2017 NHL reDRAFT #20

M2Beezy · Nov 11, 2018

koyvoo · Nov 11, 2018

Frost

Stizzle · Nov 12, 2018

Morgan Frost still being on the board seems questionable.

TheGoldenJet · Nov 12, 2018

Don’t think many voters have tuned in to see Liljegren’s dominant play on a top pairing in the AHL this season, otherwise he’d go in the 10 - 12 range again in a redraft.

How quickly people forget, Liljegren was considered the 8th best D prospect in hockey this summer:

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/top-10-defensive-prospects-2018-10th-overall.2515023/

Valimaki was 10th, Brannstrom 11th, Jokiharju nowhere on the map. Now Liljegren puts on a dominant performance in the AHL to start the season, and somehow he slides way down? Doesn’t compute.

If he had been rushed into the NHL like some other recent D prospects, maybe he skyrockets into the top 10 in an hfboards redraft as well. Toronto seems to be intent on developing him the right way though, and I can’t blame them for that.

SeaOfBlue · Nov 12, 2018

TheGoldenJet said:
Don’t think many voters have tuned in to see Liljegren’s dominant play on a top pairing in the AHL this season, otherwise he’d go in the 10 - 12 range again in a redraft.

How quickly people forget, Liljegren was considered the 8th best D prospect in hockey this summer:

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/top-10-defensive-prospects-2018-10th-overall.2515023/

Valimaki was 10th, Brannstrom 11th, Jokiharju nowhere on the map. Now Liljegren puts on a dominant performance in the AHL to start the season, and somehow he slides way down? Doesn’t compute.

If he had been rushed into the NHL like some other recent D prospects, maybe he skyrockets into the top 10 in an hfboards redraft as well. Toronto seems to be intent on developing him the right way though, and I can’t blame them for that.

I can understand Brannstrom and Jokiharju, but not Valimaki. I think if it was up to me, Jokiharju is in at 8, then 9-15 is some mix of Necas, Chytil, Liljegren, Brannstrom, Tolvanen, Andersson, Thomas and then you get into Valimaki, Vilardi, Suzuki, Frost, Rasmussen, Comtois, Vesalainen, etc. So nothing too huge besides dropping Valimaki closer to where he was drafted in the first place, and where he still belongs.

Liljegren should be the no-brainer here, but Frost should also get a ton of votes and be next. After that, probably Vesalainen will run away with it.

jetsforever · Nov 12, 2018

Morgan Frost has a great name

edguy · Nov 12, 2018

I don't think he will win this poll, but I will say this. I wouldn't trade Drake Batherson for a single name left on that list.
He was under rated on draft day and will probably be under rated here too.

bert · Nov 12, 2018

edguy said:
I don't think he will win this poll, but I will say this. I wouldn't trade Drake Batherson for a single name left on that list.
He was under rated on draft day and will probably be under rated here too.

Stud player

HanSolo · Nov 12, 2018

TheGoldenJet said:
Don’t think many voters have tuned in to see Liljegren’s dominant play on a top pairing in the AHL this season, otherwise he’d go in the 10 - 12 range again in a redraft.

How quickly people forget, Liljegren was considered the 8th best D prospect in hockey this summer:

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/top-10-defensive-prospects-2018-10th-overall.2515023/

Valimaki was 10th, Brannstrom 11th, Jokiharju nowhere on the map. Now Liljegren puts on a dominant performance in the AHL to start the season, and somehow he slides way down? Doesn’t compute.

If he had been rushed into the NHL like some other recent D prospects, maybe he skyrockets into the top 10 in an hfboards redraft as well. Toronto seems to be intent on developing him the right way though, and I can’t blame them for that.

What exactly is so dominant about 7 points in 12 games? That puts him at 39th in scoring among AHL defenders.

I don't doubt that Lily is a good player with great potential but I keep seeing people talk about how dominant he's been, but I don't really think 2 goals and 5 assists is necessarily dominating.

M2Beezy · Nov 12, 2018

Its truly an underrated draft. Guys like Vaakanann shouldnt be dropping in rankings, but theres a lotta good guys who went ahead of him. And Timmins should be more of a riser than this but is still onboard. Foote is no slouch either and is still sitting there. Vesalainen too

Haatley · Nov 12, 2018

SeaOfBlue said:
I can understand Brannstrom and Jokiharju, but not Valimaki. I think if it was up to me, Jokiharju is in at 8, then 9-15 is some mix of Necas, Chytil, Liljegren, Brannstrom, Tolvanen, Andersson, Thomas and then you get into Valimaki, Vilardi, Suzuki, Frost, Rasmussen, Comtois, Vesalainen, etc. So nothing too huge besides dropping Valimaki closer to where he was drafted in the first place, and where he still belongs.

Liljegren should be the no-brainer here, but Frost should also get a ton of votes and be next. After that, probably Vesalainen will run away with it.

You mean NHL defenceman, Jusso Valimaki?

Sasso09 · Nov 12, 2018

No chance Frost goes out of top 15. This board really likes to shit on Flyers players and prospects.

Giroux isn't elite
Granlund is better than Couturier
Patrick has a ceiling of a 2C
Now Frost is behind Suzki and Rasmussen?

Edit: I sound like a disgruntled leafs fan, sorry

TheGoldenJet · Nov 12, 2018

HanSolo said:
What exactly is so dominant about 7 points in 12 games? That puts him at 39th in scoring among AHL defenders.

