Prospect Info: 2021 Leafs Board Prospect Rankings #22

[Morgs]

Miller was added with 2 votes. Vote for who to add next.

1. Each poll will be open for 24 hours.

2. As we never have a consensus way as to which players are still considered prospects, we'll be using my way (at least for the first few polls). The player must be U24 and have less than 50 GP in the NHL. The "prospects" that are left off because of these rules are Joey Anderson, Brennan Menell, Adam Brooks, Joseph Duszak, Vladimir Bobylev, and Nickolai Chebykin. The player also must be either drafted by the team, or signed to an ELC to be considered a prospect. This leaves off a player like Keith Petruzzelli.

3. At this time we'll stick to the top-20, but if we want to go to 25 or 30 (I believe the Leafs have just over 30 guys that are eligible) I'll definitely go further.

Rankings:
1. Rasmus Sandin - 53.2%
2. Nick Robertson - 50.9%
3. Timothy Liljegren - 56.9%
4. Rodion Amirov - 90.6%
5. Topi Niemela - 62.1%
6. Matthew Knies - 45.4%
7. Roni Hirvonen - 61.1%
8. Mikhail Abramov - 47.5%
9. Mikko Kokkonen - 44.7%
10. Veeti Miettinen - 49.4%
11. Nick Abruzzese - 40.2%
12. Pontus Holmberg - 27.2% (tiebreaker - 57.1%)
13. Dmitri Ovchinnikov - 27.2% (tiebreaker - 42.9%)
14. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev - 29.6% (tiebreaker - 53.8%)
15. Pavel Gogolev - 39.5%
16. Filip Kral - 57.6%
17. Mike Koster - 48.8%
18. Alex Steeves - 17.2% (tiebreaker - 74.5%)
19. Axel Rindell - 40.5%
20. Artur Ahktyamov - 34%
21. Mac Hollowell - 23.1%
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On the Docket:

Player	Position	Age	League	GP	Goals	Points	PPG	NHLe	Acquired
Ty Voit	W	18.3	OHL	0	0	0	0.00	0	5th Round Pick 2021
William Villeneuve	RHD	19.5	QMJHL	33	3	20	0.61	7.9	4th Round Pick 2020
Joseph Woll	G	23.2	AHL	15	0	0	0	0.892	3rd Round Pick 2016
Ryan Tverberg	C	19.6	NCAA	14	4	7	0.50	8.4	7th Round Pick 2020
John Fusco	RHD	20.3	USHL	20	2	12	0.60	5.8	7th Round Pick 2020
Ian Scott	G	22.7	AHL	1	0	0	0	0.857	4th Round Pick 2017
Kristans Rubins	LHD	23.8	AHL	22	1	3	0.14	4.6	UDFA
Semyon Kizimov	W	21.7	VHL	35	7	14	0.40	8.8	7th Round Pick 2018
Wyatt Schingoethe	C	19.1	USHL	44	10	21	0.48	4.6	7th Round Pick 2020
Joe Miller	C/W	19.0	USHL	40	8	18	0.45	4.4	6th Round Pick 2020

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Next:

Player	Position	Age	League	GP	Goals	Points	PPG	NHLe	Acquired
Kalle Loponen	RHD	20.5	U20 Sarja	44	11	36	0.82	4.9	7th Round Pick 2019
Ryan O'Connell	LHD	22.4	NCAA	27	0	6	0.22	4.2	7th Round Pick 2017
Vladislav Kara	W	23.4	KHL	23	1	3	0.13	6.6	4th Round Pick 2017

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Player	Position	Age	League	GP	SV%	Acquired
Vyacheslav Peksa	G	19.1	MHL	17	0.909	6th Round Pick 2021

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Past Results:
Prospect Info: - 2019 Leafs Board Prospect Ranking #20
Prospect Info: - 2020 Leafs Board Prospect Rankings #20

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[Morgs]

Tverberg.

Add Loponen.

 

[Morgs]

Like this post if you want to go to 30.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I like Voit. His DY-1 season was pretty impressive. Obviously there's a fair amount of question marks around him, but that's the same story with everyone in this range

 

[RoadWarrior]

Steeves is way too low on this list.

