Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 3

[Stelio Kontos]

Please save us @ Isaac Howard @ Dylan Duke..

 

[Byrddog]

Really good coach in the O, relates to young players.

Yeah since we have so many good young players.

 

[Felonious Python]

Coop is in Czechia now for the World Championships, according to Gord Miller on the Canada-Finland broadcast.

 

[Point21]

Weekes just announced that Rod the Bod signed an extension with Carolina

 

[Todd1a]

Weekes just announced that Rod the Bod signed an extension with Carolina

That owner is the weirdest guy in the league I remember when he wanted his gm to stay there and not have a contract because he didn’t believe in doing contracts with employees

 

[LightningStrikes]

That owner is the weirdest guy in the league I remember when he wanted his gm to stay there and not have a contract because he didn’t believe in doing contracts with employees

“Trust me we’ll work something out.” lol

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

Weekes just announced that Rod the Bod signed an extension with Carolina

Keep bringing someone back that can’t get you over the hump is a strange decision.

 

[DFC]

Yeah, I really think Rod's brand of possession hockey has been solved by the better defensive coaches.

 

[These Are The Days]

Yeah, I really think Rod's brand of possession hockey has been solved by the better defensive coaches.

Maybe a little bit but Rod's failure isn't coming down to his scheme. The Canes don't have a whole lot of high end talent minus Aho. Rod's issue is the fact he's peddling a team on par with any of those 2010's NYR teams. More or less it is a bunch of dudes who can bleed, grind and score 20. But he doesn't have a Lundqvist to go God mode and steal a bunch of games the team has no business winning. Once Freddy let that squeaker go by the game was over. "Henrik would never" so to speak.

More recently I know the Avs and especially the VGK have said "What goaltending?" since Fleury left. But the VGK also field some ridiculous $120 million team every single playoff run and it would be the equivalent of the Canes pulling some nonsense like miraculously having Reinhart and Forsberg playing for them too. To be honest that might be what they need to do.

And I'm sure the VGK are asking themselves how to get both Crosby and Karlsson once Stone is inevitably injured again 2 weeks before the TDL and for the rest of the season

 

[JoVel]

I don't think they'll get it done with Rod or anyone else. I think they've underperformed a lot, but they've also been insanely overrated for a team that has guys like Aho and Svechnikov as their leading forwards.

 

[Felonious Python]

I don't think they'll get it done with Rod or anyone else. I think they've underperformed a lot, but they've also been insanely overrated for a team that has guys like Aho and Svechnikov as their leading forwards.

Only three metro teams had positive goal differentials. NYR, CAR, and (barely) PIT.

 

[DFC]

Maybe a little bit but Rod's failure isn't coming down to his scheme. The Canes don't have a whole lot of high end talent minus Aho. Rod's issue is the fact he's peddling a team on par with any of those 2010's NYR teams. More or less it is a bunch of dudes who can bleed, grind and score 20. But he doesn't have a Lundqvist to go God mode and steal a bunch of games the team has no business winning. Once Freddy let that squeaker go by the game was over. "Henrik would never" so to speak.

More recently I know the Avs and especially the VGK have said "What goaltending?" since Fleury left. But the VGK also field some ridiculous $120 million team every single playoff run and it would be the equivalent of the Canes pulling some nonsense like miraculously having Reinhart and Forsberg playing for them too. To be honest that might be what they need to do.

And I'm sure the VGK are asking themselves how to get both Crosby and Karlsson once Stone is inevitably injured again 2 weeks before the TDL and for the rest of the season

I think the scheme is what makes them overrated. They can outshoot their opponents every night, but as we saw when we played them, most of the shots are harmless against a good structure. So they wind up being a good regular season team that cant beat teams built for playoff hockey.

 

[Felonious Python]

I think the scheme is what makes them overrated. They can outshoot their opponents every night, but as we saw when we played them, most of the shots are harmless against a good structure. So they wind up being a good regular season team that cant beat teams built for playoff hockey.

I know that there was some criticism a few months ago online about man-to-man defense not being suitable for the playoffs.

 

[The Macho King]

I don't think they'll get it done with Rod or anyone else. I think they've underperformed a lot, but they've also been insanely overrated for a team that has guys like Aho and Svechnikov as their leading forwards.

