Prospect Info: 2020 Team Board Mock Draft

[FMichael]

I’ll start by saying that I’m rather ignorant of these kids in the draft.

That said - if Byfield/Stutzle are gone - me thinks the Wings are likely to pick Perfetti (considering his ties to the club).

 

[Henkka]

Raymond is getting all kinds of votes because of the Swede factor in Detroit.

Nope.

Pick	AVG	Range	Pos	2020 draft	Size/Hand	Nation
1	1,0	1	LW	Alexis Lafreniere	6'1 - L	CAN
2	2,0	2-4	C	Quinton Byfield	6'4 - L	CAN
3	2,4	2-4	C/LW	Tim Stützle	5'11 - L	GER
4	3,0	2-9	RW	Lucas Raymond	5'10 - R	SWE
5	4,2	3-8	LW	Alexander Holtz	6'0 - R	SWE
6	4,4	3-9	C/LW	Cole Perfetti	5'10 - L	CAN
7	4,8	3-16	C	Anton Lundell	6'1 - L	FIN
8	5,2	5-8	RD	Jamie Drysdale	5'11 - R	CAN
9	5,6	5-10	C	Marco Rossi	5'9 - L	AUT
10	8,7	7-18	G	Jaroslav Askarov	6'3 - R	RUS
11	9,4	8-31	LD	Jake Sanderson	6'1 - L	USA

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This is my 3 months old average rank, collected from 15 different draft ranks. Including Dobber prospects, Corey Pronman, Central Scouting, Prospect pipeline, McKeen's, Future considerations, The Draft Analyst, The hockey Writers (Larry Fisher), ISS etc.

The love for these Swedes comes from elsewhere. Not from games played after summer, or love from Detroit.

I love Perfetti, but still can see Yzerman pullin, Lundell at #4 if Stutzle or Byfield does not drop to #4. Centers are so important that they are BPAs in these close situations.

Wingers will drop again vs. all ranks, I'll pretty much quarantee it.

 

[Ulysses31]

oh frig its tied.

DRW have difficult choice to pick among stutzel, raymond, Rossi, Askarov, perfetti, drysdale etc. Anything can happen come Oct. 5.

1 thing im certain of is byfield and laf gone by 4th pick

 

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[GettingYourMoms]

Take Askarov Stevie, he will become our Price.

 

[ArmChairGM89]

I’m really starting to think we might see a little lundell curve ball on oct 6th

 

[SirloinUB]

I’m really starting to think we might see a little lundell curve ball on oct 6th

I actually like Lundell a lot. It’s so frustrating when prospects get characterized as a responsible two way forward. That’s not to say it’s an invalid description of certain prospects but once it’s out there, it seems many people box them in to a low ceiling which I think is unfair in some cases. Further, just because there is a prospect with high skill/potential/ceiling doesn’t mean they will actually be a better player.

Larkin > Perlini/Milano; Franzen > schremp

Lundell might not be the sexy pick but I don’t think it’s unrealistic for him to become one of the top 5 or 7 players in this draft.

 

[Frk It]

Lundell and Zary are 2 curveballs I’d be OK with. I could also see Yzerman liking Seth Jarvis a lot, but not sure enough to take him 4th.

 

[Ezekial]

Raymond has been too good this short SHL preseason for teams to not notice. I reckon he will be our pick if the Perfetti connection isn't as strong as people thing.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Raymond has been too good this short SHL preseason for teams to not notice. I reckon he will be our pick if the Perfetti connection isn't as strong as people thing.

Come on, we all know better than this. The list of NHL preseason gods is far more mediocre than you'd think.

Raymond is going to have the chance to play real games before the draft, so we'll see then. But it doesn't mean much right now.

 

[lilidk]

I’m really starting to think we might see a little lundell curve ball on oct 6th

Agreed, he is center and it will make difference where he goes

 

[lilidk]

Raymond has been too good this short SHL preseason for teams to not notice. I reckon he will be our pick if the Perfetti connection isn't as strong as people thing.

