2024 Draft Discussion

[ricky0034]

I remember the Ovechkin story and believed it had no merit; it was tied to the orthodox calendar, I believe. But the much bigger issue with the bure pick was that detroit tried to draft him a round earlier, or so I'm lead to believe. As I remember it, we asked "hey can we draft this kid? We think he's eligible." The nhl said no. And a round or 2 later Vancouver didn't ask and just drafted him, and so it stood. Further proof that it's always easier to ask for forgivenes, rather then permission. Just imagine sergie and pavel together, like in juniors!!! I mean before the Kournikova stuff of course.

supposedly after being told no in the 5th the Wings were planning on doing just that in the 6th and selecting him and settling the eligibility later but Vancouver picked 3 picks earlier

the funny thing about that whole Bure situation that looks pretty silly with how it all turned out is that all that eligibility stuff was only for drafting him after the 3rd round, any team in the league could have drafted him in the first 3 rounds even without those extra games Vancouver found proof of but nobody wanted to use a 3rd round pick on him let alone a 2nd or 1st

 

[Frk It]

I see Zayne Parekh as a polarizing prospect in this draft.
Someone could take him top 5 because his offensive abilities and production are off the charts. But I also wouldn’t bat an eye if Parekh Slides out of the top 25 towards the end of the 1st round.

I’d compare him to Tony DeAngelo in some ways. The Massive gifts offensively are tantalizing…. But can be a mess defensively. And plays like a headcase with zero discipline.

I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t go top 15. I don’t think he has the issues that Deangelo did, on ice or otherwise.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I see Zayne Parekh as a polarizing prospect in this draft.
Someone could take him top 5 because his offensive abilities and production are off the charts. But I also wouldn’t bat an eye if Parekh Slides out of the top 25 towards the end of the 1st round.

I’d compare him to Tony DeAngelo in some ways. The Massive gifts offensively are tantalizing…. But can be a mess defensively. And plays like a headcase with zero discipline.

I don't think he has even a 1/16 of the baggage that DeAngelo had at that age. He is an offensive defensemen who plays for a coach who allows him to take a lot of risks and perhaps struggles at times defensively. Nothing more than that. Personally, I don't even think his discipline is all that bad. I don't see him as cut from the same cloth as DeAngelo or Merkley if that is what you are after. I would be shocked if he is there at 15.

 

[jkutswings]

Bobby Mac's top 15:

Bob McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking: An 'unpredictable ride' after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

Ten out of 10 NHL club team scouts surveyed in the past week by TSN have Macklin Celebrini as the undisputed No. 1 draft prospect. Beyond Celebrini, though? Buckle up.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Frk It]

Bobby Mac's top 15:

Bob McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking: An 'unpredictable ride' after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

Ten out of 10 NHL club team scouts surveyed in the past week by TSN have Macklin Celebrini as the undisputed No. 1 draft prospect. Beyond Celebrini, though? Buckle up.

www.tsn.ca

Would happily take any of those players ranked 10-15. Also not shocked MBN was not listed here, despite the love affair this board his with him for some reason.

 

[schuelma24]

Just my best WAG on who might be available at #15..I'll say one of Eiserman, Sennecke, and Brandsegg-Nygård.

 

[Christien]

Pretty standard list. The first thing I noticed was Connelly at 15, and I realized MBN was missing. Seems good for us. Isn't it kind of odd, considering MBN just had a strong showing recently?

 

[Frk It]

Pretty standard list. First thing I noticed was Connelly at 15 and realized MBN was missing. Seems good for us.

I'd rather draft one of the players listed here. We should be able to get one of them.

 

[Christien]

I'd rather draft one of the players listed here. We should be able to get one of them.

For sure - it's good for us all around. I like the top ~15 players in this draft.

 

[schuelma24]

For sure - it's good for us all around. I like the top ~15 players in this draft.

I'd rather stay away from Eiserman and Connelly. It would be awesome if Helenius or Catton fell because of size concerns..

 

[Christien]

I'd rather stay away from Eiserman and Connelly. It would be awesome if Helenius or Catton fell because of size concerns..

