Salary Cap: 2014-15 Roster-building Thread XVIII : 2015 - Ring in the New Year with WINGERZZZ!!!!

[Riptide]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com.

2014-2015 salary ceiling: ....69,000,000
Projected cap spending: ......68,733,167
Projected cap space: ...............175,000
Projected deadline space: ......1,547,198


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

27​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

26​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

34​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

David Perron|

LW​

|

26​

|

3,812,500​

|

3,812,500​

|

UFA​

Brandon Sutter|

C​

|

25​

|

3,300,000​

|

3,300,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Spaling|

LW​

|

25​

|

2,200,000​

|

2,200,000​

|

UFA​

Marcel Goc|

C​

|

30​

|

1,200,000​

|

UFA​

Steve Downie|

RW​

|

27​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Beau Bennett|

LW​

|

22​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Craig Adams|

RW​

|

37​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

22​

|

652,500​

|

652,500​

|

RFA​

Andrew Ebbett|

C​

|

31​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Bobby Farnham|

LW​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

Defense.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

27​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Christian Ehrhoff|

D​

|

32​

|

4,000,000​

|

UFA​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

35​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

Simon Despres|

D​

|

22​

|

900,000​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

20​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

Robert Bortuzzo|

D​

|

25​

|

600,000​

|

RFA​

Scott Harrington|

D​

|

21​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

RFA​

Goalie...................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

29​

|

5,000,000​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

Thomas Greiss|

G​

|

28​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Injured reserve......​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Paul Martin|

D​

|

33​

|

5,000,000​

|

UFA​

Patric Hornqvist|

RW​

|

27​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

35​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

19​

|

894,167​

|

894,167​

|

RFA​

Blake Comeau|

LW​

|

28​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

22​

|

655,000​

|

655,000​

|

RFA​

Zach Sill|

C​

|

26​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Jayson Megna|

RW​

|

24​

|

874,125​

|

RFA​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

21​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

Adam Payerl|

RW​

|

23​

|

626,667​

|

RFA​

Anton Zlobin|

LW​

|

21​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

RFA​

Matia Marcantuoni|

C​

|

20​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

21​

|

601,667​

|

RFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

22​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

20​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Nick Drazenovic|

C​

|

27​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond|

RW​

|

29​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.............................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

22​

|

831,667​

|

RFA​

Nick D'Agostino|

D​

|

23​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Reid McNeill|

D​

|

22​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Taylor Chorney|

D​

|

27​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie................................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

20​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

Jeff Zatkoff|

G​

|

27​

|

600,000​

|

600,000​

|

UFA​

WHEELING NAILERS

Defense........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Harrison Ruopp|

D​

|

21​

|

650,833​

|

650,833​

|

RFA​

Goalie...........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Eric Hartzell|

G​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team​

|

Contract​

Kasperi Kapanen|

RW​

|

18​

|

KalPa (Liiga)​

|

3 years/925,000 per​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

20​

|

SkellefteÃ¥ (SHL)​

|

3 years/708,333 per​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

19​

|

Edmonton (WHL)​

|

3 years/650,833 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

​

​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team (League)​

Anthony Angello|

F​

|

18​

|Omaha (USHL)

Dane Birks|

D​

|

18​

|Michigan Tech (WCHA)

Teddy Blueger|

F​

|

19​

|Minnesota State (WCHA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

19​

|Maine (HEA)

Jake Guentzel|

F​

|

19​

|Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

20​

|Clarkson (ECAC)

Sam Lafferty|

F​

|

19​

|Brown (ECAC)

Jaden Lindo|

F​

|

18​

|Owen Sound (OHL)

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

21​

|Boston University (HEA)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

24​

|Magnitogorsk (KHL)

Ryan Segalla|

D​

|

19​

|Connecticut (HEA)

Jeff Taylor|

D​

|

20​

|Union (ECAC)

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[Riptide]

Looking for a thread title.

 

[penguins2946*]

Looking for a thread title.

"Our wingers are bad, and we should feel bad"?

 

[Riptide]

Because Perron wants out and he'll most definitely walk as a free agent after next year. Trading Perron for a center at this point makes no sense when you're the leading candidate for McDavid this year.

I had this discussion with my roommate just yesterday. Not to take away anything from McDavid... but having a 1-2 punch of McDavid/Eichel and RNH won't do anything for them for a few seasons. And even then you have to wonder. They really need someone who can help Ference lead that team. I have no issues with him... but they need someone who's more impactful. I don't think you can trade the pick (well I wouldn't) because that player (either top 2) is suppose to be so good that they couldn't likely get solid value for it compared to what they'll provide in 3+ years.

RNH is no Malkin so that'd be the biggest difference there in player by player comparisons (of course with McDavid and Draisaitl it's still all about potential to be players who Sid and Staal proved to be) but he's still a very high level talent. That'd be damn amazing center core and with wingers like Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and possible Perron as well, you just have to wonder how the Oilers possibly could ruin their chance on becoming top team in the league...