But , did you watch any game, did you see him improving

 

[Ezekial]

Come on, we all know better than this. The list of NHL preseason gods is far more mediocre than you'd think.

Raymond is going to have the chance to play real games before the draft, so we'll see then. But it doesn't mean much right now.

How often do we see NHL Draft eligible players in the NHL preseason?

Let's just not talk about preseason games then. NHL playoff talk only here boys. Even in the threads talking about these kids.

Raymond is a great prospect performing well the first time we've seen him in 6 months. I had him #4 then and he's #4 on my list now.

 

[Henkka]

Come on, we all know better than this. The list of NHL preseason gods is far more mediocre than you'd think.

Raymond is going to have the chance to play real games before the draft, so we'll see then. But it doesn't mean much right now.

Pelaajatilastot | Perustilastot | Valmistavat ottelut 2020-2021 | Tilastot | Liiga

This shows how great Puljujärvi has been at pre-season games.

Quite sure he won't score 120 points (in 60 games) in Finland.

 

[DetroitRed]

Perfetti at four seems dependent upon whether they think he's an NHL center. On that question, I think his size and skating make playing center about as unlikely as it is likely. Also, it would depend on how Perfetti compares offensively with Raymond. I cannot make this call, but that's what I think it comes down to.

Drysdale has always seemed like the surest bet of the three. He doesn't seem like the greatest need, but too many talented RHD is a good problem to have because, if worse comes to worse, you up trade them for the exact piece you need.

I guess that with the way 2020 hockey has gone, I'm not as confident in what I've seen from those forwards as I am in what Drysdale has shown. I know Stevie has seen more from these players than what I have seen, but I can't base my vote on what I don't know.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

How often do we see NHL Draft eligible players in the NHL preseason?

Let's just not talk about preseason games then. NHL playoff talk only here boys. Even in the threads talking about these kids.

Raymond is a great prospect performing well the first time we've seen him in 6 months. I had him #4 then and he's #4 on my list now.

The point wasn't something specific to NHL draft-eligible prospects, it was that players overachieve in preseason games and then slump in the regular season, and this happens very frequently. I don't think it's a stretch to say that it happens in lower level leagues, too. That's why we have to take a step back before evaluating. That's not to say we can't talk about those games, that's fine. He's playing well; that's cool. But people are clearly getting all worked up on here. Hence the vote, IMO.

I don't get the problem with this argument. Like, a good claim is both justified and true. I'm not saying the claim "Raymond has improved and is now playing at a higher level" is false. It might be true; I have no idea. I'm saying it's unjustified given the evidence. Performance, good or bad, in preseason games is poor quality evidence, and I think we all agree on that, deep down. But regular season games are much better quality evidence, so we should see soon enough.

 

[Henkka]

The point wasn't something specific to NHL draft-eligible prospects, it was that players overachieve in preseason games and then slump in the regular season, and this happens very frequently. I don't think it's a stretch to say that it happens in lower level leagues, too. That's why we have to take a step back before evaluate. That's not to say we can't talk about those games, that's fine. He's playing well; that's cool. But people are clearly getting all worked up on here. Hence the vote, IMO.

I don't get the problem with this argument. Like, a good claim is both justified and true. I'm not saying the claim "Raymond has improved and is now playing at a higher level" is false. It might be true; I have no idea. I'm saying it's unjustified given the evidence. Performance, good or bad, in preseason games is poor quality evidence, and I think we all agree on that, deep down. But regular season games are much better quality evidence, so we should see soon enough.

Yeah, agree with this.

And especially, when other prospects at same spots at draft are not playing at all, hyping the one who is playing easy games, is pretty much fooling just yourself.

Only thing I can say, is that I've seen only Lundell and Raymond playing at this pre-season, and Lundell looks better.

