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Speculation: 2020 Offseason Trade Thread

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darkwingduck said:
I don't think Anaheim is a better team with Shattenkirk over Gudbranson, but the offense has been seriously anemic especially on the PP. For Terry, Milano, Steel to break out, they need to be put into a better position to score. Ultimately, I see the changes as a net zero, but hopefully the focus on offense will have a positive impact on players.
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If nothing else Shattenkirk will help our PP and in the sheltered minutes Fowler got last year he shouldn't hurt us defensively. I'd consider it a gain as long as others can maintain or improve the PK as well which is a good argument to keep Larsson in the lineup.
 
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duckpuck said:
Agree with this. I think he's also trying to support the kids in taking the next step by adding complimentary (not major) pieces fitting an organizational need that he feels will help with that - Shattenkirk is that. Ducks have had a glaring hole at RHD and a PP specialist for years.
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yeah not sure I agree with this.

I’d call Shattenkirk a “complimentary” piece but Murray tried trading for and paying Faulk to be a giant piece of our future.
 
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duckpuck said:
Agree with this. I think he's also trying to support the kids in taking the next step by adding complimentary (not major) pieces fitting an organizational need that he feels will help with that - Shattenkirk is that. Ducks have had a glaring hole at RHD and a PP specialist for years.
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IMO, GM Murray is still laying a path for our "forward youth" to become the major pieces on our team. I'd be up for trying to sign Hoffman, but we'd also be depressing the youth talent by taking away a top-6 spot. Murray's banking a lot on the two intermediaries of Milano and Heinen along with the youth corps of Steel, Jones, Terry, and Comtois to become major contributors at the NHL level. After that, he's got Zegras, Comtois, Tracey, and Perrault in the pipeline. Based on what Murray said about Zegras playing in the NHL would be at wing, it'll be a short stint just to give Zegras a taste and be sent back down to the AHL.

Murray doesn't trust our defensive youth in Larsson and Guhle, but Murray wanted a more sure of a thing than Curran, which is why he went after Shattenkirk. @Duck Off cited that Murray also tried going after Faulk, but for a longer term (because Faulk is much younger than Shattenkirk). Shattenkirk and Faulk are offensive minded RHD as well as Murray's original targets last off-season. Recalling that, it sort of made sense to trade away Guds and go back to plan 2019 off-season of acquiring Shattenkirk. Besides Shattenkirk, Murray acquired the services of Djoos via trade and Curran as a FA. Shattenkirk and Djoos pushes both Larsson and Guhle down from seeing top-4 minutes. And Curran might be pushing for that #6 spot as well, particularly since he can play the right side (as he has stated in interviews). Add insult to injury, the Ducks drafted Drysdale 6th overall in this past draft instead of adding an offensive forward - Murray didn't like our defensive prospect talent pool.
 

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yeah not sure I agree with this.

I’d call Shattenkirk a “complimentary” piece but Murray tried trading for and paying Faulk to be a giant piece of our future.
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Faulk and Shattenkirk were over a year apart. Not sure why people are assuming BM had the same view of his team now as he did then. He shouldn't.

Faulk is a typical BM type of player - old school and rugged. The kind he overpays for. Ducks dodged a bullet in avoiding that contract and instead trading Kase for a first.
 
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Faulk and Shattenkirk were over a year apart. Not sure why people are assuming BM had the same view of his team now as he did then. He shouldn't.

Faulk is a typical BM type of player - old school and rugged. The kind he overpays for. Ducks dodged a bullet in avoiding that contract and instead trading Kase for a first.
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he shouldn’t and maybe he doesn’t, but the point is last offseason, where our team was worse then it is now, he tried adding more than a complimentary piece. I’m not so sure he doesn’t try same thing if a larger piece was available. For RHD options, there wasn’t a lot out there.
 
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darkwingduck said:
I don't think Anaheim is a better team with Shattenkirk over Gudbranson, but the offense has been seriously anemic especially on the PP. For Terry, Milano, Steel to break out, they need to be put into a better position to score. Ultimately, I see the changes as a net zero, but hopefully the focus on offense will have a positive impact on players.
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Shattenkirk will make them better offensively on the PP and at ES and is better defensively than Gudbranson. But I still feel a top 6 scorer needs to be added, like a 25 goal, 50 point guy who is still in the early part of his prime. If Bob adds that then will be a little more hopeful for a playoff spot. But the kids also have to progress, and the vets and Gibson need to be good also.
 
