The Star: 2020 End of Season report card
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CantLoseWithMatthews
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calling Marner the heart of the team and saying he will win multiple selkes and challenge for the Art Ross sounds like a joke
Stopped reading when they gave an A to Marner
Ok I went further and they gave Barrie a C
this is like IGN where everything is either a 10 or a bad game is a 7
We missed the actual playoffs but nobody got a failing grade lmao
this is like IGN where everything is either a 10 or a bad game is a 7
We missed the actual playoffs but nobody got a failing grade lmao
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Agreed, 'A' seems a bit high. Not sure about Selkes but I could see an Art Ross in his future, spot on about being the 'teams heart'.
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Thought the same when I looked at it. Why stop at just the coach?
I guess for a Team expected to make the Playoffs and missing, a 'C' is a tad generous.
hamzarocks
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Marner is the only player om the leafs with a chance at the Art Ross. Going to be hard unless he ups his goal scoring but possible.
He is a ross/hart/lindsay challenger
Matthews is the only real threat to win the rocket on the leafs(he is a likely winner in the near future)
He is a rocket/hart/lindsay challanger.
Both have to up their production another tier or two but playing together and both hopefully working in their games extensively this offseason could maybe lead to a dominant Mcdavid/drai or mallin/Crosby type season from them.
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I'd say Matthews is just as credible an Art Ross threat. I found some of his passing in that 4-3 overtime come back vs CBJ to be a hint of some latent playmaking greatness if he was ever paired up with a sniping linemate. But Marner feasts on assists like few others.
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Did they not take expectations into account at all?
Spezza, Nylander as Bs?
Nylander easily had his best year and Spezza did all that was asked of him and more.
Same with Campbell and his B-, while Andersen gets a B after his worst year as a Leaf.
Mikheyev and Sandin overachieve and still get the same C grade as Barrie?
Spezza, Nylander as Bs?
Nylander easily had his best year and Spezza did all that was asked of him and more.
Same with Campbell and his B-, while Andersen gets a B after his worst year as a Leaf.
Mikheyev and Sandin overachieve and still get the same C grade as Barrie?
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Let’s look at the C’s and D’s shall we:
To start:
Kapanen
Johnsson
Kerfoot
Goat
Engvall
Petan
Malgin
Mikheyev
Barrie
Dermott
Ceci
Marincin
Hello Dubas. You need players like Kadri/Brown/Komarov, others like Savard (Columbus), Pesce, more Hyman, a Gallagher type, etc.
To start:
Kapanen
Johnsson
Kerfoot
Goat
Engvall
Petan
Malgin
Mikheyev
Barrie
Dermott
Ceci
Marincin
Hello Dubas. You need players like Kadri/Brown/Komarov, others like Savard (Columbus), Pesce, more Hyman, a Gallagher type, etc.
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These must be the regular season grades only.
The 2nd season and playoffs is where it really counts .. Much like students in University where the final exam is worth +60% of the over all mark on the year.
The 2nd season and playoffs is where it really counts .. Much like students in University where the final exam is worth +60% of the over all mark on the year.
Mitch was a B- ... too many night of floating this year
Willy was an A- ... was best player on team many many nights this year ... but sh*t show against a trap team like CBJ
Barrie was an E fail ... wrong add by Dubie as we had Rielly already ... bad bad bad fit for a team lacking defensive defenders
Willy was an A- ... was best player on team many many nights this year ... but sh*t show against a trap team like CBJ
Barrie was an E fail ... wrong add by Dubie as we had Rielly already ... bad bad bad fit for a team lacking defensive defenders
My playoff rankings, keeping contract money aside, I think Marner played solid A-, a minus because we didn't score enough but a couple bounces our way and Matthews and Tavares get a lot more goals and we win series. Marner's contract sucks but he's a good player, hes the guy everyone looks to pass to and he consistently moves the puck up the ice and creates chances. I'm not sure what others are watching when they criticize his game, yeah hes going to make mistakes because hes our go to guy for every scenario and sets up all of our plays. I think Matthews being more greedy on the powerplay would benefit Marner's criticism against. Matthews has to wire the puck regardless if people are blocking his lane. Nylander gets a D in the playoffs.
Literally our core: Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Rielly get As from me which is why i'm scared about this team. Our guys played well and we still lost because we cant afford depth.
The chicken and the egg, core plays well and depth sucks, the depth sucks because core is paid too much
Literally our core: Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Rielly get As from me which is why i'm scared about this team. Our guys played well and we still lost because we cant afford depth.
The chicken and the egg, core plays well and depth sucks, the depth sucks because core is paid too much
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I think Tavares deserves some recognition, whenever hes on the ice there is room to pass the puck around and make plays. Marner played solid with him, Nylander had a career year, Matthews looks sharp as ever when Tavares is on his wing
Marner being considered the team's heart pretty much sums up why this team is in the situation it is.