Analytics gurus have been splooging over them for almost a decade now.

 

[These Are The Days]

I think the scheme is what makes them overrated. They can outshoot their opponents every night, but as we saw when we played them, most of the shots are harmless against a good structure. So they wind up being a good regular season team that cant beat teams built for playoff hockey.

You're right. That's what I mean. A lot of it is situational and just comes down to IQ and shot selection. But that's where the talent factor comes in. Throw the kitchen sink at them defensively and they're helpless exactly like the NYR were vs the Kings. Big guys who can hit The Canes shoot as often as the Lightning should be but can't move the puck nearly as well. What makes the Panthers so dangerous is they're as heavy as the Canes but have the skill necessary to break down a good structure. The Canes are FAR from where they need to be and to be honest they look something like I expect from Detroit in about 2 years but not even as good in the regular season

 

[Todd1a]

Will a deal get done ?

Major update on Steven Stamkos' future with the Tampa Bay Lightning

We have a major update on Steven Stamkos and his future with the Tampa Bay Lightning organization to report.

www.markerzone.com

 

[Sky04]

Don't know how you can say the Canes underachieve, if anything they overachieve with that roster and lack of top end talent. They're held together by coaching.

On any given year they have 1 guy over 70 points a season, Tampa on the other hand not making out of the 1st round with like 3 40+ goal scorers or Colorado with all their top end talent is worse.

 

[bov]

Goalies being equal, Carolina wins that series. They're as good a team as anyone in the NHL but when you lose the goalie battle to that extent, you have no chance.

 

[Point21]

Will a deal get done ?

Major update on Steven Stamkos' future with the Tampa Bay Lightning

We have a major update on Steven Stamkos and his future with the Tampa Bay Lightning organization to report.

www.markerzone.com

100% a deal will get done. its just a matter of how much term and $$$ he gets. His "Market Value" is probably around 8m. If he is willing to bite the bullet to improve our depth a bit, i would like him under 5.5m as that extra 2.5m in extra cap can bring in a solid middle 6 forward or a decent 4/5 dman

 

[JTBF81]

100% a deal will get done. its just a matter of how much term and $$$ he gets. His "Market Value" is probably around 8m. If he is willing to bite the bullet to improve our depth a bit, i would like him under 5.5m as that extra 2.5m in extra cap can bring in a solid middle 6 forward or a decent 4/5 dman

6.5x4 is my guess. It leaves the team with enough space, if they move out who they should, to add both a top/middle 6 type F and a 2nd pairing #4 type RD. If JBB can get him for anything under a 6 aav, it would be quite the deal.

 

[These Are The Days]

Will a deal get done ?

Major update on Steven Stamkos' future with the Tampa Bay Lightning

We have a major update on Steven Stamkos and his future with the Tampa Bay Lightning organization to report.

www.markerzone.com

It's absolutely getting done. The Lightning need to just go back to the coaching drawing board, utilize their cap space effectively and get their prospects ready to play ASAP. Between, Duke, Howard, Gauthier and Huuhtanen. They're 4 "middle" to "okay" prospects at best, but it's better than hoping paying for dog shit like Sheary helps us. I don't think this is gonna be a 2017 reload but this is the only way forward for this team. Otherwise we need an edge. Maybe not Yanni Gourde himself but we need another dog like him. Spoiler: it isn't Jeannot

The next Cup this lot wins will probably be the last one

 

[ccman68]

we should do the labanc contract with stamkos and go for it one last time. he can then get paid next year

 

[The Gongshow]

Move Sheary, give Stammer 7. Hope these geezers can make one final run before all dying of old age

 

[Todd1a]

JBB giving Nashville more draft picks

we now have 5m in cap space

Stamkos is gone or cirell or cernak is moving something has to move

100% a deal will get done. its just a matter of how much term and $$$ he gets. His "Market Value" is probably around 8m. If he is willing to bite the bullet to improve our depth a bit, i would like him under 5.5m as that extra 2.5m in extra cap can bring in a solid middle 6 forward or a decent 4/5 dman

I thought this until the Mac trade this morning lol but now I don’t know

 

[Todd1a]

Sheary has to be moving they need to open cap space for Stamkos more