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duckpuck said:
Faulk and Shattenkirk were over a year apart. Not sure why people are assuming BM had the same view of his team now as he did then. He shouldn't.

Faulk is a typical BM type of player - old school and rugged. The kind he overpays for. Ducks dodged a bullet in avoiding that contract and instead trading Kase for a first.
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BM did have the same view as last year: get an offensive RHD.

  • Last year during the offseason, BM offered RHD Shattenkirk a two-year deal worth $4 mil, but Shattenkirk chose to go to Tampa on a one-year deal worth $1.75 mil. Article citation on Aug 6, 2019: Link
  • A month after Shattenkirk chose Tampa, talks of trade for RHD Justin Faulk started and then faded away by mid-September. link
  • That's two swings at offensive-minded RHD that GM struck out on. The final swing was to trade for RHD Gudbranson, a stay-at-home defenseman, in-season in early October after the defense got hit with a rash of injuries. Link
We definitely dodged a bullet with Faulk and his $6.5 mil extension for seven years. Kase helped net a 1st round pick and a prospect RHD, Axel Andersson. That 1st round pick turned into the high-end, offensively talented Jacob Perrault, who fell in the draft due to work inconsistencies on the defensive side. Before free agency started, we traded Guds for a 2021 fifth round pick. We used a 2021 seventh rd pick and a low end prospect to acquire Guds as well as freeing up $4 mil cap space. Guds' cap space was used to help land Shattenkirk, an AAV of $3.9 mil for three years. At least we know Shattenkirk was able to show his game was still there last year.

The Ducks still added to the defense with Djoos and 30-year old prospect Curran (will turn 31 in mid-December). We also got lucky to land offensive-minded, two-way RHD Drysdale in the draft. It could have been a shutdown LHD in Sanderson.

Last year's blue line roster at the start of the season:
Lindholm-Manson
Guhle-Fowler
Larsson-Holzier
MDZ​

This year's blue line roster today (Oct 30th):
Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-Shattenkirk
Djoos- Larsson/Curran/Hakanpaa​

Also back into the mix is RHD Welinski as some depth on the right side. We've improved the talent and depth of our blue line, but we lost that known shutdown grit in Gudbranson. The only defenseman to show some of that grit beyond our top pairing is Larsson. Still, we have a PP QB in Shattenkirk and a very good offensive driver too (welp with TB). If Shattenkirk and Djoos can help pop that puck out of our end and into transition faster to our forwards, then that could make a huge difference. I don't know how improved the blue line is, but it is a better roster today than it was to start last season.
 
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Leonardo87 said:
But I still feel a top 6 scorer needs to be added, like a 25 goal, 50 point guy who is still in the early part of his prime. If Bob adds that then will be a little more hopeful for a playoff spot. But the kids also have to progress, and the vets and Gibson need to be good also.
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We'd have to trade for a player like that, but would be taking away from our NHL roster in doing so? I wouldn't mind packaging prospects (save Steel) for a young scorer, but most teams would rather keep them (unless there's other reasons behind wanted to trade a player like that away). Soon to be 31-year old FA LW Hoffman could be that top-6 known scorer that we could add, but I don't know if we can afford him and I dunno if we want to sign a 30+ forward to a multi-year contract (I'm kinda scarred from Kes and Eaves). There's gonna be a lot of crossing our fingers things improve with our the two TDL forwards of Milano and Heinen, the youths step up in production, and Rakell finding his 30-goal scoring touch once again.

Maybe with this long layoff, it'll help with more health recoveries for our defensemen in Lindholm and Manson. Get that resurgence like Teemu had with a year off from hockey.

I think as is that we can make the playoffs, but we really need Gibby to be superstar Gibby instead of very good Gibby. We'll be like last year's Stars team or the 2017-18 Ducks team, rely heavily on defense and team play. I don't think we're cup contenders because we have too many unknowns in our forward corps with respect to scoring production at the moment. If we do make it far in the playoffs, then it'll be because Gibby is channeling some Jiggy power.
 
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Why? Rowney does just fine in his role; why add another $2M+ in salary?
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Those were my thoughts. If we really want to replace Rowney with an offensive forward, we are better off signing someone better than Dzingel without giving up an asset. There are plenty of UFAs who can put up 30+ points who won’t cost $3M.
 
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