tony d
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Most of us have our rosters done now, so I thought I'd post this thread, will post the Caribous final roster later today or tomorrow.
Lahti Pelicans
Coach: Eddie Gerard
Marc Tardif -- Nicklas Bäckström -- Viktor Shalimov
Red Hamill -- Scott Gomez -- Jiri Lala
Baldy Cotton -- Patrik Sundstrom -- Chico Maki
Rob Zamuner -- Charlie Burns --Charlie Sands
Bill Ezinicki, RW Alex Burrows, RW Geoff Courtnell, LW (Sands and Zamuner can both play C)
Lou Fontinato -- Bryan McCabe
Niklas Kronwall -- Mario Marois
Percy Traub -- John Van Boxmeer
Alex Pietrangelo
John Bouse Hutton
Don Edwards
PP1: Tardif - Backstrom - Shalimov - McCabe - Van Boxmeer
PP2: Hamill - Gomez - Lala - Kronwall - Marois
PK1: Burns - Maki - Fontinato - Traub
PK2: Zamuner - Cotton - McCabe - Marois
PK3: Sands/Backstrom/Sundstrom
Mt. Brydges Bulldogs
Coach: Jan Starsi
Alexander Semin-Mike Ribeiro-Tomas Sandstrom
Tom Lysiak-Steve Sullivan-Phil Kessel
Gaetan Duchesne-Michal Handzus-Leo Labine
Bob Probert-Lorne Henning-Pat Flatley
Metro Prystai, Vinny Prospal
Larry Hillman-Bob Murdoch
Ted Graham-Weldy Young
Mark Streit-Bob Trapp
George Owen, Behn Wilson
Olaf Kolzig
Dan Bouchard
PP1
Semin-Ribeiro-Sandstrom
Streit-Young
PP2
Lysiak-Sullivan-Kessel
Hillman-Murdoch
PK1
Duchesne-Henning
Graham-Murdoch
PK2
Handzus-Flatley
Hillman-Wilson
As usual, I will try to offer comments to every team that has bios linked in their roster post. Since I joined this draft late in the process, my valuation of what is good/bad for a certain line or pairing will likely be slightly off. I apologize in advance for this.
Forwards
Looks like a very good first line. Backstrom is one of the best offensive players in the draft, and he's flanked by two goalscorers that can take advantage of his passing abilities. For being the "glue guy" of the line, Tardif brings very good offense. Convert his WHA point totals and his 7 year VsX comes out to around 64.5. They'll be fine defensively, nothing special.
If Gomez is the most pass-biased player in the draft, Hamill might be the most goal-biased, so they'll feed off each other well. Lala is a very strong offensive player for a second line. This line can definitely put up some points, and Hamill works as the physical guy. They appear a bit weak defensively, as Hamill and Lala don't really bring anything in that department, and from my viewings Gomez was inconsistent with his defensive play (correct me if I'm wrong, you've certainly seen him more). Very strong offensively though.
Nice mix of intangibles on the third line. They'll be gritty, can chip in points, and are very capable in their own zone as well. No complaints here. Could play in all situations.
4th line looks like a shutdown, PKer filled line. They won't be scoring too many goals, but they'll serve their purpose on the PK and in shadowing situations.
Don't see any big weaknesses with the forwards. Very talented top six and a useful bottom six. If I had to nitpick something it would probably be the defensive ability of the second line or that Tardif's glue guy abilities are not as substantiated as I would prefer. There's two quotes, and one is from his coach (and I believe it was you that has mentioned to take what coaches say about their own players with a grain of salt).
Defense
This could be me just perceiving value wrong, but Fontinato seems a bit out of place on a top pairing. Seems more like a second pairing guy to me. He's an interesting choice to go with McCabe, as both were a bit reckless out on the ice and could take themselves out of position going for the big hit. They'll be very difficult to play against, that's for sure. McCabe is probably one of the best defensemen in the draft.
Seems like a solid, but unspectacular second pairing. They bring everything necessary, but neither stands out as being elite in their role.
Would it be crazy to think that Traub could be your second best defenseman? He has three seasons of probably being a ~top 12 defenseman in the world, but it's hard to judge. Either way, I think he's very good for a 3rd pairing, and complements a puck-mover in Van Boxmeer well.
McCabe and Traub stand out as being good in their roles, the others seem about average.
Goalies
Hutton has typically been an ATD backup, so he should be a solid option here, an above average goalie (though I have little concept of the goalies in this draft). Edwards could pass as a starter in this draft, so he's a nice backup.
Thanks for the review; I agree with most of it.