I don't doubt that Lily is a good player with great potential but I keep seeing people talk about how dominant he's been, but I don't really think 2 goals and 5 assists is necessarily dominating.

Which is why I posted initially that I doubt many of the voters have seen him play this season. He’s on Toronto’s top pairing at even strength and on the top PK unit. He is playing at an elite level at both ends of the ice. He hasn’t been gifted top unit PP time and despite being on the second unit is on pace for 48 points (over 82 games). He’s absolutely on pace for a dominant season at the AHL level, and he’s still a WJC eligible junior to boot.

HanSolo · Nov 12, 2018

TheGoldenJet said:
Which is why I posted initially that I doubt many of the voters have seen him play this season. He’s on Toronto’s top pairing at even strength and on the top PK unit. He is playing at an elite level at both ends of the ice. He hasn’t been gifted top unit PP time and despite being on the second unit is on pace for 48 points (over 82 games). He’s absolutely on pace for a dominant season at the AHL level, and he’s still a WJC eligible junior to boot.

Well there you go.

WetcoastOrca · Nov 12, 2018

TheGoldenJet said:
Which is why I posted initially that I doubt many of the voters have seen him play this season. He’s on Toronto’s top pairing at even strength and on the top PK unit. He is playing at an elite level at both ends of the ice. He hasn’t been gifted top unit PP time and despite being on the second unit is on pace for 48 points (over 82 games). He’s absolutely on pace for a dominant season at the AHL level, and he’s still a WJC eligible junior to boot.

No is saying he’s not a good prospect. But unless you watch every other prospect a lot how can you say he’s better than them. I’d pick him a couple of spots from now but he’s in the mix.

TheGoldenJet · Nov 12, 2018

WetcoastOrca said:
No is saying he’s not a good prospect. But unless you watch every other prospect a lot how can you say he’s better than them. I’d pick him a couple of spots from now but he’s in the mix.

I feel pretty confident that when all is said and done he’ll hold greater value than several of the names already on that list. With defenders it’s not about who gets rushed to the NHL the quickest, it’s about developing prospects the right way.

NJ DevLolz · Nov 12, 2018

Liljegren or Batherson. Went Lilly

Addison Rae · Nov 12, 2018

Sasso09 said:
No chance Frost goes out of top 15. This board really likes to **** on Flyers players and prospects.

Giroux isn't elite
Granlund is better than Couturier
Patrick has a ceiling of a 2C
Now Frost is behind Suzki and Rasmussen?

Edit: I sound like a disgruntled leafs fan, sorry

LMAO do you really think fans care so much about a mediocre franchise like the Flyers?

Come on

Haatley · Nov 12, 2018

TheGoldenJet said:
I feel pretty confident that when all is said and done he’ll hold greater value than several of the names already on that list. With defenders it’s not about who gets rushed to the NHL the quickest, it’s about developing prospects the right way.

Who was rushed?

Was Morgan Rielly rushed?

Emerz · Nov 12, 2018

Vaakanainen looked great in his NHL games already, not sure how he drops spots in a re-draft so I went ahead and voted for him in this spot. Too bad Boro elbowed him in the face lol

WetcoastOrca · Nov 12, 2018

TheGoldenJet said:
I feel pretty confident that when all is said and done he’ll hold greater value than several of the names already on that list. With defenders it’s not about who gets rushed to the NHL the quickest, it’s about developing prospects the right way.

Meh. We’ll see. Leaf fans were calling him the steal of the draft right after the draft. He’s a decent pick but dropped a bit since the draft.
Lots of good prospects here.
He’s about where he should be.

Maplebeasts · Nov 12, 2018

Haatley said:
Who was rushed?

Was Morgan Rielly rushed?

Morgan Rielly was not on the trajectory he's on now until Babs came and reigned him in a bit. If you asked me as early as three years ago if I thought he'd ever reach the level he's at now I would have said no.

Panthaz89 · Nov 12, 2018

Sasso09 said:
No chance Frost goes out of top 15. This board really likes to **** on Flyers players and prospects.

Giroux isn't elite
Granlund is better than Couturier
Patrick has a ceiling of a 2C
Now Frost is behind Suzki and Rasmussen?

Edit: I sound like a disgruntled leafs fan, sorry

Til a player makes a real impact in the NHL you can hardly say anything that is really that convincing when you are comparing them simply to other prospects........numbers in a minor league usually isn't going to impact your status all that much especially if a certain player lacks an ideal size.

TheGoldenJet · Nov 12, 2018

WetcoastOrca said:
Meh. We’ll see. Leaf fans were calling him the steal of the draft right after the draft. He’s a decent pick but dropped a bit since the draft.

Can’t really explain him dropping with the start he’s had this year, so I disagree there. But you’re right, we’ll see what the future holds.

TheGoldenJet · Nov 12, 2018

Maplebeasts said:
Morgan Rielly was not on the trajectory he's on now until Babs came and reigned him in a bit. If you asked me as early as three years ago if I thought he'd ever reach the level he's at now I would have said no.

Rielly was also a top 5 pick.

Ainec · Nov 12, 2018

this is a deep draft (LOL at @Tryamkin arguing with me that it was not last yr), no surprise that Frost is not in the top 15

there is no conspiracy

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