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TheNewEra
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agreed as of right now i see hoffman being our version of helm but not necessarily a stud
fast as **** which brings a different, annoys the other team with his speed, isnt afraid to shoot
hoffman would need at least 2 seasons where he puts up 50+ points before he enters that stud category. Different than say zibby and lazar because they were drafted based off of potential where as hoffman was drafted as more of a project
Stud might be an exaggeration, but at times Hoffman is the most exciting player on the team. If you want to talk projections, he's on pace for 25+ goals. That's selective mentioning on your part I'm sure.
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He certainly looked spectacular against Montreal
Didn't do much good though because as spectacular as he looked skating around, the results were not spectacular looking
Sure 25+ goals is nice and certainly encouraging but 42 points is the total that I care more about
I don't want to give the impression that I'm down on the team, I think this team is trending upwards (slowly) but that we are still very far away from being anything more than an average bubble team
Didn't do much good though because as spectacular as he looked skating around, the results were not spectacular looking
Sure 25+ goals is nice and certainly encouraging but 42 points is the total that I care more about
I don't want to give the impression that I'm down on the team, I think this team is trending upwards (slowly) but that we are still very far away from being anything more than an average bubble team
I don't get the impression you are down on the team. I agree that we are very far away from competing. I think we are 2 top 4 D, and 2 1st line forwards away from competing with our current roster. Those aren't easy pieces to acquire.
My point I wanted to make earlier was that I think it is way premature to label prospects in their first couple dozen games in the NHL even if they don't look impressive. We've done the same in the past with Karlsson/Zibanejad and it's proven to be not what we thought after they've adapted to the NHL pace.
It's easier to access Hoffman though because of his age. He might get better as he gets more use to the NHL, but it's also possible we are seeing him at his peak (a 20-20 guy, which is still great).
It's a lot harder to project a player like Stone, who's younger and could really break out
God Flower
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He was viewed as a project and his development has progressed really well. He's just needed a bit of time to adjust to each level of hockey before he started excelling.
Junior:
He gets cut from Kitchener, gets let go from Gatineau, and then puts up 19 goals in 43 games for Drummondville in the same season! He follows that up with a 53 goal season and a league MVP.
Minor Pro:
Doesn't make Bingo and is relegated to the ECHL. Gets called back up and has a mediocre season with the Baby Sens. His next full season he puts up 20+ goals. Fast forward a couple of years and he's arguably the MVP of the AHL at the age of 24.
Pro:
He had 3 separate call-ups to Ottawa as he was developing and he looked nervous and unsure of himself for most of the 29 games he played. We saw flashes of brilliance, but we also witnessed bad giveaways, missed open nets, and hit posts. He couldn't buy a goal! But now he's in the midst of his 1st full season with Ottawa and he's on pace for 20+ goals...once again.
He may not be a "stud" now, but he has shown a pattern of success after a period of adjustment everywhere he has played. This is pretty exciting considering he is approaching his "prime" years as a pro athlete. He reminds me a lot of Patrick Sharp. Similar size, excellent wheels, good hands, and a nasty release. Sharp also put up 20 goals and 35 points in his first full season with Philly. He was 25 years old.
Something to think about....
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Hoffman turning into a Sharp kind of player would be fantastic for sure
Not out of the question either
Not out of the question either
Six Assets
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This was the big thing as to "why he would never make it". He proved ten wrong. The guy makes nice plays on defence and offense. Thinks the game pretty well. No one is saying he is elite or will be. But his IQ isn't a problem per say.
Power forward?
From the trade boards
Have you ever watched hall play. He's insanely hard to contain.
I would do that if I'm Ottawa. Not if I'm Edmonton.
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Glad you aren't the GM
Our 1st round pick would likely be worse than Edmonton's at the end of that season and our D would be the absolute worst in the NHL
The value isn't bad but it creates large holes in both teams
It's a stupid proposal
Micklebot
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Point pace per game doesn't take into mins played, or how many of those mins are PP mins.
Hoffman is not getting top PP mins, and is actually 1st on the team in ES pts per min. He's first on the team in total ES points and has looked effective in both a bottom six role with Stone and Lazar, and in a top 6 role with Zibanejad and Ryan.
If he's not performing like a stud, he's pretty close to it.
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Micklebot
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So long as it's not on the point (where he got the bulk of his PP toi) I think he could notch some extra.
Mcdavid trumps all. If only for the massive media attention, marketing opportunities and future revenue.
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The 30th place team still only has a 20% chance of nabbing him. Any proposal that depends on getting a single player in the draft is doomed.
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2015-draft/draft-lottery-odds/
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You could make the trade after the lottery. Failing that, Eichel is a nice consolation prize.
Either way I wouldn't do it. I'd rather keep karlsson.
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It's all about the skills.
You could see Karlsson's game-breaking speed as a rookie.
You can see Hoffman's goal scoring ability and hands.
I see a ton of hard work and effort from Lazar.....I don't see a high skill level. Skills can still be developed at his age, but it's a lot harder to develop those skills when playing in the NHL where he has to 'keep it simple' to be effective. He has to be in junior where he has the ability to 'be fancy' and do some dipsy doodle moves against weaker competition. That's how you develop those hands.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Lol he has 17 points or something in his last 19 games and he's 21. And still raw. He sucks.
Zibby has higher offensive potential. Much higher, imo.
When the hell has Helm ever produced or looked as good as Hoffman? Helm has no where near Hoffman's shot and dangles. His speed is the only thing comparable.
Hoffman is a stud.
Disagree. The guy has done some brilliant plays which require really high IQ.
In 2002, USA Hockey put together a study of how long the best players on the ice actually handle the puck. The results of the study, which was done at the Salt Lake Olympics and at USA Hockey National Championships, showed that players touch the puck for a little more than one minute during a 60-minute game
It practice that makes them better not a lot in games for those skills
Zib does have higher offensive potential than Lazar, but I think Lazar will be a better playmaker and will have a better 2 way game
Well yes that is the reality of life. But for sale of discussion and argument. If mcdavid was guarenteed. I would probably do the deal.
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