2016 LMHF Report - Game #2

[OnTheBrink]

More speculation from a "source" on Hall's attitude. Great.

Watch him in any interview he's done this year and tell me his attitude sucks. I'm so sick of reading this "pouting" **** and the speculation about his feelings. Guy takes a penalty after getting ****ed over by the officials on a non call 20 seconds earlier and now he's pouting. Give me a break.

He's played fine the last three games and was arguably our best player in two of them. Can we just leave it at that?

I said nothing about his attitude other then that he pouted specifically on the penalty play. All I said was I heard he was unhappy with Edmonton situation, and I speculated why. Can you blame him after being on a bottom team since coming into the league. I complimented his play lately as well I don't hate Hall. I am sure that winning will kill any unhappiness he had towards the Oilers, so let's hope they keep it up.

 

[K1984]

I said nothing about his attitude other then that he pouted specifically on the penalty play. All I said was I heard he was unhappy with Edmonton situation, and I speculated why. Can you blame him after being on a bottom team since coming into the league. I complimented his play lately as well I don't hate Hall. I am sure that winning will kill any unhappiness he had towards the Oilers, so let's hope they keep it up.

I'm speaking to everyone generally here.

And why is "pouting" that adjective that has to get used for Hall specifically in this situation? Would Nuge, McDavid, Eberle, Yak get called pouters after being pissed of that the refs screwed him over with a clear double standard call? There always seems to be a double standard with Hall and it's kind of rediculous.

 

[hctu]

Good report LMHF! Always enjoy.

I hate to say it but I think he is pouting because he is not the biggest fish in the sea of Edmonton anymore, I have from a pretty good source he has been unhappy all summer about his situation in Edmonton, I am sure not putting tons of points on the board is making it even worse though. I think he is looking much better defensively and is drawing a ton of penalties though which is big for this team.

Come on, do you really "hate to say it"? Is this the same "source" from others on HF in previous years but that says Hall is a "cancer in the locker room" without any proof? I have a pretty good source that says your source is crap because I've seen nothing but positives from Hall this year. He seems much more mature in the interviews I've seen. People really need to stop making up "sources" for credibility to their argument!

I will apologize in advance if you'd name your source!

 

[IV XIV XCI]

More speculation from a "source" on Hall's attitude. Great.

Watch him in any interview he's done this year and tell me his attitude sucks. I'm so sick of reading this "pouting" **** and the speculation about his feelings. Guy takes a penalty after getting ****ed over by the officials on a non call 20 seconds earlier and now he's pouting. Give me a break.

He's played fine the last three games and was arguably our best player in two of them. Can we just leave it at that?

I agree.
I think he is just more mature than he used to be and isn't letting his emotions get the best of him.

Also, for people who are judging players based on facial expressions, please step back a second and remember what eastern media and fans said when they showed mcdavid's face after the oilers won the lottery. You guys sound a bit like those people did.

 

[DisgruntledGoat*]

I watch a game in which Hall consistently had the puck moving the right way, where he was decent in his own zone, and where he generally displayed some veteran smarts.

Then I come on here and I read some TMZ level nonsense about pouting, mad that he doesn't get to play with McDavid, anonymous 'sources'...

I honestly think some people enjoy this more than the actual hockey.

 

[Gord]

I watch a game in which Hall consistently had the puck moving the right way, where he was decent in his own zone, and where he generally displayed some veteran smarts.

Then I come on here and I read some TMZ level nonsense about pouting, mad that he doesn't get to play with McDavid, anonymous 'sources'...

I honestly think some people enjoy this more than the actual hockey.

I wasn't starting tmz level crap. just watching him play I was trying to understand why I get the sense of him pouting or not being committed to the teams new style of play.
something doesn't seem right to me about him.

Bangers at least had a nice response to why someone may get that sense instead of going into hulk mode and blindly defending him while accusing people of trashing him.

how about instead of I get a sense of pouting or something wrong, I just say he seems to have a hard time adapting to the teams new style of play and his role in that play. He seems to not fit into the structure the oilers are working on.