Helenius or Catton would be awesome. I'd actually be pretty stoked about Eiserman at 15, this team could really use his goal scoring ability

 

[schuelma24]

Helenius or Catton would be awesome. I'd actually be pretty stoked about Eiserman at 15, this team could really use his goal-scoring ability

I keep going back and forth on Eiserman. Lots of red flags ... and yet - all he does is score goals and getting that type of player at 15 usually doesn't happen.

 

[lilidk]

supposedly after being told no in the 5th the Wings were planning on doing just that in the 6th and selecting him and settling the eligibility later but Vancouver picked 3 picks earlier

the funny thing about that whole Bure situation that looks pretty silly with how it all turned out is that all that eligibility stuff was only for drafting him after the 3rd round, any team in the league could have drafted him in the first 3 rounds even without those extra games Vancouver found proof of but nobody wanted to use a 3rd round pick on him let alone a 2nd or 1st

I am not too old to remember all of this,

 

[DoMakc]

I remember the Ovechkin story and believed it had no merit; it was tied to the orthodox calendar, I believe. But the much bigger issue with the bure pick was that detroit tried to draft him a round earlier, or so I'm lead to believe. As I remember it, we asked "hey can we draft this kid? We think he's eligible." The nhl said no. And a round or 2 later Vancouver didn't ask and just drafted him, and so it stood. Further proof that it's always easier to ask for forgivenes, rather then permission. Just imagine sergie and pavel together, like in juniors!!! I mean before the Kournikova stuff of course.

You also need to keep in mind that eligability rules changed since Bure was drafted. In the end you need to provide evidences that a kid is eligable, which Vancouver did - back in time number of games played was part of the criteria. Basically if Red Wings were to draft any player not considered to eligable they need to show that he is eligable, by providing evidences that player was actually born earlier then it was assumed previously or forfeiting the pick otherwise. I prefer them to draft somebody, maybe even somebody's kid before literally throwing a pick away.

But you can continue to spread conspirancy theories on how draft eligability work and how rules do not matter.

PS Panthers actually argued that leapyears should be considered as a year and an additional day, so couple of day till cutoff would actually be covered.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I don't think he has even a 1/16 of the baggage that DeAngelo had at that age. He is an offensive defensemen who plays for a coach who allows him to take a lot of risks and perhaps struggles at times defensively. Nothing more than that. Personally, I don't even think his discipline is all that bad. I don't see him as cut from the same cloth as DeAngelo or Merkley if that is what you are after. I would be shocked if he is there at 15.

I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t go top 15. I don’t think he has the issues that Deangelo did, on ice or otherwise.

I think he is far more advanced in offensive abilities compared to a DeAngelo or Merkley. And that is why he is so tempting. And top 5 wouldn’t surprise me.

But like them, he is nothing more than a 4th forward at this point. Liability defensively that will have to be completely developed and taught how to play the game properly. Can he do it ? Maybe, but that is where the risk lies. He has no structure.

ASP is much stronger than Perekh physically and would look like an absolute defensive stalwart compared to Perekh. He understands the game much better. Ive always thought ASP underrated in his own zone. And he didn’t exactly get gobbled up at the draft. (Great for us of course)

As far as the discipline. I’ve watched him a lot this year. he turns almost every Saginaw game into the Zayne Perekh circus. Who knows what he will do out there. Im really not sure what NHL teams will make of him.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Bob McKenzie top 15 rankings came out... course sennecke 14 now lol ... eiserman 13

This is definetly a year yzerman needs to stop wussing out and be aggressive and move up 3-5 spots

 

[Frk It]

I think he is far more advanced in offensive abilities compared to a DeAngelo or Merkley. And that is why he is so tempting. And top 5 wouldn’t surprise me.

But like them, he is nothing more than a 4th forward at this point. Liability defensively that will have to be completely developed and taught how to play the game properly. Can he do it ? Maybe, but that is where the risk lies. He has no structure.

ASP is much stronger than Perekh physically and would look like an absolute defensive stalwart compared to Perekh. He understands the game much better. Ive always thought ASP underrated in his own zone. And he didn’t exactly get gobbled up at the draft. (Great for us of course)

As far as the discipline. I’ve watched him a lot this year. he turns almost every Saginaw game into the Zayne Perekh circus. Who knows what he will do out there. Im really not sure what NHL teams will make of him.

