GDT: 2023 XFL/USFL Thread

[Unholy Diver]

It won't take the XFL long before they can start paying players really good salaries that will make the CLf look like a charity case. 2nd tier American players will choose playing in the states over Canada 9 times out of 10. This will leave the CFL with less talent to build around. Currently The CFL has a quarterback issue and NFL third stringers would light it up here. Like seriously, who is the best CFL player right now and how long has he been it? CFL has zero star power and it's because they can't pay 2nd tier players enough.

Gone are the days where we get a Jeff Garcia who lights up the CFL and has a solid NFL career.

The Xfl lost $60 million last year iirc, not sure if an increase in salaries is a wise move

 

[GKJ]

The Xfl lost $60 million last year iirc, not sure if an increase in salaries is a wise move

Yeah, there’s no sign that there’s a path to increasing salaries so drastically.

 

[Stylizer1]

The Xfl lost $60 million last year iirc, not sure if an increase in salaries is a wise move

Most businesses take time to get established. Every year would produce some growth to where they would become profitable. It may not happen over night but currently the salaries of both leagues are not that far apart. The XFL will out perform the CFL in a short period of time.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Most businesses take time to get established. Every year would produce some growth to where they would become profitable. It may not happen over night but currently the salaries of both leagues are not that far apart. The XFL will out perform the CFL in a short period of time.

Many also fail before they get established as well for one reason or another, including the XFL twice before, and the soon to be merged with USFL once before. Sure, it is possible this might be the time it works, but I wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion.

 

[Stylizer1]

Many also fail before they get established as well for one reason or another, including the XFL twice before, and the soon to be merged with USFL once before. Sure, it is possible this might be the time it works, but I wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion. I think it will have a better run this go around.

The first time it failed it was very gimicky. The second time was on the eve of covid.

 

[GKJ]

The first time it failed it was very gimicky. The second time was on the eve of covid.

We don’t know for sure what Vince would’ve done, but the networks were going to cut him off even before Covid, so that was very unlikely to come back for year 2 no matter what.

 

[Stylizer1]

We don’t know for sure what Vince would’ve done, but the networks were going to cut him off even before Covid, so that was very unlikely to come back for year 2 no matter what.

At the end of the day the CFL is not a very good league anymore and having a 16 team US based league where players can make similar money is not going to work out well for the CFL in the long run. There is just not enough talent to go around.

 

[GKJ]

At the end of the day the CFL is not a very good league anymore and having a 16 team US based league where players can make similar money is not going to work out well for the CFL in the long run. There is just not enough talent to go around.

CFL has all kinds of rules about domestic players, so they’re not really competing for many of the same players. They may get fewer imports because a spring league will not only keep them closer to the eyes in the NFL, but players will be closer to home, and players who go from the NFL to CFL, if the even get to the NFL, by doing so are largely leaving the NFL behind, similar to how when hockey players leave the NHL to go to Europe.

 

[John Price]

Keep the CFL in Canada

 

[Stylizer1]

CFL has all kinds of rules about domestic players, so they’re not really competing for many of the same players. They may get fewer imports because a spring league will not only keep them closer to the eyes in the NFL, but players will be closer to home, but players who go from the NFL to CFL, if the even get to the NFL, by doing so are largely leaving the NFL behind, similar to how when hockey players leave the NHL to go to Europe.

Do you think Canada is going to see a surge of amazing domestic players deciding to forego a shot in the NFL and chose to play in the CFL? Most teams "star" players are American born and it's always been that way. When the Argo's drafted Rocket Ismail in 1991 he only came to Canada because they offered him the largest salary in North American Football history, $18.2 million over four years. The only way to get actual quality players is to pay enough money that it's a no brainer. The CFL can't do that anymore. There is little room for growth in this league. How long has it been talked about expanding to Halifax? Other than there Quebec City is probably the only other place where It might work but no one wants to waste the money.

NO player leaves the NFL behind, the NFL leaves them behind and as a result come to the CFL. NHLers don't chose to go to Europe if they can sign a 1 way contract in the NHL. A player like Datsyuk is different because his NHL career was over but wanted to play at home.

 

[GKJ]

Do you think Canada is going to see a surge of amazing domestic players deciding to forego a shot in the NFL and chose to play in the CFL? Most teams "star" players are American born and it's always been that way. When the Argo's drafted Rocket Ismail in 1991 he only came to Canada because they offered him the largest salary in North American Football history, $18.2 million over four years. The only way to get actual quality players is to pay enough money that it's a no brainer. The CFL can't do that anymore. There is little room for growth in this league. How long has it been talked about expanding to Halifax? Other than there Quebec City is probably the only other place where It might work but no one wants to waste the money.

NO player leaves the NFL behind, the NFL leaves them behind and as a result come to the CFL. NHLers don't chose to go to Europe if they can sign a 1 way contract in the NHL. A player like Datsyuk is different because his NHL career was over but wanted to play at home.

That is the common prevailing thought among hockey players because they will get paid more than they will taking an AHL deal or even a two-way NHL deal at times. You go to Europe because you want to make a good living playing pro hockey resigned to the fact that it likely won’t be in the NHL.

