard was better, but he was an easy number 2, and IMO would be slightly above Demidov (who I have in a tier with Celebrini this year).
Yes, you have to rank the players because that's the way the draft works. But that doesn't remove the fact that there's not much that separates some of these players. You can't make that accurate predictions, like if you think one guy is going be a "star defenseman" and the other "star forward", how do you make that decision in a "vacuum" not caring about organizational need?
If we were talking about "star defenseman" vs "possible top 6 guy", then of course. Or a "franchise player" vs "star player". But if the scouts determine that they are in the same tier, that there's no clear answer, how do you make that final ranking?
Kent Nilsson
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I don’t claim to know how teams operate but I think it would be a spectacular waste of foresight to not commit to ranking each player individually, especially with a top5 pick. Top 5 picks are so incredibly valuable, you waste an entire season to get one and making the right pick can alter the course of your franchise for 15+ years. And we’re here saying all LDs are DND because of Struble and Xhekaj. How do you determine the ranking ? Eye test. What scouts do.
It is known that in 2017 the Flyers scouts had Cale Makar ahead of Nolan Patrick but Paul Holmgren decided to disregard them and go Patrick anyway. Did they have them in the “same tier” or did Holmgren believe “might aswell throw my dart at a center” ?
I don't have that solid a view on any of the prospects, I'm not saying "Buium or bust." If Hughes and his scouts think that at their spot, when they are on the clock, that there is only one player left who projects to be a difference maker they should take that player regardless of position. If they think it is close I expect they will avoid the LDs and consider team fit.
In most drafts there are a few players at the top considered to be special. You don't skip those guys because of position, though, if you are lucky, you can choose between them. The habs seem to be pretty good at projecting defensemen, if they see a franchise guy they have to take him, at least unless they also see a potential franchise forward. Asset management is pretty important but not as important as acquiring the best 4-5 players who are going to carry your team. Complementary players, like Lekhonen, will look way better or way worse depending on those few guys.
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BPA is not an accurate term either, BAA is more realistic, Best Asset Available. Have heard many GMs talk about how hard it is to get Cs or RHDs in trades/ free agency so there’s a supply/demand premium put on those positions over wingers that should be BPA in many cases but fall
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The great thing this year and with AZ coming in clutch again.
Is even if we miss on Demidov who's comfortably ahead of the rest, we still get to potentially line up a freakish trio of Slaf, Lindstrom, Dach in the top 6 - something we'd never dare dream of during the MB days.
Imagine being the Bruins or Leafs and having to line up against that in a best of 7 series.
Is even if we miss on Demidov who's comfortably ahead of the rest, we still get to potentially line up a freakish trio of Slaf, Lindstrom, Dach in the top 6 - something we'd never dare dream of during the MB days.
Imagine being the Bruins or Leafs and having to line up against that in a best of 7 series.
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Game of telephone went from Hextall ignoring Heiskanen to Holmgren ignoring Makar.
Draft eligible 21 year old. Incredible KHL numbers
Easy for me to say because I don’t know what really happened in that room with the Flyers but I don’t get GM/Owners that override their scouting department. Like your organization is spending millions on dollars on those people to fly all over the world and spend countless of hours scouting these prospects. If they tell you after all that player X is who we want and you say no, I want this guy, why ?
I feel like over the years I read so many horror stories of GM/Owner overruling their scouting department just for it to be a bad mistake. Not just in the NHL, but I follow most team sports and it seems to happens everywhere. Best example recently the NBA Kings owner overruling his team when they wanted Doncic. Instead he insisted on Bagley who’s now a bench player for the worst team in the league meanwhile Doncic is on franchise GOAT trajectory.
I’m sure there’s also example of GM/owner overruling and it worked out but we rarely hear about those.
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KevSkillz4
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If Habs ends up with one of Celebrini, Lindstrom, Demidov, Iginla or Catton, I'm a happy man!
Spearmint Rhino
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That’s not limited to just Sports, I’m sure we have all worked for bosses that couldn’t find their asses with both hands in the dark that make incredibly dumb decisions due to narcissistic personalities.
Oh for sure.
Now to be fair it’s a bit different for owners. If I spent billions of dollars to buy a team, damn right we’re drafting whoever I want.
Now if I overrule the drafting department and my player becomes a bum while the player you guys recommended me becomes a beast for another team I’m firing all of you. How could you let this happen??? You should have down a better job convincing me to draft that guy!
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Truth be told, everyone of our defencemen, current or prospective, other than Hutson, is expendable.
But such an approach is the essence of good asset management: the acquisition of superior talent that adds to your pool of talent who can either directly improve your team or who provides valuable/marketable assets that can be moved for other valuable assets that your team is lacking.
This is the reason that I can't understand those who are threatening to abandon the team if Hughes and Company draft another defenceman at 5 OA. Drafting the best player available is, and remains, an unimpeachable strategy.
But as has been discussed here at length, “BPA” is an amorphous, not easy to define, and fluid concept.
Lockin17
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Reinbacher will be a lot better then Mailloux.
Danm he's allready better and 2 years younger, you can't compare the 2 like that.
Mailloux is but not Reinbacher
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And got AJ Spellacy.
You can see I added a lot of size and took a mystery Russian. To me anyways
Spearmint Rhino
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Demidov or Lindstrom would be a dream….Celebrini is a dream in Technicolor
Bleacher Report’s latest mock draft has Catton going 20th overall. They clearly hate small people too.
Good. Bleacher Report know what they’re talking about! Spread the propaganda that Catton is too small.
Then let us pick him up with our 2nd first rounder.
Why debate Lindstrom vs Catton when you can have them both.