 

[kerk]

Steeves is way too low on this list.

nobody knew who steeves was until like last week

 

[Ashdown2]

should petruzzelli be added to the list ?

 

[Morgs]

should petruzzelli be added to the list ?

Not signed to an ELC or rights owned by the team. Not technically a prospect.

 

[Knies iT]

Don't understand why Voit keeps getting votes. Complete mystery box player who just looked bad at camp and is a massive long-shot.

Villeneuve, Rubins and Tvergberg have all proven more with higher floors, in that order for me.

 

[al secord]

Don't understand why Voit keeps getting votes. Complete mystery box player who just looked bad at camp and is a massive long-shot.

Villeneuve, Rubins and Tvergberg have all proven more with higher floors, in that order for me.

Name recognition.

 

[Magic Man]

Add Peksa.

 

[Morgs]

Don't understand why Voit keeps getting votes. Complete mystery box player who just looked bad at camp and is a massive long-shot.

Villeneuve, Rubins and Tvergberg have all proven more with higher floors, in that order for me.

Like CantLose said, he had a really good D-1 season as a 16 year old in the OHL.

Of the ~150 guys I tracked last year for the draft, his D-1 NHLe ranked T-37rh including defenseman. The guys he was tied with were Ayrton Martino (had him as a late 1st round/early 2nd), Riley Kidney (had him as a late 2nd/early 3rd), Prokhar Poltapov (had him as a late 1st, early 2nd), and had .1 more than Wyatt Johnston (who also didn't play last year and was a 1st round pick). To be fair, I had Voit 88th, but that's almost soley due to his great D-1 season.

He obviously hasn't looked great, but there is something there statistically which makes him one of the more interesting guys we have left on this list. Not to mention he hasn't played real hockey in a year. If he improved his numbers in his draft year instead of sitting, I think his floor would have been around Martino (early 3rd) and not 153rd where he went.

 

[Knies iT]

Like CantLose said, he had a really good D-1 season as a 16 year old in the OHL.

Of the ~150 guys I tracked last year for the draft, his D-1 NHLe ranked T-37rh including defenseman. The guys he was tied with were Ayrton Martino (had him as a late 1st round/early 2nd), Riley Kidney (had him as a late 2nd/early 3rd), Prokhar Poltapov (had him as a late 1st, early 2nd), and had .1 more than Wyatt Johnston (who also didn't play last year and was a 1st round pick). To be fair, I had Voit 88th, but that's almost soley due to his great D-1 season.

He obviously hasn't looked great, but there is something there statistically which makes him one of the more interesting guys we have left on this list. Not to mention he hasn't played real hockey in a year. If he improved his numbers in his draft year instead of sitting, I think his floor would have been around Martino (early 3rd) and not 153rd where he went.

That's fine for this range but he's been getting votes since the early teens.

Villeneuve was a finalist for QMJHL defenseman of the year in 2020 and led a team with Poirier in points for all skaters. One of the better D for TOR in Traverse and looked competent in the AHL.

We're talking about a D-1 season with Voit who missed an entire year of hockey and still came into camp looking very far behind his peers. Kressler's looked better and even he is far down the pecking order if signed. Both of those guys will have to absolutely torch the CHL and even then have huge question marks transitioning to pro with their playstyle and builds.

 

[Morgs]

That's fine for this range but he's been getting votes since the early teens.

Villeneuve was a finalist for QMJHL defenseman of the year in 2020 and led a team with Poirier in points for all skaters. One of the better D for TOR in Traverse and looked competent in the AHL.

We're talking about a D-1 season with Voit who missed an entire year of hockey and still came into camp looking very far behind his peers. Kressler's looked better and even he is far down the pecking order if signed. Both of those guys will have to absolutely torch the CHL and even then have huge question marks transitioning to pro with their playstyle and builds.

I mostly was just saying you shouldn't judge the guy based on a couple games in a prospect tournament. Especially a guy that hasn't seen real game action in over a year. I know what you mean though, but everyone at this point is a longshot. Those types of numbers in his D-1 though is arguably the most interesting thing about any prospect left (I think Tverberg's D+1 is personally) especially with his plus skating and plus HIQ. If he goes back to the OHL and has a D+1 season that's PPG+ we're going to be looking silly having him ranked this low. I'm personally never worried about size. As for the votes in the teens? Anywhere past Koster I'd say was a good spot for him, earlier than that I think was a little silly with him being such a mystery.