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Too high:
Marner
Clifford
Andersen
Marner should not be higher than Tavares... Definitely not an 'A'. Maybe a 'B' or 'B-' since he still worked hard and was able to maintain the production, but his shot has not improved and he is still far too easy to stop for a guy of his caliber.
Clifford is not a 'B'. He's a 'C' at best. He was ineffective most of the time, and considering how low his expectations were to begin with, that is not exactly a good thing. I wouldn't even take him back if he was asking for the same amount of money he made last year (1.6 mill)... If he wants 2-3 mill, then he can be an anchor on another team.
Andersen is not a 'B'. He had the worst season of his Leafs career by far and was a major hindrance for the Leafs all season. A big reason why we did not make any improvements this year, so he is a 'C'.
Too low:
Kapanen
Johnsson
Kerfoot
Mikheyev
I think the grades on the second-tier forwards were generally lazy. Mikheyev, Kerfoot and Kapanen are easy 'B' or 'B-' players. People talk about this team lacking players who can contribute in other ways when the offense is not going, and these guys did literally that. Mikheyev was one of the best PKers in the league and while his offense dried up in the playoffs, he was still working extremely hard in tight, provided value on the PK, and was a strong defensive player. Kapanen was not much different. Kerfoot had an injury which hampered him in the middle of the season, but he was one of the better players for the Leafs in the playoffs, somehow developed the ability to PK over the course of the year, and is an extremely smart 2-way player who can lead a two-way 3rd line that the Leafs probably want.
Johnsson deserves a 'C'. Injury killed half of his year, and the offense regressed a little bit after his shooting percentage was not quite as high and he was not given as many top 6 opportunities, but he was still on pace for something like 16 goals and 40 points. There is more to give, but a healthy year on another team could easily see him back to 20 goals and 40-50 points, especially if he is playing in a top 6 with good players.
The issue with this team is not that we had too many guys who had 'D' or 'F' level performances. The issue is that the majority of the team, either due to inconsistency or injury, were 'B' or 'C' level. They were not atrocious, but they were not playing their best for long enough periods of time, and that includes the playoffs. We need more guys to jump a tier or two, especially guys like Marner and Andersen.
Marner
Clifford
Andersen
Marner should not be higher than Tavares... Definitely not an 'A'. Maybe a 'B' or 'B-' since he still worked hard and was able to maintain the production, but his shot has not improved and he is still far too easy to stop for a guy of his caliber.
Clifford is not a 'B'. He's a 'C' at best. He was ineffective most of the time, and considering how low his expectations were to begin with, that is not exactly a good thing. I wouldn't even take him back if he was asking for the same amount of money he made last year (1.6 mill)... If he wants 2-3 mill, then he can be an anchor on another team.
Andersen is not a 'B'. He had the worst season of his Leafs career by far and was a major hindrance for the Leafs all season. A big reason why we did not make any improvements this year, so he is a 'C'.
Too low:
Kapanen
Johnsson
Kerfoot
Mikheyev
I think the grades on the second-tier forwards were generally lazy. Mikheyev, Kerfoot and Kapanen are easy 'B' or 'B-' players. People talk about this team lacking players who can contribute in other ways when the offense is not going, and these guys did literally that. Mikheyev was one of the best PKers in the league and while his offense dried up in the playoffs, he was still working extremely hard in tight, provided value on the PK, and was a strong defensive player. Kapanen was not much different. Kerfoot had an injury which hampered him in the middle of the season, but he was one of the better players for the Leafs in the playoffs, somehow developed the ability to PK over the course of the year, and is an extremely smart 2-way player who can lead a two-way 3rd line that the Leafs probably want.
Johnsson deserves a 'C'. Injury killed half of his year, and the offense regressed a little bit after his shooting percentage was not quite as high and he was not given as many top 6 opportunities, but he was still on pace for something like 16 goals and 40 points. There is more to give, but a healthy year on another team could easily see him back to 20 goals and 40-50 points, especially if he is playing in a top 6 with good players.
The issue with this team is not that we had too many guys who had 'D' or 'F' level performances. The issue is that the majority of the team, either due to inconsistency or injury, were 'B' or 'C' level. They were not atrocious, but they were not playing their best for long enough periods of time, and that includes the playoffs. We need more guys to jump a tier or two, especially guys like Marner and Andersen.
CincoHolio
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I didn't read the article but they said all that? Heart of the team? If that's the case, time for a transplant because the identity of this team is whack. Shoot me now.
CincoHolio
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Man, more and more I'm getting the feeling a lot of people including some media overrate the Leafs team too much. No, I am not new. But what are we falling in love with here? f*** ratings. Yes, I'm f***ing grumpy that I'm sitting at home and can't watch hockey again for another post season beyond the first round. 
Clark4Ever
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If Marner is the heart of this team, we're worse off than I thought.
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You dont have the highest ATOI among forwards playing every situation as a dud.
This is just a cheap attack.