 

[Juxta Position]

I wasn't starting tmz level crap. just watching him play I was trying to understand why I get the sense of him pouting or not being committed to the teams new style of play.
something doesn't seem right to me about him.

Bangers at least had a nice response to why someone may get that sense instead of going into hulk mode and blindly defending him while accusing people of trashing him.

how about instead of I get a sense of pouting or something wrong, I just say he seems to have a hard time adapting to the teams new style of play and his role in that play. He seems to not fit into the structure the oilers are working on.

then your're in the minority on that one. he seems to be fitting in just fine considering he's had games for us where he was the best player on the ice, even with mcdavid playing. he's an intense guy, pouting and being mad at a ****** call by the refs, are 2 very different things. but i guess people will see what they want to see, whether its actually there or not.


thanks for the report LMHF, always love reading them.

 

[Spawn]

I wasn't starting tmz level crap. just watching him play I was trying to understand why I get the sense of him pouting or not being committed to the teams new style of play.
something doesn't seem right to me about him.

Bangers at least had a nice response to why someone may get that sense instead of going into hulk mode and blindly defending him while accusing people of trashing him.

how about instead of I get a sense of pouting or something wrong, I just say he seems to have a hard time adapting to the teams new style of play and his role in that play. He seems to not fit into the structure the oilers are working on.

In what way? He was the teams best player the three game prior to last night and was good last night too. Fun fact. The goal against in the 3rd period was the first one of the year against that he's been on the ice for outside of empty net goals.

In his own zone he's been excellent. He creates a bucket load of chances in the offensive zone, draws a tonne of penalties and has greatly reduced his offensive zone turnovers the past few games.

I'm genuinely curious why you think he doesn't fit the structure of the team?

 

[EpSoNiight]

Another hall bashing thread

OH JOY

Didn't get to watch the game but glad the boys got the W

 

[LTIR]

I knew that this will be the main discussion today at hfoil after Hall took that penalty last night.. Sure he lost his cool but his passion is what drives him to do what only select few in hockey could do. Be an Elite player in the best hockey league in the world.

Do I want him to be the captain of Oilers... No... do I want him to be a core player on this team YES x 10.

 

[McDreamy]

I don't think Hall is pouting, I think he is playing decent hockey. The effort is there, it's just not clicking yet. I wish he would stop tapping his stick on the ice looking for passes though, I think he has done it every game this year. If you want the puck, use your voice.

I’ll tell you one more thing you might not know about my job: You cannot, under any circumstances, tap your stick on the ice to call for a pass, no matter how open you are. I did this once during my first year in Dallas. Brad Richards was my linemate. The guy is one of the best teammates I ever had. Brad was coming down on a rush with the puck and I found some space. I thought I was open, so I started banging my stick on the ice like we were playing street hockey.

When we got back to the bench, he looked over at me and shook his head. Instantly, I realized: Oh, man. Conn Smythe. Stanley Cup. Brad Richards. I think I messed up.

He goes, “Kid, if you ever bang your stick on the ice again, you’ll never get another pass from me.â€

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/james-neal-predators-sniper/

 

[Gord]

then your're in the minority on that one. he seems to be fitting in just fine considering he's had games for us where he was the best player on the ice, even with mcdavid playing. he's an intense guy, pouting and being mad at a ****** call by the refs, are 2 very different things. but i guess people will see what they want to see, whether its actually there or not.


thanks for the report LMHF, always love reading them.

and that's fine. I don't mind having a difference of opinion, and I didn't say I was correct.
but people have to remember we all just have an opinion, so I do mind when instead a rebuttal, people get their backs up and rant about tmz, rumor mongering and being nothing but a Hall basher.

I just think his "passion" and intensity has to be used smartly. to me he doesn't look quite in sync with everyone else. I also think that he too often tries to do too much himself and seems to get too upset when It doesn't work out. I admit I haven't watched every second of every game. I also admit that I could be totally wrong. just what I was felling today in regards to watching him play.

to me, people look worse for their mindless and rabid defense of Hall, than from one comment from me that I get a negative impression from him on the ice and one of those impressions is akin to pouting.