I get what you're saying about Villenueve, but the reason he had those points was due to the fact he didn't know where the defensive zone was in his D0. Last year the production ticked down and his defense was just as much criticized even though he was apparently trying to improve it. He's one of those guys that there is obvious offensive ability, but is it the kind of offense that translates to the pro level? Personally I don't think so, and for a guy that's probably only going to be average offensively at the pro level, he better improve his defense and transition game to where his offense is now, and from what I've read/seen, neither are close. Even despite his crazy production for a defenseman in his D0 (11.8 NHLe) nobody was willing to waste a top-100 pick on him because everything besides the production just doesn't look like it's going to translate. The guy reminds me of Andrew Neilsen (so many flaws, but the points look great), but he broke out offensively his draft year instead of his D+1.

They're both heavily flawed prospects at this point, but to me that's basically everyone passed Veeti.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I guess i can't vote or maybe i just don't know how lol so here's a write in vote for Scott. Western bias perhaps but he was really solid with the Raiders and i see no reason he couldn't take the next step.

 

[Ashdown2]

meh, not much between the guys left

 

[Maplebeasts]

Gimme Tverberg. Scott/Voit/Villeneuve to end off the top 25.

 

[supermann_98]

Hollowell at 21 …. nothing left to see here folks. If this guy is a “prospect” our prospect pool ends here.

Maybe I’m being harsh maybe not but the only thing that’s impressed me about Mac are his junior numbers (scored as an overager) and the fact that he’s somehow convinced people he’s somewhat good.

5’10 defenseman may be possible in this new NHL but not if they’re 170lbs soaking wet and after a huge meal. Even as a PP specialist he’s shown me absolutely nothing, and yes I watch almost every marlies game.

 

[Kiwi]

Hollowell at 21 …. nothing left to see here folks. If this guy is a “prospect” our prospect pool ends here.

Maybe I’m being harsh maybe not but the only thing that’s impressed me about Mac are his junior numbers (scored as an overager) and the fact that he’s somehow convinced people he’s somewhat good.

5’10 defenseman may be possible in this new NHL but not if they’re 170lbs soaking wet and after a huge meal. Even as a PP specialist he’s shown me absolutely nothing, and yes I watch almost every marlies game.

He looks like a player trapped between two different styles of game and he can't find any balance between them

Either he's "defensively responsible" and gives you nothing offensively or he plays like a 4th forward and defense goes out the window for some mediocre offensive output

He'd be boarder line making the 30 for me

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Hollowell at 21 …. nothing left to see here folks. If this guy is a “prospect” our prospect pool ends here.

Maybe I’m being harsh maybe not but the only thing that’s impressed me about Mac are his junior numbers (scored as an overager) and the fact that he’s somehow convinced people he’s somewhat good.

5’10 defenseman may be possible in this new NHL but not if they’re 170lbs soaking wet and after a huge meal. Even as a PP specialist he’s shown me absolutely nothing, and yes I watch almost every marlies game.

I agree 100% on Hollowell. He's an offensive defenseman who has a subpar offensive game. He has been nothing short of a liability in the AHL, and while Duszak has taken major steps forward to at least be a respectable AHLer player at both ends of the ice, Hollowell has quite possibly regressed in his time with the Marlies.

The thing is, there are better prospects than him still left on the board (Voit, Villeneuve, Tverberg, and Scott at the very least). I personally have him 23rd on the Leafs board along with a bunch of other wildcards who could jump up the board with a strong year, but he certainly is not the top 15 prospect he was at his peak.

The biggest "reach" to this point is by far Ovchinnikov though. He should be 10 spots lower than he was voted right now, and I personally have those 4 guys I mentioned before ahead of him right now (and I am well-aware of the fact that Tverberg was selected in the 7th round of the same draft as him).

 

[supermann_98]

He looks like a player trapped between two different styles of game and he can't find any balance between them

He'd be boarder line making the 30 for me

Yeah same