Series Discussion 2023 Dallas Stars Playoffs Discussion | Round 2 vs. Seattle Kraken | Dallas WINS GAME 7!

[Klockis]

Anyone who displays that much confidence in analytical hockey models just comes of as a fraud to me. It's lazy and lacking in self-critique.

 

[redbeardtx]

I will not fight Micah on Twitter. I will not fight Micah on Twitter. I will not fight Micah on Twitter.

Fight that motherf***er in real life

 

[redbeardtx]

 

[piqued]

My dream is that at some point during Miro's career we can put a competent player on his right side. Hasn't happened yet, but if it does the Cup likely follows.

 

[Sports2]

Based

 

[Satan]

He deserved that

 

[Sports2]

 

[Kcb12345]

These analytics guys will defend their models with their lives. No point in arguing with them, they don't generally even watch the games imo so you're fighting a guy who bases everything on his model and believes it truly is accurate no matter what

Micah especially loves to start stuff

 

[Troy McClure]

These analytics guys will defend their models with their lives. No point in arguing with them, they don't generally even watch the games imo so you're fighting a guy who bases everything on his model and believes it truly is accurate no matter what

Micah especially loves to start stuff

And I love a lot of what they do, but trying to focus on one game with some of these stats can give you some silly conclusions.

 

[Kipper 17]

These analytics guys will defend their models with their lives. No point in arguing with them, they don't generally even watch the games imo so you're fighting a guy who bases everything on his model and believes it truly is accurate no matter what

Micah especially loves to start stuff

Which is why "Shut up you f***ing nerd" was the appropriate (and also hilarious) response.

 

[WhoahNow]

My dream is that at some point during Miro's career we can put a competent player on his right side. Hasn't happened yet, but if it does the Cup likely follows.

I still remember when Heiskanen and Klingberg played together and absolutely dominated, but th rest of the D got caved in

 

[Troy McClure]

It's also annoying when someone demands you ignore PP and PK play when evaluating a night's work. Miro played five minutes of specialty teams minutes. He was in the ice for both Stars PP goals (assisted on one) and was on the ice for parts of the PKs the Stars killed off.

 

[Spotty 2 Hotty]

Looks like this Stars tweet (which I thought was funny) has been deleted:

The amount of pearl clutching that happened in the QRTs for the post was funny too. So many Twitter folks and glorified blog writers getting butthurt over such an inane response.

 

[jballa95]

I like to use analytics and I like Micah but man you can't criticize them or their analytics without being labeled as a dinosaur who doesn't understand the apparent quantitative objectivity of their systems. A lot of people in the hockey world depict analytics as a sort of truth-sayer. They use it as an argumentative crutch where your opinion is subjective and theirs is objective, therefore you are wrong. Like I said, I like most of them and their analytical methodologies, but occasionally it becomes too much.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

f***ing hate some of these analytics guys, it's like at my work when managers bring up some data and solely looks at the numbers without any context/reasoning to those numbers.

You can use data to paint any picture you want and depending who interprets in what way could mean two totally different things.

 

[piqued]

It's also annoying when someone demands you ignore PP and PK play when evaluating a night's work. Miro played five minutes of specialty teams minutes. He was in the ice for both Stars PP goals (assisted on one) and was on the ice for parts of the PKs the Stars killed off.

Exactly. Especially after just watching the game that featured Colin Miller trying his hardest to run the point and nothing getting done. And the team as a whole appearing to be Bedard-sweepstakes level without him.

 

[LT]

The biggest problem is that they feel the data is infallible.

Most data f***ing suck and are riddled with errors and poor assumptions.

 

[ElGuapo]

I skimmed that Twitter thread and his thinking behind his models don't make sense to me. I don't think he has any understanding of sports based on the stuff of his I've seen.

 

[Satan]

The biggest problem is that they feel the data is infallible.

Most data f***ing suck and are riddled with errors and poor assumptions.

Especially ur climate controlling models

 

[LT]

Especially ur climate controlling models

unironically, yes

 

[redbeardtx]

f***ing hate some of these analytics guys, it's like at my work when managers bring up some data and solely looks at the numbers without any context/reasoning to those numbers.

You can use data to paint any picture you want and depending who interprets in what way could mean two totally different things.

I mean according to that model, Hanley is better than Heiskanen. Who knew...

 

[Frozen Failure]

Most data science-types don't understand how to write a cohesive narrative without cherry picking data and trying to be a spinster with numbers.

 

[LT]

Most data science-types don't understand how to write a cohesive narrative without cherry picking data and trying to be a spinster with numbers.

The reason we usually don't see when they do it "right" is because it's obscenely boring and technical

 

[WhoahNow]

Shoutout to @David Castillo for repping the Stars on the PDOcast:

 

[TangoMcBride]

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