NFL: 2024 NFL draft discussion thread, Draft begins 4/25 8pm, 4/26 6pm, 4/27 12pm

[Breakers]

Brooooooooo
hahahahahah

A gm casually saying I think it would be great if he sat for 4 years



Arthur Blank who is awesome needs to fire these clowns.

 

[GKJ]

Brooooooooo
hahahahahah

A gm casually saying I think it would be great if he sat for 4 years



Arthur Blank who is awesome needs to fire these clowns.

Arthur Blank is the one who wanted this

 

[GKJ]

Tony Khan doing an interview on NFL network in kayfabe

 

[Troy McClure]

Who knows how Mahomes career would have turned out had he not sat a year. It certainly helps being drafted to an already playoff contender.

It used to be QBs would sit for a year and learn but with money trumping all, teams can't afford to deal with impatient fanbases clamoring for a savior. Public pressure is too great to let coaching staffs and front office be as patient as they want to be. Bryce Young,for example, shouldn't have been starting at all last year, especially with the team surrounding him.

My guess is Mahomes playing as a rookie gets us this exact same player. The only difference is he'd have another season of stats compiled on top of what he has now.

 

[StreetHawk]

Who knows how Mahomes career would have turned out had he not sat a year. It certainly helps being drafted to an already playoff contender.

It used to be QBs would sit for a year and learn but with money trumping all, teams can't afford to deal with impatient fanbases clamoring for a savior. Public pressure is too great to let coaching staffs and front office be as patient as they want to be. Bryce Young,for example, shouldn't have been starting at all last year, especially with the team surrounding him.

Then it was a mistake to trade up for him. Can't be giving the kid nothing to work with.

Probably why Maye in NE will sit for most of 2024 season. Probably gets starts around US Thanksgiving so that he has reps at NFL game speed for 2025 season.

Thing with QBs also is that a lot of them are coming out early. Just 3 years in college vs 4 or 5 before. They don't RS 1-2 years and start for 3 years. They, like Maye/McCarthy come out after 25-27 starts vs 35-38. Look at the difference between the 2 sets of trios. 21 and younger ones and the 5 year starters in Nix, Daniels, Penix.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Brooooooooo
hahahahahah

A gm casually saying I think it would be great if he sat for 4 years



Arthur Blank who is awesome needs to fire these clowns.

WTH would make you think Arthur Blank is awesome and that he didn't want this to happen. Easily one of the worst owners in the league.

 

[GKJ]

My guess is Mahomes playing as a rookie gets us this exact same player. The only difference is he'd have another season of stats compiled on top of what he has now.

He has natural instincts and an uncanny clutch gene. It’s strange to say given what’s been accomplished, but the things he excels at most could only have been deteriorated by sitting. Is everyone committed to that if Alex Smith gets hurt? No chance. Almost definitely costs them a Super Bowl having done it, which few will argue now because of a significant confirmation bias.

 

[Scomerica]

The Falcons will come out on the right side of history with Penix. Guy is a winner and probably should have won the heisman. Injury free the last 2 years. I watched him every week at UW.

I think the Nix pick costs Sean Payton his job eventually. I think they could have moved down and still got him and I question if he has an nfl arm.

I think Maye busts due to the situation, i'm not sold on JJ McCarthy, I still think he's a better Daniel Jones (although in a good situation with the Vikings coach).

The Bears had some night.

 

[GKJ]

The Falcons will come out on the right side of history with Penix. Guy is a winner and probably should have won the heisman. Injury free the last 2 years. I watched him every week at UW.

I think the Nix pick costs Sean Payton his job eventually. I think hey could have moved down and still got him.

The Bears had some night.

They couldn’t risk it if he’s the last of the quarterbacks and you have teams behind you that could get him.

Sean Payton also has never given a shit about extra picks.

 

[StreetHawk]

They couldn’t risk it if he’s the last of the quarterbacks and you have teams behind you that could get him.

Sean Payton also has never given a shit about extra picks.

Supposedly Rams wanted to go up to grab Bowers, so Denver would be the last pick before LV. Would mean Denver drops to 19. With LV, NO, Sea, behind him. Or some other club moving up to jump Denver at 19. Never just, the teams just in front of you, also have to consider another club jumping up.

That's why there's never a certainty that you can trade down in a draft. You probably can, just a question of whether you will be able to get the guy you are targeting or whether you are ok taking between 1 of 2 or 3 guys by dropping down 3-7 spots in the draft. Titans would not know be certain that they could land Latham if they move back behind NYJ for example. Would have to be comfortable taking Fashanu or Fuaga or someone else if the draft unfolds against them.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

By how many people? Not saying it’s zero, I know it’s not but it was obvious what was going on during the draft process. Any of the draftniks who didn’t see what was happening outsmarted themselves.

Peter Schraeger, Daniel Jeremiah, Pete Prisco, Charlie Campbell/Walter Football, a wide ranging array of people who are either trusted or maybe not as much all had all 6 QB’s comfortably in round 1. A few had the Broncos trading down into the 20’s to get Nix.

I’m not even in the mock draft cycle but there’s no good reason anyone should be surprised, we were being told by people who know that know that it was happening.

I don't think anyone is surprised by all 6 going, just that the latter 3 went 8-12 instead of the mid 20s.