So if I would be forced to make some draft tweaks based on that, I would have to make a list where Lundell goes before him.

 

[Hasbro]

Calling it for Perfetti. thanks guys!

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

My gut tells me Perfetti or Raymond here.

 

[Ezekial]

The point wasn't something specific to NHL draft-eligible prospects, it was that players overachieve in preseason games and then slump in the regular season, and this happens very frequently. I don't think it's a stretch to say that it happens in lower level leagues, too. That's why we have to take a step back before evaluating. That's not to say we can't talk about those games, that's fine. He's playing well; that's cool. But people are clearly getting all worked up on here. Hence the vote, IMO.

I don't get the problem with this argument. Like, a good claim is both justified and true. I'm not saying the claim "Raymond has improved and is now playing at a higher level" is false. It might be true; I have no idea. I'm saying it's unjustified given the evidence. Performance, good or bad, in preseason games is poor quality evidence, and I think we all agree on that, deep down. But regular season games are much better quality evidence, so we should see soon enough.

Cool, I'll talk about his actual game production when it happens. What is he going to play? 1 game before the draft?

Two paragraphs saying preseason isn't worth the same as regular season. Dope dude no shit. The draft is less than 4 weeks away. Not gonna be much SHL regular season tape.

Edit: can someone tell me when the shl season actually begins? I can't find it

 

[Henkka]

Cool, I'll talk about his actual game production when it happens. What is he going to play? 1 game before the draft?

Two paragraphs saying preseason isn't worth the same as regular season. Dope dude no shit. The draft is less than 4 weeks away. Not gonna be much SHL regular season tape.

Edit: can someone tell me when the shl season actually begins? I can't find it

19th september.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Nope.

Pick	AVG	Range	Pos	2020 draft	Size/Hand	Nation
1	1,0	1	LW	Alexis Lafreniere	6'1 - L	CAN
2	2,0	2-4	C	Quinton Byfield	6'4 - L	CAN
3	2,4	2-4	C/LW	Tim Stützle	5'11 - L	GER
4	3,0	2-9	RW	Lucas Raymond	5'10 - R	SWE
5	4,2	3-8	LW	Alexander Holtz	6'0 - R	SWE
6	4,4	3-9	C/LW	Cole Perfetti	5'10 - L	CAN
7	4,8	3-16	C	Anton Lundell	6'1 - L	FIN
8	5,2	5-8	RD	Jamie Drysdale	5'11 - R	CAN
9	5,6	5-10	C	Marco Rossi	5'9 - L	AUT
10	8,7	7-18	G	Jaroslav Askarov	6'3 - R	RUS
11	9,4	8-31	LD	Jake Sanderson	6'1 - L	USA

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This is my 3 months old average rank, collected from 15 different draft ranks. Including Dobber prospects, Corey Pronman, Central Scouting, Prospect pipeline, McKeen's, Future considerations, The Draft Analyst, The hockey Writers (Larry Fisher), ISS etc.

The love for these Swedes comes from elsewhere. Not from games played after summer, or love from Detroit.

I love Perfetti, but still can see Yzerman pullin, Lundell at #4 if Stutzle or Byfield does not drop to #4. Centers are so important that they are BPAs in these close situations.

Wingers will drop again vs. all ranks, I'll pretty much quarantee it.

Interesting 15 source average. Thanks for compiling this as it adds 2 curveballs in the top 7 & drops 1 "Top4 for sure" Drysdale. If only each of the 15 sources could be weighted/accounted for by their past prediction success ratios (for Rd. 1), it'd likely be different.

 

[Gniwder]

Interesting 15 source average. Thanks for compiling this as it adds 2 curveballs in the top 7 & drops 1 "Top4 for sure" Drysdale. If only each of the 15 sources could be weighted/accounted for by their past prediction success ratios (for Rd. 1), it'd likely be different.

Rankings don't really consider team needs, I doubt Drysdale falls especially with Ottawa picking twice.