 

[Markiw17]

Hall has 35 shots...most in the league as of this morning. I don't think a player who is playing bad would have 35 shots in 7 games. He's just not finding the back of the net.

 

[Dorian2]

and that's fine. I don't mind having a difference of opinion, and I didn't say I was correct.
but people have to remember we all just have an opinion, so I do mind when instead a rebuttal, people get their backs up and rant about tmz, rumor mongering and being nothing but a Hall basher.

I just think his "passion" and intensity has to be used smartly. to me he doesn't look quite in sync with everyone else. I also think that he too often tries to do too much himself and seems to get too upset when It doesn't work out. I admit I haven't watched every second of every game. I also admit that I could be totally wrong. just what I was felling today in regards to watching him play.

to me, people look worse for their mindless and rabid defense of Hall, than from one comment from me that I get a negative impression from him on the ice and one of those impressions is akin to pouting.

I think "pouting" is simply the wrong word to use, that about it.

"Frustrated" may be a better choice. I've been noticing more frustration from players in general on this team when they tend to make a glaring mistake at one point in the game or another. Especially when they know better and it's fairly obvious that over time they've been working at correcting the mistakes.

These guys just want to play well for their new coach IMO.

 

[DisgruntledGoat*]

I wasn't starting tmz level crap. just watching him play I was trying to understand why I get the sense of him pouting or not being committed to the teams new style of play.
something doesn't seem right to me about him.

Bangers at least had a nice response to why someone may get that sense instead of going into hulk mode and blindly defending him while accusing people of trashing him.

how about instead of I get a sense of pouting or something wrong, I just say he seems to have a hard time adapting to the teams new style of play and his role in that play. He seems to not fit into the structure the oilers are working on.

Maybe reread the thread before you accuse anyone else of 'blindingly defending' something. Not everythings about you, although you're right, your original post was pretty pointless.

 

[Replacement*]

I think "pouting" is simply the wrong word to use, that about it.

"Frustrated" may be a better choice. I've been noticing more frustration from players in general on this team when they tend to make a glaring mistake at one point in the game or another. Especially when they know better and it's fairly obvious that over time they've been working at correcting the mistakes.

These guys just want to play well for their new coach IMO.

Mclellan has a good and reasonable take on just about everything. I'll just start quoting him more instead of making my own points..

He says that Hall when frustrated takes himself out of the game and his best possible play. Its a pattern that's been noted, talked about, and with Hall given feedback on this. Mclellan has pointed out that Halls performance and efficacy drops when he gets frustrated and has pointed out instances already.

This is in contrast to a player like Pouliot who when pissed off starts hammering people into the boards and being very effective and a handful.

I would much rather have the player that is effective in his normal state although perhaps Hall can learn to funnel his anger and take it out on the opposition like Messier did.

Hall does need to grow up a bit more. Its past the age where his emotions should be impacting his play. That said he's a very good player.

Thanks for the reviews LMHF. Agreeing with most of what you put up there. Something must be wrong..

 

[Replacement*]

I watch a game in which Hall consistently had the puck moving the right way, where he was decent in his own zone, and where he generally displayed some veteran smarts.

Then I come on here and I read some TMZ level nonsense about pouting, mad that he doesn't get to play with McDavid, anonymous 'sources'...

I honestly think some people enjoy this more than the actual hockey.

Maybe reread the thread before you accuse anyone else of 'blindingly defending' something. Not everythings about you, although you're right, your original post was pretty pointless.

These are really harsh assessments of a pretty reasonable poster. Can we stop the attacks?

Man, the team is playing better now and people still at each others throats here.

Its not unrealistic to think that Hall wants to be playing with McDavid because he's pretty much said so. Anybody would.

lets not get unrealistic here either. This is the monetary world of pro sports. Whoever does land with McDavid longterm or for any length of time is going to be building value added onto their contract. Hall is already locked in anyway. But for a guy like Yak a McDavid assignment is a homerun every game every year if he can hang onto it. I stated a week and a half ago this is Yaks bigtime to shine. He's doing that.

Lets all be happy.