The Tourist
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2023-24 Frank J. Selke Trophy finalists: Aleksander Barkov, Auston Matthews, Jordan Staal | Winner: Aleksander Barkov
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Mickey Marner
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Idk where you got your numbers, but the Leafs allowed 168 5v5 goals and Matthews was on for 53 of them...
The Nuge
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At least they didn’t make a complete farce of the trophy by giving it to Matthews. It was bad enough he was nominated.
Congrats to Barkov. It’s good the trophy went to someone who deserves it, and with Bergeron gone, it definitely feels like he’s going to keep accumulating them
Congrats to Barkov. It’s good the trophy went to someone who deserves it, and with Bergeron gone, it definitely feels like he’s going to keep accumulating them
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There should be some sort of review where if you’re going to do something stupid like that, that you shouldn’t get to vote the next year
Nhl.com 71 even strength goals against with Mathews on the ice.
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ES isn't 5on5. ES includes 4on4, 3on3 and I believe for some reason, even 6on5 goalie pulls.
Tawnos
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It’s included because there are 6 players on each side.
I guess but you don’t really see the same for the other awards. I mean you’ll get some odd votes for the Norris for example, but the list of players receiving votes will still be like half that of the Selke.
The voting looks so random, especially compared to last year. What did Reinhart do this season to deserve the second highest number of first place votes...? The inclusion of Matthews still a head scratcher. Crosby cracking the top-10 is also questionable. McDavid somehow gets a Selke vote...?
Eriksson-Ek puts up 30 goals along with his defensive prowess, but barely cracks the top-10 and doesn't garner many first, second, or third place votes.
Thomas puts up 86 points while averaging 2:00 ATOI in pk time and doing a lot of defensive heavy-lifting at ES for the Blues, but only finishes 25th in voting.
Backlund, Coyle, and Cirelli should have also been much higher than low-20s.
What a farce. It's a good thing the Selke results weren't saved for the big awards ceremony.
So any time the teams are at even strength Mathews is horrible defensively got it.
But i know pucks hit him a lot so that means he is excellent at defense.
So any time the teams are at even strength Mathews is horrible defensively got it.
But i know pucks hit him a lot so that means he is excellent at defense.
Vinh
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Sid cracking the top 10 isn't merely questionable. He just had his worst defensive season in ages. The fact that he received any first-place votes shows how out of touch NHL media members are.
I tried to read this thread to see a discussion on the nominees and instead I saw legit 4-5 posts per page about how the toronto media pushed Matthews into a top 3 selke nom lmao? This forum is so freaking funny.
Newflash: Matthews is, by every metric u can find, one of the best two-way players in the NHL. Penalty killing accounts for very little of the game. Elite defensive players dont need to play on the PK. It's a skillset that AHL grinders can be elite at in the NHL. Theres no need to use your stars on the PK.
Newflash: Matthews is, by every metric u can find, one of the best two-way players in the NHL. Penalty killing accounts for very little of the game. Elite defensive players dont need to play on the PK. It's a skillset that AHL grinders can be elite at in the NHL. Theres no need to use your stars on the PK.
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Sidney Crosby just had one of the worst defensive seasons by a forward of the past 3 decades. You guys think Matthews is a Selke fraud for being in the ice for 71 even strength goals against?
Crosby was on the ice for a whopping 93.
What a farce.
No he isn’t. Not even close.
Goals against at es or 5v5 are metrics - I assure you - and Matthews isn’t remotely among the top players in the nhl.
Same goes for those same metrics per 60. Or offensive zone starts, or penalty killing. There are dozens of players who do these things better than Matthews.
Crosby was on the ice for a whopping 93.
What a farce.
No he isn’t. Not even close.
Goals against at es or 5v5 are metrics - I assure you - and Matthews isn’t remotely among the top players in the nhl.
Same goes for those same metrics per 60. Or offensive zone starts, or penalty killing. There are dozens of players who do these things better than Matthews.
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Not having Barkov in top5 should automatically mean taking the righting votes off
How clueless can these people be
Well, I predicted a landslide victory for Barkov and the other finalists only combined for 6, so I guess that counts.
Funny how #3 Matthews received 2 votes and #4 Reinhart 12 votes for Selke win.
The biggest joke on this list is Crosby top 10. Goes to show that branding is worth more than what actually happens on the ice.
Funny how #3 Matthews received 2 votes and #4 Reinhart 12 votes for Selke win.
The biggest joke on this list is Crosby top 10. Goes to show that branding is worth more than what actually happens on the ice.
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So we're at the point where we need to reward the Leafs for hypotheticals, as opposed to things they actually accomplish.
Matthews could be great defensively. He's just not used that way..... What an absolute joke.
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Kopitar placed in the top five for the 7th time in his career. Only two players have had more years in the top five - Partice Bergeon and Guy Carbonneau.
Well I mean, Reinhart was really good defensively this season.
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Ulysses31
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Its good, not selke-level good imo, but better than most people would like to admit.
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