Line Combos: 2021-2022 season
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Ghost of Ethan Hunt
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A Krug-Hronek top pair would get their teeth kicked in & they'd be hemmed in the Dzone often. DDK-FH & TK-MS works better, but would be lucky to be a playoff team Top4, much less "compete for a Cup in '21-'22". Those are (2) 2nd pairings.
A lot of assumptions:
4OA is a F
4OA will be NHL ready
4OA will be a W
McIsaac is ready & plays his offside.
Nemeth is resigned.
DDK isn't claimed by SEA (if left unprotected) or traded.
Krug signs here.
Veleno will be a 2C & ready to be by '21.
Svech makes it as an NHL'er/overcomes injuries.
Helm is resigned?? why?
LGD on wing vs. Ehn (AHL fodder as of now)?
LGD isn't traded @TDL '20-'21.
Abby & Nielsen don't rebound & have great 30pt+ seasons...
A lot of assumptions:
4OA is a F
4OA will be NHL ready
4OA will be a W
McIsaac is ready & plays his offside.
Nemeth is resigned.
DDK isn't claimed by SEA (if left unprotected) or traded.
Krug signs here.
Veleno will be a 2C & ready to be by '21.
Svech makes it as an NHL'er/overcomes injuries.
Helm is resigned?? why?
LGD on wing vs. Ehn (AHL fodder as of now)?
LGD isn't traded @TDL '20-'21.
Abby & Nielsen don't rebound & have great 30pt+ seasons...
Gniwder
Registered User
Nothing about that roster says Cup, I doubt that lineup even makes the playoffs.
Stevie isn't going to sign Krug and Nemeth is TDL trade bait this coming season as is Helm and Backhand Luke. Smith, Brome, and Timashov will be on the roster instead.
Bondurant
Registered User
Whatever keeps you from taking a shower with a toaster.
That looks more like non-playoff roster. I have the wings entering playoffs at 2024-2025 earliest.
The Zetterberg Era
Ball Hockey Sucks
I think we see a lot more roster turnover than what is being proposed. Stevie is going to sell some of these guys.
Also if you sign Krug I think it is to play him with Seider long term. DK and Hronek can be together, until Seattle takes DK in the expansion draft.
Also if you sign Krug I think it is to play him with Seider long term. DK and Hronek can be together, until Seattle takes DK in the expansion draft.
2020-2021: Hopefully sign Krug, draft a forward at 4, insert some prospects and see inceased roles from other young guys. This team will be at or near the bottom of the standings again.
2021-2022: Increased growth from within, maybe sign another UFA who sees the ship is heading in the right direction. Big improvement, but still not a playoff team.
2022-2023: Here is where I believe we can start to talk about playoffs, and maybe could sneak in, but by no means are they realistic contenders yet.
2021-2022: Increased growth from within, maybe sign another UFA who sees the ship is heading in the right direction. Big improvement, but still not a playoff team.
2022-2023: Here is where I believe we can start to talk about playoffs, and maybe could sneak in, but by no means are they realistic contenders yet.
Henkka
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Did this fast-estimation on capfriendly.
CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster
FORWARDS (12)
Right wing:
Anthony Mantha ($6,800,000)
Tyler Bertuzzi ($5,250,000)
Filip Zadina ($894,167)
Givani Smith ($900,000)
Centre:
Dylan Larkin ($6,100,000)
Robby Fabbri ($2,950,000)
Michael Rasmussen ($1,200,000)
Chase Pearson ($800,000)
Left wing:
Evgeny Svechnikov ($1,000,000)
Cole Perfetti /4th overall ($925,000) -
Joseph Veleno ($894,167) -
Christoffer Ehn ($800,000)
DEFENSE Right:
Moritz Seider ($894,167)
Filip Hronek ($5,250,000)
Gustav Lindström ($900,000)
DEFENSE Left:
Torey Krug ($7,300,000)
Danny DeKeyser ($5,000,000)
Jared McIsaac ($764,167)
Dennis Cholowski ($900,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Marc-André Fleury ($7,000,000)
Filip Larsson ($836,666)
AHL BURIED (2)
Frans Nielsen ($4,125,000)
Justin Abdelkader ($3,125,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $64,608,334
Cap Space: $16,891,666
Just own guys signed, Krug from UFA, Fleury with trade. 7M goalie anyways, could be somebody else.
Nielsen and Abdelkader last dead weight for +7.2M + 16.9M = 24M in cap space for future use.
CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster
FORWARDS (12)
Right wing:
Anthony Mantha ($6,800,000)
Tyler Bertuzzi ($5,250,000)
Filip Zadina ($894,167)
Givani Smith ($900,000)
Centre:
Dylan Larkin ($6,100,000)
Robby Fabbri ($2,950,000)
Michael Rasmussen ($1,200,000)
Chase Pearson ($800,000)
Left wing:
Evgeny Svechnikov ($1,000,000)
Cole Perfetti /4th overall ($925,000) -
Joseph Veleno ($894,167) -
Christoffer Ehn ($800,000)
DEFENSE Right:
Moritz Seider ($894,167)
Filip Hronek ($5,250,000)
Gustav Lindström ($900,000)
DEFENSE Left:
Torey Krug ($7,300,000)
Danny DeKeyser ($5,000,000)
Jared McIsaac ($764,167)
Dennis Cholowski ($900,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Marc-André Fleury ($7,000,000)
Filip Larsson ($836,666)
AHL BURIED (2)
Frans Nielsen ($4,125,000)
Justin Abdelkader ($3,125,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $64,608,334
Cap Space: $16,891,666
Just own guys signed, Krug from UFA, Fleury with trade. 7M goalie anyways, could be somebody else.
Nielsen and Abdelkader last dead weight for +7.2M + 16.9M = 24M in cap space for future use.
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ShippinItDaily
Registered User
If:
- Zadina and Seider hit their potential
- 2020 and 2021 picks look like homeruns who are contributing
- A competant goalie is found
- One of Veleno or Rasmussen establish themselves as a #2/3 C tweener (at minimum)
- One of the other D prospects establishes a top 4 presence
Then Yzerman can work around the edges of a solid team. That's a LOT that needs to break right and even then, contender feels like a stretch because the elite talent really isn't there.
- Zadina and Seider hit their potential
- 2020 and 2021 picks look like homeruns who are contributing
- A competant goalie is found
- One of Veleno or Rasmussen establish themselves as a #2/3 C tweener (at minimum)
- One of the other D prospects establishes a top 4 presence
Then Yzerman can work around the edges of a solid team. That's a LOT that needs to break right and even then, contender feels like a stretch because the elite talent really isn't there.
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MBH
Players Play
Svech Larkin Mantha
Bertuzzi Fabbri Zadina
Galchenyuk Haula Timashov
Filppula Glendening Erne
(Abdelkader/Nielsen)
Dekeyser Seider -
Nemeth Hronek
Cholowski Braun
Biega
Bernier/Talbot
Line 1- Larkin and Mantha drive. Svech gets a shot to prove himself, works the boards, going to the net.
Line 2- The experiment. Bert-Fabbri showed some chemistry. Fabbri wants to be a C. Zadina gives them some scoring/skill. I worry a bit this line doesn't really skate that well or have much size, but I'm counting on IQ/Skill to carry the day.
Line 3- Bunch of new guys with some ability.
Line 4- Checking Line
D 1-Pairing- Seider learns alongside our most competent two-way defenseman. Eventually, would like to see Seider paired with an offensive guy, but for now, learning.
D 2-Pairing - Nemeth backs up Hronek.
D 2-Pairing - Braun gives Cholo a study veteran to play with.
Goalie-Talbot will be better than Howard. That alone buys us 10-15 points.
Braun 2x2.6
Haula 3x3.2
Talbot 2x3.2
Mantha 5x5.8
Bert 4x4.75
Galchenyuk 1x2.4
Helm traded, $1.8M absorbed.
$62,083,000 cap hit
$15,316,542 cap space.
UFAs who could be traded for picks during the season at the deadline.
Glendening. Filppula. Nemeth. Braun. Bernier, Galchenyuk.
I think this lineup keeps us near the bottom of the league. But maybe not dead last. And definitely not a trainwreck like last year.
Bertuzzi Fabbri Zadina
Galchenyuk Haula Timashov
Filppula Glendening Erne
(Abdelkader/Nielsen)
Dekeyser Seider -
Nemeth Hronek
Cholowski Braun
Biega
Bernier/Talbot
Line 1- Larkin and Mantha drive. Svech gets a shot to prove himself, works the boards, going to the net.
Line 2- The experiment. Bert-Fabbri showed some chemistry. Fabbri wants to be a C. Zadina gives them some scoring/skill. I worry a bit this line doesn't really skate that well or have much size, but I'm counting on IQ/Skill to carry the day.
Line 3- Bunch of new guys with some ability.
Line 4- Checking Line
D 1-Pairing- Seider learns alongside our most competent two-way defenseman. Eventually, would like to see Seider paired with an offensive guy, but for now, learning.
D 2-Pairing - Nemeth backs up Hronek.
D 2-Pairing - Braun gives Cholo a study veteran to play with.
Goalie-Talbot will be better than Howard. That alone buys us 10-15 points.
Braun 2x2.6
Haula 3x3.2
Talbot 2x3.2
Mantha 5x5.8
Bert 4x4.75
Galchenyuk 1x2.4
Helm traded, $1.8M absorbed.
$62,083,000 cap hit
$15,316,542 cap space.
