King'sPawn
Enjoy the chaos
- Jul 1, 2003
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I just want to say again thank you to everyone who voted and discussed. Obviously there are some points of unanimity (pretty incredible, for example, that Shafigullin is unchanged from his rankings for any of us after a couple years, even though he's scored at a point-per-game pace since this KHL season has started), but there are also some major points of disagreement. Which is awesome, because we all have different criteria we utilize to rank or pick players.
It's probably not structured too well visually or logically, but what can you do? With the 2023 poll, the number in parenthesis is how much the player has moved compared to the 2021 poll, and the number in my personal rankings are based on where I rate the players relative to the 2023 poll.
It will be too much of a novel to put a breakdown of how my rankings differ. Here's a general overview though:
- Potential has a lot of weight to me. Consequently, younger players benefit more. I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's definitely a factor to me.
- Player's role + position is a factor. By sheer virtue of, if it's a higher priority position in the org, they are more likely to get more opportunity to succeed and be put in a position. For example, a certain LD the Kings just drafted may benefit from LA putting more effort into taking care of that player.
- Scoring/production is definitely a factor, and consequently, more defensive players fall to the wayside a bit. But I try to look at more than just this year's production - I also try to factor in how their production has grown from season to season, and how well they produce when put in different leagues.
- Of course, personal observations play a part, too. This should go without saying, but I didn't want it to come across as just stat watching to take part in my rankings. Of course, some I watch less than (like the Russian players) may have me leaning more towards stats, but I make a genuine effort to watch as many of the players as much as possible.
I did also want to consider how much updates and discussions have factored in with the rankings amongst all of us. Would some players get more hype or get ranked higher if they were playing better in some of these leagues? Or is it because they are playing in some of these leagues (like Liiga, Germany, etc) that has us (including media personnel) just gloss over any progress they may or may not be making?
But also, what are some of your lists, if you have one? With a couple more years under Blake's tenure, do we have any thoughts about how the prospects have been handled? Laferriere moved up 19 spots in 2 years, and Jamsen moved up 13. But Madden fell down 14 spots. The pool has shrunk. Yet, miraculously, there are some players remarkably close to where they were originally ranked Like Moverare, Doyle, and Shafigullin.
With some of the highly ranked players who have not yet graduated, the temperature remains relatively the same, like Turcotte. Is it name recognition? Or has how he's worked through the obstacles/injuries lent a more favorable reaction?
One more month until the season starts. Hoping this passes the time a little bit more for those who enjoy diving into this stuff. Or maybe you just want to call me dumb because of my list.
Ultimately, this is what the lineup would look kind of like, based on the voting:
Chromiak - Turcotte - Laferriere
Connors - Pinelli - Fagemo
Jamsen - Helenius - Ziemmer
Thomas - Hughes - Simontaival
Lee - Conmy - Madden
Lawrence - Wright - Ward
Shafigullin
Dvorak - Clarke
Kirsanov - Salin
Moverare - Mania
Nousiainen - Krygier
Booth - Sparkes
Meehan - Doyle
Portillo
Slukynsky
Markkanen
It's probably not structured too well visually or logically, but what can you do? With the 2023 poll, the number in parenthesis is how much the player has moved compared to the 2021 poll, and the number in my personal rankings are based on where I rate the players relative to the 2023 poll.
It will be too much of a novel to put a breakdown of how my rankings differ. Here's a general overview though:
- Potential has a lot of weight to me. Consequently, younger players benefit more. I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's definitely a factor to me.
- Player's role + position is a factor. By sheer virtue of, if it's a higher priority position in the org, they are more likely to get more opportunity to succeed and be put in a position. For example, a certain LD the Kings just drafted may benefit from LA putting more effort into taking care of that player.
- Scoring/production is definitely a factor, and consequently, more defensive players fall to the wayside a bit. But I try to look at more than just this year's production - I also try to factor in how their production has grown from season to season, and how well they produce when put in different leagues.
- Of course, personal observations play a part, too. This should go without saying, but I didn't want it to come across as just stat watching to take part in my rankings. Of course, some I watch less than (like the Russian players) may have me leaning more towards stats, but I make a genuine effort to watch as many of the players as much as possible.