Quotes where a coach lavishes excessive praise on his own player should be ignored - the example off the top of my head is when Bill Cook's old coach declared him the best player of all-time after Maurice Richard and Gordie Howe had already established themselves. Here, Scottie Bowman is telling the media that he is keeping a young Marc Tardif in the lineup as a physical presence. I see no reason to think that is an evaluation made through rose-colored glasses, just a mention of the (at the time) standout skill of a young, unproven player. I think it's pretty clear that Tardif was used primarily as a physical presence in Montreal - how much he kept up that physical game when he exploded offensively in the WHA is less clear.
"Inconsistent" is a good description of Gomez's defensive effort.
I don't see why Percy Traub or your Bob Pratt fell so far - IMO, they are among the best defensive defensemen in the entire draft with their multiple All-Star nods in the WCHL.
But I think Fontinato is one of the best defensive defensemen too. Very few defensemen in the MLD have more than one top 10 Norris finish, and Lou has two - 7th in 1959 and 9th in 1963.
I could see Traub moving up to this pairing if Fontinato is serving a long penalty.
Hutton is really hard to evaluate. We had our eyes on 3 non-NHL goalies - Lindmark, Kralik, and Hutton. (Possibly should have had our eyes on Martin too). When Lindmark and Kralik went, we went with Hutton. What we do know about Hutton - he backstopped the Silver Seven dynasty and is the only HHOF goalie not drafted in the main draft. It's pretty sparse information, and IIRC, there wasn't much more on google archives even when it worked properly. I do think that with what we know, there's a pretty good chance that Hutton is an above average goaltender here. At the very least, he shouldn't be far behind fellow HHOFer Riley Hern (if behind him at all), and he should definitely be ahead of the non-HHOF early goalies like Tom Paton and Billy Nicholson
The first thing that jumps out to me is that you've got quite a few eccentrics on the team: Ribeiro, Probert, Syomin, Kessel. What can you tell me about your leadership (and who's wearing letters) and coaching that will make this a cohesive group?
Alberta Golden Bears
Coach : Marc Crawford
Thomas Vanek - Claude Giroux - Keith Crowder
Venjamin Alexandrov - Victor Shuvalov - Konstantin Loktev
Shawn Burr - David Backes (A) - Rich Preston
Milan Lucic - Todd Marchant - Rob Niedermayer
Ex : Fred "Steamer" Maxwell, Ron Duagay
Pekka Rautakallio (C) - Lars Bjorn
Walt Buswell (A) - Mike Green
Fredrik Olausson - Alex Levinsky
Ex : Jason Smith, Tom Hooper
Wilf Cude
Pekka Rinne
Power Play
PP1
Thomas Vanek - Claude Giroux - Keith Crowder
Fredrik Olausson - Mike Green
PP2
Venjamin Alexandrov - Victor Shuvalov - Konstantin Loktev
Pekka Rautakallio - Lars Bjorn
Penalty Kill
PK1
Todd Marchant - Rich Preston
Walt Buswell - Alex Levinsky
PK2
David Backes - Shawn Burr
Pekka Rautakallio - Lars Bjorn
Ted Graham finished 7th in AS voting in 1931 and 1933.
- There was nothing statistically significant about Rick Green's season (points or +/-) so he must have really passed the eye test in 1987.
When I drafted Rick Green in the past, I concluded that his votes in 1987 were probably largely because of how well he played in the 1986 playoffs as a defensive defenseman for the Cup winning Canadiens.
Pretty common for a defensive defenseman or forward to get his recognition the season after a great playoffs (Sami Pahlson's runner up Selke finish, for example).
Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets
Coach: Emile Francis
Brian Bellows - Harry Smith - Eddie Wiseman
Nikolai Drozdetsky - Billy Taylor - Mush March
Pud Glass (A) - Jaroslav Holik - Jason Pominville
Nick Libett (A) - Pete Stemkowski - Bill Fairbairn
Spares: Johnny Gagnon, Buzz Boll
Paul Shmyr (C) - Bingo Kampman
Doug Jarrett - Lubomir Visnovsky
Joe Watson - Bob Murray
Spares:Gordie Roberts, Udo Kiessling
Roger Crozier
Tomas Vokoun
PP 1: Bellows-Smith-Wiseman-Visnovsky-Murray
PP 2: Drozdetsky-Taylor-March-Shmyr-Pominville
PK 1: Glass-Fairbairn-Watson-Kampman
PK 2: Stemkowski-Libett-Jarrett-Shmyr
Solid 4th line that can shadow and check opponents, but is not inept offensively either. They're a physical group too.