UFAs who could be traded for picks during the season at the deadline.
Glendening. Filppula. Nemeth. Braun. Bernier, Galchenyuk.
I think this lineup keeps us near the bottom of the league. But maybe not dead last. And definitely not a trainwreck like last year.
MBH
Players Play
True.
But I'm trying to get three lines of hockey players.
Last year we had one line.
What looks better to you on Line 3?
Helm-Filppula-Timashov
Or
Galchenyuk-Haula-Timashov
Keep in mind we've got a Glendening-style line for Line 4 already.
MBH
Players Play
Henkka
Registered User
MBH
Players Play
Give them a year to get ready.
Neither guy tore up the AHL and proved they belonged.
Besides, in that prospect tournament, wasn't it Smith on their wing? And despite all their points, weren't they minus players who hemorrhaged goals against?
DetroitRed
Crashes the Crease
I think fans have explored a number of ways, like in your example, that the Wings could seriously compete for a playoff spot again fast if they were strategic about cap hit and free-agent signings. So, we could do that, but right now, obviously, it's more of a matter of building for long-term competitiveness.
I don't think it will take Stevie very much longer though. We're kinda counting chickens before they hatch at this point, but the defense is starting to seem exciting for the first time since Lidstrom retired. I think we already have some decent forwards that can be built around. Of course, we also need a goalie. However, not all of those needed pieces have to be our draftees. Therefore, it wont necessarily take long, but we still do need to draft a perpetual all-star or two before we're ready.
We recently entered a new phase of the rebuild where we are trading away players who were drafted by us during the rebuild for the rebuild. So, my impression is that we are getting toward the end. I mean, we're running out of old guys who are "tradeable" and we are running out of younger players who we want to trade. We've also got big irresponsible contracts getting close to coming off the books soon or that we can buy out. I think we're almost there.
I don't think it will take Stevie very much longer though. We're kinda counting chickens before they hatch at this point, but the defense is starting to seem exciting for the first time since Lidstrom retired. I think we already have some decent forwards that can be built around. Of course, we also need a goalie. However, not all of those needed pieces have to be our draftees. Therefore, it wont necessarily take long, but we still do need to draft a perpetual all-star or two before we're ready.
We recently entered a new phase of the rebuild where we are trading away players who were drafted by us during the rebuild for the rebuild. So, my impression is that we are getting toward the end. I mean, we're running out of old guys who are "tradeable" and we are running out of younger players who we want to trade. We've also got big irresponsible contracts getting close to coming off the books soon or that we can buy out. I think we're almost there.
Ghost of Ethan Hunt
The Official Ghost of Space Ghosts Monkey
Prospect Tourney game against the Hawks Toews line that Veleno's line had trouble with, but I don't remember if that was '18-'19 or this season.
this only goes back for '19-'20 though:
NHL Stat Leaders 2019-20 preseason - Top hockey players
Gniwder
Registered User
It'll be pretty interesting watching Drysdale play wing, but wouldn't he play on the right side?
MBH
Players Play
I'm talking about the prospect tournament
Detroit Red Wings Training Camp - on Pointstreak Sports Technologies
Veleno, for example leads the tournament in scoring, going 7-1-8 but ends up +/- 0.
Zadina goes 0-5-5 but -2.
Ghost of Ethan Hunt
The Official Ghost of Space Ghosts Monkey
Impressive, 6 out of top 15 are Wings prospects, including 4 of top 5. Too bad Kuffner didn't put it together after tying for lead in pts. That may come back to haunt us, but Hirose looked better in the season & that's not saying much at all as Taro was mostly crap.
Surprised how many highly touted names on that list: Kiviranta, Fox, Kravtsov, Texier, Robertson, Dellandrea.
MBH
Players Play
Ghost of Ethan Hunt
The Official Ghost of Space Ghosts Monkey
I see goalies as too volatile & hate overpaying/overterming them. 10% of $81.5M b/w 2 goalies is the most I'd care to spend if I were a contending teams GM. Starter (50-55gp), backup (27-32gp)
If we miss out on Lehner, Markstrom then I'd sign Murray in '21 if he makes it to UFA. I don't wanna be in a bidding war for a G, unless they're prime D.Hasek.
Meanwhile just get a cheap backup, any of these on short term 1-2yr max...Talbot, Griess, Khudobin ($1M extra for '20 PO performance ?), C.Anderson?.
MBH
Players Play
Talbot/Griess
That's about my speed right now.
Overspending/committing on a goalie right now seems crazy.
Even a potential goalie of the future I'd balk at. I just hate the idea of potentially ruining a goalie with this team.
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Shaman464
No u
This team isn't going anywhere near the SCF let alone winning it with Larkin as the #1 center and the plugs that still make up half that roster. That teams is a best a bubble team.
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