The player, the NFL, doesn’t matter who leaves who behind, there are anecdotal cases of CFL-to-NFL, and there have even been a few cases of players going back to the NFL after not breaking through to the CFL, but the players who go to the CFL do so largely because that is their best long-term pro option. No American spring league has done that yet, especially given their stated objective is to give them a path to the NFL. That is a significant difference that separates who could or would be successful in either league.

 

[Stylizer1]

That is the common prevailing thought among hockey players because they will get paid more than they will taking an AHL deal or even a two-way NHL deal at times. You go to Europe because you want to make a good living playing pro hockey resigned to the fact that it likely won’t be in the NHL.

The player, the NFL, doesn’t matter who leaves who behind, there are anecdotal cases of CFL-to-NFL, and there have even been a few cases of players going back to the NFL after not breaking through to the CFL, but the players who go to the CFL do so largely because that is their best long-term pro option. No American spring league has done that yet, especially given their stated objective is to give them a path to the NFL. That is a significant difference that separates who could or would be successful in either league.

I understand. My best friend from middle school went undrafted in the NHL and went overseas. As a defenseman he won the league MVP in the Finnish elite league. Came to the NHL for a few seasons on a 1 way but ultimately went back to Europe and finished his career there.

Every year players leave the CFL for the NFL and vice versa. All any CFLer wants is to get an NFL contract for at least a few seasons, most don't. There have been cases where CFL stars make the NFL and have decent careers, but those are few and far between.

No American spring league has been able to compete with the CFL until now. The Rock brings a level of legitimacy to this new merged league and I think it will at least be comparable to the CFL. They will get a TV deal from most likely FOX seeing as they were/are the owners of the USFL and should be able to generate NFL off season revenue that will dwarf what the CFL can do.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The NFL had a spring league, lost tons of money, moved it to Europe, lost tons more money, and then it died. If an NFL-related spring league couldn't survive, and all spring leagues after that died, why should anyone believe this merger will work long term?

Spring leagues die. It's a fact of life.

 

[GKJ]

The NFL had a spring league, lost tons of money, moved it to Europe, lost tons more money, and then it died. If an NFL-related spring league couldn't survive, and all spring leagues after that died, why should anyone believe this merger will work long term?

Spring leagues die. It's a fact of life.

They usually don’t make it past one season though, if that

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Most businesses take time to get established. Every year would produce some growth to where they would become profitable. It may not happen over night but currently the salaries of both leagues are not that far apart. The XFL will out perform the CFL in a short period of time.

I love when people think the third time will be diffrent.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

It won't take the XFL long before they can start paying players really good salaries that will make the CLf look like a charity case. 2nd tier American players will choose playing in the states over Canada 9 times out of 10. This will leave the CFL with less talent to build around. Currently The CFL has a quarterback issue and NFL third stringers would light it up here. Like seriously, who is the best CFL player right now and how long has he been it? CFL has zero star power and it's because they can't pay 2nd tier players enough.

Gone are the days where we get a Jeff Garcia who lights up the CFL and has a solid NFL career.

The CFL is filled with alot of guys who used to be third QBs in the NFL.

 

[StreetHawk]

The CFL is filled with alot of guys who used to be third QBs in the NFL.

After a couple of years on an nfl PS if you haven’t taken a snap in game then the team will likely put another day 3 drafted QB on the PS over you. So if you want to continue your career and play, that’s probably when you make the call and go to the cfl.

Unless you opt for a spring league to showcase yourself with the same rules.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

After a couple of years on an nfl PS if you haven’t taken a snap in game then the team will likely put another day 3 drafted QB on the PS over you. So if you want to continue your career and play, that’s probably when you make the call and go to the cfl.

Unless you opt for a spring league to showcase yourself with the same rules.

OK, but this guy said that third string QBs would dominate in the CFL. Meanwhile some of these QBs in the CFL currently, have been NFL third stringers.

 

[John Price]

Federal regulators approve XFL-USFL merger, to be led by Russ Brandon

Federal regulators have approved the proposed merger between the XFL and USFL, with the new league slated to begin play next spring.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

held up by federal regulators, who approved the merger today

we will only see 8 teams so far.

Season also starts March 30th. In the past XFL started the week after SB.

 

[GKJ]

What was the point of either side merging to only come back with 8 teams

 

[Unholy Diver]

What was the point of either side merging to only come back with 8 teams

Sharing the burden of the financial losses

 

[Unholy Diver]

Nearly half of the league will be in Texas

 

[GKJ]

Everyone felt pretty good that there would be at least 12 teams. So both leagues basically split the difference in everything, teams, schedule, etc. This is not growth.

 

[John Price]

Well it's also a spring league so it's best to cut costs. Once they establish themselves they can expand.

Also curious if those USFL remnants that made it to the UFL will finally allow fans in the stadiums instead of this dumb hub shit

 

[Unholy Diver]

Wasn't there another league calling itself the UFL somewhat recently? like since 2000 at least? Why not merge the two leagues into the USXFL?

The UFL sucks, the USXFL is more fun to say


Edit... It looks like the UFL still exists and is still somewhat active

uflfootball.com - United Football League

www.uflfootball.com