Series Talk: 2020 Avs Playoffs | Round 2: Dallas Stars

[henchman21]

Both teams proved last night they're just as prone to defensive breakdowns as the Avalanche. TBH I don't think Brayden McNabb is much better than either Zadorov or Cole, but I could be wrong. They have Nick effing Holden in a top-four role so that's telling to me. I like Schmidt and Theodore a lot but beyond that I don't love that defensive corps. Unless Zach Whitecloud is some stud-in-waiting and I'm missing something but all I ever see him do is find ways to faceplant into the boards and stuff.

Uhhh... Holden is not in their top 4. He's their #6. Their top 4 is Martinez-Theodore and McNabb-Schmidt. Holden-Whitecloud is their bottom pairing and Holden is a pure 6... and he gets FAR too much hate around here. He isn't a top 4 guy, but he's a good bottom pairing guy on any team in the league. Whitecloud isn't anything special, but he's going to be a NHL player for a long time. Maybe low end 4 at his peak.

 

[Pokecheque]

Uhhh... Holden is not in their top 4. He's their #6. Their top 4 is Martinez-Theodore and McNabb-Schmidt. Holden-Whitecloud is their bottom pairing and Holden is a pure 6... and he gets FAR too much hate around here. He isn't a top 4 guy, but he's a good bottom pairing guy on any team in the league. Whitecloud isn't anything special, but he's going to be a NHL player for a long time. Maybe low end 4 at his peak.

I could swear I've seen Holden take some even strength shifts with Schmidt, but maybe I'm just seeing things or they just got caught together in the middle of a change.

And I'm fairly certain the "Holden Hate Around Here" is about 90% me.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I could swear I've seen Holden take some even strength shifts with Schmidt, but maybe I'm just seeing things or they just got caught together in the middle of a change.

And I'm fairly certain the "Holden Hate Around Here" is about 90% me.

I am at least 1 of the other 10%, now if only I was in the 1% financially.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah I don’t get the Holden hate. He’s a fine bottom pairing but that’s about it. Play him any higher and he’ll get exposed like he did here.

 

[henchman21]

I could swear I've seen Holden take some even strength shifts with Schmidt, but maybe I'm just seeing things or they just got caught together in the middle of a change.

And I'm fairly certain the "Holden Hate Around Here" is about 90% me.

He has ~15 minutes with him in all situations during the playoffs out of 230. There is the odd shift or time they might get caught out there, but they don't play together as a pairing. He's squarely with Whitecloud.

I see it from others frequently too. Don't get me wrong, he's not a great player by any stretch... but no bottom pairing guys are. He's a cheap bottom pairing guy that has enough skating and ability that he can play up for spurts... you just need to keep enough talent ahead of him so the coach keeps him on the bottom pairing. We are probably going to have the same cycle with Graves here soon, and need to do the same.

 

[Pokecheque]

Maybe I'm overexaggerating my observations of his first two years in Colorado, where he was absolutely the epitome of a feast-or-famine guy. Put the puck in the net seemingly at will that first very truncated season he had in Colorado, and then was an unmitigated disaster in Year Two, at least defensively. Then rounded out a little better in Year Three.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He has ~15 minutes with him in all situations during the playoffs out of 230. There is the odd shift or time they might get caught out there, but they don't play together as a pairing. He's squarely with Whitecloud.

I see it from others frequently too. Don't get me wrong, he's not a great player by any stretch... but no bottom pairing guys are. He's a cheap bottom pairing guy that has enough skating and ability that he can play up for spurts... you just need to keep enough talent ahead of him so the coach keeps him on the bottom pairing. We are probably going to have the same cycle with Graves here soon, and need to do the same.

No one can ice the puck unforced like that dude.

 

[henchman21]

No one can ice the puck unforced like that dude.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Never really thought he did it as much with no one around him. Now the king of panic icings? Yes

 

[Pokecheque]

Oh yeah, Nemeth was the King of the unforced icing. To his credit he really cleaned that up in his second full year in the league though.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Oh yeah, Nemeth was the King of the unforced icing. To his credit he really cleaned that up in his second full year in the league though.

They were both elite in that category for sure. Damn possession nightmare.

 

[Pokecheque]

They were both elite in that category for sure. Damn possession nightmare.

Even worse that the Avs absolutely got their asses handed to them in the faceoff dot back then.

 

[Foppa2118]

Even worse that the Avs absolutely got their asses handed to them in the faceoff dot back then.

What do you mean back then?

 

[Richard88]

What do you mean back then?

 

[missionAvs]

Ugh I'm still heart broken over this series. So many f***ing injuries and such a shit way to lose when we were up with less than 4 minutes left. We need to go for it next season full balls on the table mode.

 

[Avsboy]

Ugh I'm still heart broken over this series. So many f***ing injuries and such a shit way to lose when we were up with less than 4 minutes left. We need to go for it next season full balls on the table mode.

I think about it a lot too. With a normal goalie this would've been an Avs victory.

 

[klozge]

Ugh I'm still heart broken over this series. So many f***ing injuries and such a shit way to lose when we were up with less than 4 minutes left. We need to go for it next season full balls on the table mode.

Maybe a team meeting before every game does the trick, because otherwise this won't happen with Bednar at the helm.

 

[Islay1989]

Speaking of Nemeth, that's a guy we could've used in the playoffs. Pit him on the PK instead of Graves and we are probably still playing.

 

[dahrougem2]

Uhhh... Holden is not in their top 4. He's their #6. Their top 4 is Martinez-Theodore and McNabb-Schmidt. Holden-Whitecloud is their bottom pairing and Holden is a pure 6... and he gets FAR too much hate around here. He isn't a top 4 guy, but he's a good bottom pairing guy on any team in the league. Whitecloud isn't anything special, but he's going to be a NHL player for a long time. Maybe low end 4 at his peak.

I like to hate on the idea of Nick Holden. The defensemen that we as fans can see is nothing more than a 3rd pairing defensemen but can trick coaches into more playing time.

That's Ryan Graves right now.

**** Ryan Graves.

 

[PAZ]

Ugh I'm still heart broken over this series. So many f***ing injuries and such a shit way to lose when we were up with less than 4 minutes left. We need to go for it next season full balls on the table mode.

Eh, it's shitty but at if Tampa loses to the Islanders, that would be so much worse.

I really hope they win it this year, because they'll be hungry as hell next season if they don't. Even if they lose 2 of Killorn/Gourde/Johnson I have a very hard time seeing any team beating them when they're healthy.

 

[missionAvs]

Eh, it's shitty but at if Tampa loses to the Islanders, that would be so much worse.

I really hope they win it this year, because they'll be hungry as hell next season if they don't. Even if they lose 2 of Killorn/Gourde/Johnson I have a very hard time seeing any team beating them when they're healthy.

It's not even the series loss that gets me that much, it's the manner in which they lost the game 7 that really upsets me. Very reminiscent of the Wild series game 7.

 

[Alex Jones]

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