Buffalo has had all day to trade back....again

If they don't trade back again I think they made a mistake trading out of the first round. They didn't pick up much from the Panthers, but will lose the 5th year player option.

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't think anyone is surprised by all 6 going, just that the latter 3 went 8-12 instead of the mid 20s.


If they don't trade back again I think they made a mistake trading out of the first round. They didn't pick up much from the Panthers, but will lose the 5th year player option.

End of the day, if the player is really good, they get signed after year 3. Can press guys into the 5th year option, like SF with Aiyuk, but that may not be good for long term relationship.

I'm sure they have been spending these hours before round 2 talking to teams about trading down. With all trade downs, is there someone they truly want to get or are they fine with any of 2-3 players?

 

[southsideIrish]

I think more people are surprised with the Buffalo move in that they helped the Chiefs, their nemesis, get a really good player.

 

[TheBeard]

Then it was a mistake to trade up for him. Can't be giving the kid nothing to work with.

Probably why Maye in NE will sit for most of 2024 season. Probably gets starts around US Thanksgiving so that he has reps at NFL game speed for 2025 season.

Thing with QBs also is that a lot of them are coming out early. Just 3 years in college vs 4 or 5 before. They don't RS 1-2 years and start for 3 years. They, like Maye/McCarthy come out after 25-27 starts vs 35-38. Look at the difference between the 2 sets of trios. 21 and younger ones and the 5 year starters in Nix, Daniels, Penix.

Well, then is JJ starting in Minnesota or is it Darnold?

 

[StreetHawk]

Well, then is JJ starting in Minnesota or is it Darnold?

Williams, Daniels, and maybe Nix start. Maye, McCarthy sit for most of the season. Penix, because he landed in ATL ends up sitting.

Now, if things go off the rails for Minny and Darnold is NYJ Darnold, then Minny will have to play JJ sometime in Oct.

 

[TheBeard]

I don't think anyone is surprised by all 6 going, just that the latter 3 went 8-12 instead of the mid 20s.


If they don't trade back again I think they made a mistake trading out of the first round. They didn't pick up much from the Panthers, but will lose the 5th year player option.

I think they're trying to trade the pick for Higgins, which would be appropriate because I believe Tee was the first pick of the 2nd round his draft year.

 

[StreetHawk]

Higgins is good. If I'm Buffalo, I'm doing what I can to only move my own 2nd at around pick 60. At 33, probably look to replace White with DeJean at CB if I can make the Higgins deal.

 

[Donnie740]

What has Poles done recently to doubt him?

Chargers desperately need their Pacua find

Badly overpaying and giving up a 2nd round pick for Chase Claypool

Badly underselling and only getting a 6th round pick for Justin Fields

Couldn’t get a deal done with Roquan Smith then gave him away for a 2nd and a 5th

Passing on Jalen Carter who was clearly a superior player and settling for Darnell Wright

Reaching horribly for Velus Jones in the 3rd round

 

[Breakers]

WTH would make you think Arthur Blank is awesome and that he didn't want this to happen. Easily one of the worst owners in the league.

And why is he one of the worst owners league?

 

[Fish on The Sand]

End of the day, if the player is really good, they get signed after year 3. Can press guys into the 5th year option, like SF with Aiyuk, but that may not be good for long term relationship.

I'm sure they have been spending these hours before round 2 talking to teams about trading down. With all trade downs, is there someone they truly want to get or are they fine with any of 2-3 players?

They get signed after year 3, but the big money generally doesn't kick in until year 6.

Mahomes, Allen, and Burrow all played on their option, so if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for everyone.

 

[TheAngryHank]

I think more people are surprised with the Buffalo move in that they helped the Chiefs, their nemesis, get a really good player.

Dude is a dropper , but as a Bills fan I couldn't understand why they would even pick up a call from KC

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

I dont get the Penix uproar.
Nobody expects Cousins to finish his contract. He's 35. if Penix sits and learns for 2 years, he is in a position to reach whatever his potential as an NFL QB will be.

if he busts? oh well it happens. they didn't mortgage the future to draft him. but if they think he is the guy, then do it.

the Bijan pick last year was worse. not that he's bad, but you can get RB's anywhere.

In theory you're right, but the counter argument is you don't give Kirk Cousins 100m guarnateed to "win now" and then draft someone that doesn't help the team accomplish that in the short term.

 

[DaaaaB's]

And why is he one of the worst owners league?

Because he doesn't let his GM do his job. A good owner wouldn't interfere like that.

 

[StreetHawk]

In theory you're right, but the counter argument is you don't give Kirk Cousins 100m guarnateed to "win now" and then draft someone that doesn't help the team accomplish that in the short term.

Similar to Love and AR. If you have AR for 2-3 more years, then you think let's get someone who can contribute on the field during those 2-3 years and deal with the QB later. See how it turns out.

For Penix, this likely means he's playing year 3 and 4 of his rookie deal and on the 5th year option. Still gives him 3 years to perform well enough to earn a 2nd contract. Whether you played 60 starts like Carr or 7 like Jimmy G, they both ended up with the almost the same contract after their rookie deal.

Take the time to learn the offense and be ready to hit the ground running when your time is called.

 

[sneakytitz]

Because he doesn't let his GM do his job. A good owner wouldn't interfere like that.

But it's what Raheem and Terry wanted? And he, apparently, loved the idea too? What is the issue here?