Much better skater than Dvorsky, higher motor and pace.
I dont see Helenius as a limited upside player, because he is more NHL ready than Catton doesnt mean one has more upside than the other. Helenius might still keep imrpoving and get better at everything.Many times "safe and/or predictable" players move up because franchises and staff know what they are going to get. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and something I actually kind of like. I'm at the point now with our team and where we sit, I think we can afford to maybe reach a little and go for the higher upside on a top 6 guy rather than know what we're pretty much going to get.
Yep I would say Dvorsky edges Helenius in the shooting category, but not by much, Helenius still can shot very well.Seems to me Dvorsky has the better shot tho. I could be wrong.
He mightI dont see Helenius as a limited upside player, because he is more NHL ready than Catton doesnt mean one has more upside than the other. Helenius might still keep imrpoving and get better at everything.
Had him ranked 6th last draft.Interesting insight @Goldenhands , I see Dvorsky pretty often in Sudbury and he's a heck of a player
At #5 OA, generally you look for a top line C, a high scoring winger or a 1st pair D.Yep He likely ends up third or 4th best foward on Bobby Mac final list. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets some votes over Demidov and Lindstrom.
He had 2nd place votes from 5 of 10 NHL scouts/execs on Bobby Mac's mid-year poll and nobody had him lower than 6th.I think the big Russian will be the first Russian off the board. I know nobody likes him, but he's going to be highly sought after.
They won’t.He had 2nd place votes from 5 of 10 NHL scouts/execs on Bobby Mac's mid-year poll and nobody had him lower than 6th.
This place will crash for days if the Habs take him with their 1st pick.
They won’t.
Should Habs draft Dean Letourneau (C) with the late first round pick?
High risk, high reward.
I didn’t really follow the Euro players, for the exception of highlights and highlights don’t tell the whole story.The amator scouting community is deeply sleeping on Helenius lol, kid is centering Finland top line against sweden today in an exhibition game leading to the WC, he is also on the top PP unit, had 2 very good scoring chances after 1. Recrutes has him 13th LMAO, I would considere him 2nd OV.
Not sure how we could draft #3?Drafting odds
58.2% chance of drafting 6th or 7th
Not sure how we could draft #3?
Yep, only Philly.Team wins the lotto for 1 from more than 10 spots back, then Habs win the 2nd lotto.
That'd be quite something if PHI drafted Michkov AND Demidov - exciting but also enraging, to say the least.Yep, only Philly.
If Philly wins the 1st lottery and Montreal wins the 2nd lottery then Montreal picks at #3.
I doubt they'd pick Demidov at 2That'd be quite something if PHI drafted Michkov AND Demidov - exciting but also enraging, to say the least.
I'm sooo behind on this draft class I thought Kiviharju was still a top 5 pick.
Sorry man, edit: I was wrong.At #5 OA, generally you look for a top line C, a high scoring winger or a 1st pair D.
Is Helenius a #1 C in the NHL? Everybody can see the floor, but is that a case of a young player with a mature game performing well against man or is there really a #1 C in there?
Production in Liiga is in the Lundell range (0.71 vs 0.64 PPG). I was also not a fan of Lundell in his draft year, and ended up about where I thought he should (#12). Looked like safe pick at the time, and he'll be a good #2/#3 C probably for a long time.
I think he's a #2 C ultimately, I don't see the elite flashes I'd want in a top offensive C. He works hard and he's agile, but I don't the great top speed, dynamic abilities or the top notch offensive vision I'd look for in a somewhat small #1 C. He's no Brayden Point.
He'll get picked early (McKenzie's poll had him at #8 I think and I doubt many jumped over him beside Buium, Parekh and maybe Iginla/Yakemchuk), I just hope not by Montreal at #5-7.
I'd 10/10 for a potential franchise D like Dickinson, Levshunov or Buium over prospect like Helenius at #5-7 OA, but that is me.
Sorry man, this post is way off. Helenius's production is significantly higher than Lundell's - you're referencing Lundell's D+1.
Lundell in his draft year was at 0.5PPG (38gp/19pts) for the regular season and 0.0PPG (12gp/0pts) in the playoffs.
Helenius in his draft year is at .705PPG (51gp/36pts) for the regular season and 1.0PPG (6gp/6pts) in the playoffs.
Huh? Am I way off base in thinking his skating is just pretty good? He's strong on his skates, don't get me wrong, and pretty agile, but he doesn't have a great first step and his top speed isn't near the best skaters in the draft in my viewings.Kid is a fantastic skater, one of the best in the draft.
Sorry, you're correct about the draft year stats That's my b. Edited my post to reflect their stats accurately.Lundell was drafted in 2020.
In his draft year, 2019-2020, he had 28 points in 44 with HIFK in Liiga, which represents 0.64 PPG.
You are talking about his D-1 (2018-2019) where he had 19 points in 38 games with HIFK in Liiga. He also had 15 points in 10 games that year with the HIFK U20 squad.
You coming here telling me my post is "WAY OFF" because I would have taken D+1 stats is, well... I'll let you decide for yourself. Is it way off?
As for the rest, I stand with my eye test evaluation. Feel free to have another opinion.