Not really sure why you are comparing Parekh to ASP, but I think Parekh is a much better prospect at the same age. Parekh is an even better goal scorer and bigger and a better offensive player. And it's not like ASP is not also a specialist and hasn't been sheltered a ton so far in his career. But anyways...

Teams are going to watch the impact Q Hughes and Makar have had, and draft a defenseman like Parekh very high. I'll be shocked if it's not the case. Same thing with Buium.

 

[Gniwder]

Bob McKenzie top 15 rankings came out... course sennecke 14 now lol ... eiserman 13

This is definetly a year yzerman needs to stop wussing out and be aggressive and move up 3-5 spots

Or stay at 15 and pick Hage or MBN. Yzerman likes 2 way players more than one dimensional scorers.

For some reason, I'm stuck with Hage.... maybe because he committed to U of M? I dunno.

 

[Frk It]

Or stay at 15 and pick Hage or MBN. Yzerman likes 2 way players more than one dimensional scorers.

For some reason, I'm stuck with Hage.... maybe because he committed to U of M? I dunno.

You never know with Yzerman, it definitely makes it more interesting. Would be fine with going the chalk route or the guys you mentioned too. I really have been a fan of Hage through this whole season. As I have mentioned, I could also see our scouts really liking Boisvert out of the USHL. Another kid going the college route as well.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Not really sure why you are comparing Parekh to ASP, but I think Parekh is a much better prospect at the same age. Parekh is an even better goal scorer and bigger and a better offensive player. And it's not like ASP is not also a specialist and hasn't been sheltered a ton so far in his career. But anyways...

Teams are going to watch the impact Q Hughes and Makar have had, and draft a defenseman like Parekh very high. I'll be shocked if it's not the case. Same thing with Buium.

ASP was an undersized offensive defenseman who slid because of defensive concerns. My point was ASP’s defensive concerns are nothing compared to Perekh. And ASP is stronger physically.

 

[Gniwder]

You never know with Yzerman, it definitely makes it more interesting. Would be fine with going the chalk route or the guys you mentioned too. I really have been a fan of Hage through this whole season. As I have mentioned, I could also see our scouts really liking Boisvert out of the USHL. Another kid going the college route as well.

I think Boisvert will be the first center picked after the 2 I mentioned. I think BPA is the best philosophy in the first round, but I get this weird feeling Stevie goes with a center. Just gut feeling, nothing to back it up. Besides, Hage can shoot, and it's a lot easier to convert a center to wing than vice versa.

 

[heyfolks]

Bobby Mac's top 15:

Bob McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking: An 'unpredictable ride' after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

Ten out of 10 NHL club team scouts surveyed in the past week by TSN have Macklin Celebrini as the undisputed No. 1 draft prospect. Beyond Celebrini, though? Buckle up.

www.tsn.ca

I HOPE this is the order and Yzerman moves up, not into the top 5 but to grab Hage and Liam Greentree

Lottery overview for tomorrow night.

2024 Draft Lottery Preview | How to watch, the Sabres’ odds, and more | Buffalo Sabres

The Sabres have the 11th-best odds to obtain the No. 1 pick.

www.nhl.com

 

[heyfolks]

A center and a left wing..... Thanks in advance Stevie Y.

 

[WingFanSD]

is this an accurate report on Yegor Surin

"Skilled offensive forward, elite puck protection. Likes to score almost as much as hit. He is a bit of a psycho"

the bold part made me laugh.

 

[letsgowings9999]

Or stay at 15 and pick Hage or MBN. Yzerman likes 2 way players more than one dimensional scorers.

For some reason, I'm stuck with Hage.... maybe because he committed to U of M? I dunno.

It's all good yzerman likes some 2 way guys but how about top line elite potential forwards which we sorely lack

I dont hate your guys mentioned,I like them but I want to take a swing and not a sure bottom guy who'll play we got enough of those and we have a deep pool just missing top end guys why not trade up and get someone potentially big

Eiserman gets us 30-40 are we crying? Sennecke is dominating in the playoffs which I love. I want someone who shows up when it counts

Just finding out more about this parascak kid and I'd even consider to move a few spots back and taking him if we wuss out and dont move up. He only turns 18 on the 28th this month. He seems like hes got some upside to me