Ranking | 2023 Poll | 2021 Poll | My own ranking (for 2023) |
1 | Brandt Clarke, D (+1) | Quinton Byfield, F | Brandt Clarke, D (+0) |
2 | Alex Turcotte, F (+1) | Brandt Clarke, D | Koehn Ziemmer, F (+6) |
3 | Francesco Pinelli, F (+7) | Alex Turcotte, F | Alex Laferriere, F (+1) |
4 | Alex Laferriere, F (+19) | Arthur Kaliyev, F | Jakub Dvorak, D (+3) |
5 | Martin Chromiak F (+8) | Brock Faber, D | Francesco Pinelli, F (-2) |
6 | Samuel Fagemo, F (+2) | Rasmus Kupari, F | Erik Portillo, G, (+4) |
7 | Jakub Dvorak, D (N/A) | Akil Thomas, F | Samuel Fagemo, F (-1) |
8 | Koehn Ziemmer, F (N/A) | Samuel Fagemo, F | Alex Turcotte, F (-6) |
9 | Kirill Kirsanov, D (+5) | Tyler Madden, F | Akil Thomas, F (+4) |
10 | Erik Portillo, G (N/A) | Francesco Pinelli, F | Aatu Jamsen, F (+4) |
11 | Samuel Helenius, F (+6) | Helge Grans, D | Martin Chromiak, F (-6) |
12 | Kenny Connors, F (N/A) | Kale Clague, D | Jacob Moverare, D (+5) |
13 | Akil Thomas, F (-6) | Martin Chromiak, F | Hampton Slukynsky, G (+5) |
14 | Aatu Jamsen, F (+13) | Kirill Kirsanov, D | Kirill Kirsanov, D (-5) |
15 | Kasper Simontaival, F (+5) | Kim Nousiainen, D | Matthew Mania, D (+5) |
16 | Jack Hughes, F (N/A) | Jordan Spence, D | Kenny Connors, F (-4) |
17 | Jacob Moverare, D (+1) | Samuel Helenius, F | Samuel Helenius, F (-6) |
18 | Hampton Slukynsky, G (N/A) | Jacob Moverare, D | Angus Booth, D (+7) |
19 | Otto Salin, D (N/A) | Vladimir Tkachev, F | Ryan Conmy, F (+3) |
20 | Matthew Mania, D (N/A) | Kasper Simontaival, F | Kasper Simontaival, F (-5) |
21 | Kim Nousiainen, D (-6) | Lukas Parik, G | Otto Salin, D (-2) |
22 | Ryan Conmy, F (N/A) | Austin Strand, D | Kaleb Lawrence, F (+10) |
23 | Tyler Madden, F (-14) | Alex Laferriere, F | Jared Wright, F (+5) |
24 | Cole Krygier, D (N/A) | Andre Lee, F | Andre Lee, F (+2) |
25 | Angus Booth, D (N/A) | Sean Durzi, D | Jack Hughes, F (-9) |
26 | Andre Lee, F (-2) | Jacob Ingham, G | Jack Sparkes, D (+1) |
27 | Jack Sparkes, D (N/A) | Aatu Jamsen, F | Ben Meehan, D (+4) |
28 | Jared Wright, F (N/A) | Ben Meehan, D | Kim Nousiainen, D (-7) |
29 | Taylor Ward, F (N/A) | Aidan Dudas, F | Tyler Madden, F (-6) |
30 | Juho Markkanen, G (+1) | Johan Sodergran, F | Braden Doyle, D (+3) |
31 | Ben Meehan, D (-3) | Juho Markkanen, G | Taylor Ward, F (-2) |
32 | Kaleb Lawrence, F (N/A) | David Hrenak, G | Cole Krygier, D (-8) |
33 | Braden Doyle, D (+0) | Braden Doyle, D | Juho Markkanen, G (-3) |
34 | Bulat Shafigullin, F (+0) | Bulat Shafigullin, F | Bulat Shafigullin, F (+0) |
35 | Brayden Burke, F | ||
36 | Matthew Villalta, G | ||
37 | Markus Phillips, D | ||
38 | Alexander Dergachyov, F |
I did also want to consider how much updates and discussions have factored in with the rankings amongst all of us. Would some players get more hype or get ranked higher if they were playing better in some of these leagues? Or is it because they are playing in some of these leagues (like Liiga, Germany, etc) that has us (including media personnel) just gloss over any progress they may or may not be making?
But also, what are some of your lists, if you have one? With a couple more years under Blake's tenure, do we have any thoughts about how the prospects have been handled? Laferriere moved up 19 spots in 2 years, and Jamsen moved up 13. But Madden fell down 14 spots. The pool has shrunk. Yet, miraculously, there are some players remarkably close to where they were originally ranked Like Moverare, Doyle, and Shafigullin.
With some of the highly ranked players who have not yet graduated, the temperature remains relatively the same, like Turcotte. Is it name recognition? Or has how he's worked through the obstacles/injuries lent a more favorable reaction?
One more month until the season starts. Hoping this passes the time a little bit more for those who enjoy diving into this stuff. Or maybe you just want to call me dumb because of my list.
Ultimately, this is what the lineup would look kind of like, based on the voting:
Chromiak - Turcotte - Laferriere
Connors - Pinelli - Fagemo
Jamsen - Helenius - Ziemmer
Thomas - Hughes - Simontaival
Lee - Conmy - Madden
Lawrence - Wright - Ward
Shafigullin
Dvorak - Clarke
Kirsanov - Salin
Moverare - Mania
Nousiainen - Krygier
Booth - Sparkes
Meehan - Doyle
Portillo
Slukynsky
Markkanen