... and then you take a look at their D and goalies.

RNH is a good offensive center. He just doesn't really match up well against the other big centers the west has. Kind of like Sedin... except Sedin is crazy talented and his skill can overcome it at times. When they draft McEichel I think you'll see RNH traded within 3 seasons. Unless 1 of Draisaitl or McEichel convert to the wing.

 

[penguins2946*]

I had this discussion with my roommate just yesterday. Not to take away anything from McDavid... but having a 1-2 punch of McDavid/Eichel and RNH won't do anything for them for a few seasons. And even then you have to wonder. They really need someone who can help Ference lead that team. I have no issues with him... but they need someone who's more impactful. I don't think you can trade the pick (well I wouldn't) because that player (either top 2) is suppose to be so good that they couldn't likely get solid value for it compared to what they'll provide in 3+ years.

I don't know about that. Look at Tavares for an example. In his last OHL season, he had 58 goals and 104 points in 56 games (worse than his previous 2 seasons btw, which you don't usually see happening). He then proceeded to have 24 goals and 54 points in 82 games in his rookie season on a weak NYI team. Compare that to McDavid. McDavid right now has 16 goals and 51 points in 18 games. Tavares' best seasons in the OHL just clipped 2 PPG and he "only" had a 1.86 PPG in his draft year. McDavid is at 2.83 PPG right now. He will probably finish with around 65 points in his rookie season, which isn't bad at all. 2 65-75 point centers should bode pretty well for the Oilers. The same applies for Eichel, who will probably have less points but a better 2-way game (probably 50 for Eichel). That's without Draisaitl being included in the equation.

I can't see it making any sense for the Oilers to move Perron for a center, because that center will both hurt their chances at McEichel and will become obsolete if they do get McEichel. That's why I can see them moving Perron for futures. It would have to be close to NHL ready futures (Harrington and a 2nd/3rd for Perron), but it would definitely be futures.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

David Perron 2 point night.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I had this discussion with my roommate just yesterday. Not to take away anything from McDavid... but having a 1-2 punch of McDavid/Eichel and RNH won't do anything for them for a few seasons. And even then you have to wonder. They really need someone who can help Ference lead that team. I have no issues with him... but they need someone who's more impactful. I don't think you can trade the pick (well I wouldn't) because that player (either top 2) is suppose to be so good that they couldn't likely get solid value for it compared to what they'll provide in 3+ years.



RNH is a good offensive center. He just doesn't really match up well against the other big centers the west has. Kind of like Sedin... except Sedin is crazy talented and his skill can overcome it at times. When they draft McEichel I think you'll see RNH traded within 3 seasons. Unless 1 of Draisaitl or McEichel convert to the wing.

I could see them interested in Sutter regardless. McDavid/Eichel aren't given that they're going to end up in Edmonton even though it's a high percentage. They could still end up picking 3rd and getting Hanifin.

That said, the main reason I could see interest in Sutter is this. Drasaitl is a **** skater. It's really evident at the NHL level at how bad his skating is. It's easier to convert him to wing, at least for a few seasons while he develops into an everyday NHL player to cover up his skating issues. I think LD would be a better winger than C in the NHL, at least at this point because of his skating. Getting Sutter allows LD to move to wing with or without Eichel/McDavid.

Also, Sutter and his woman are from around Red Deer, Canada. Not too far from Edmonton. In between Edmonton and Calgary.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Perron-Crosby-Hornqvist
Tlusty-Malkin-Downie
Kunitz-Sutter-Bennett
Spaling-Goc-Comeau

That'd be cool.

FORWARDS
David Perron ($3.813m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Jiri Tlusty ($2.950m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Steve Downie ($1.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.300m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Nick Spaling ($2.200m) / Marcel Goc ($1.200m) / Blake Comeau ($0.700m)
Rob Klinkhammer ($0.625m) / Craig Adams ($0.700m) /

 

[theicebox]

Looking for a thread title.

"Craig Adams, one year extension or two?"

 

[Wolf Without a Howl]

Looking for a thread title.

"In Rutherford We Trust....For Now"

 

[66-30-33]

Just for teh lulz.

Perron-Crosby-Hornqvist
ROR-Vermette-Malkin (because Malkin is not good at them faceoffs)

 

[Ugene Magic]

Looking for a thread title.

"2015 - The year of the Griswolds; No wings attached."

 

[Night Shift]

New Years Resolution: Wingers

 

[ObsessedCreative*]

Give me ROR or give me death!

If old man river can land Perron & ROR I will be over the moon!

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Responding to something in the previous thread...

McDavid and Eichel are both above Tavares level prospects, they're not going to have a problem in the NHL. I would be downright shocked for them not to have immediate impacts in the NHL. Conservative guesses for McDavid and Eichel for next year would probably be 55-65 points, with Eichel probably being on the lower end (since he's more of a 2-way guy compared to McDavid). They are as sure fire prospects as you can get that aren't Crosby.

Draisaitl is centering the 3rd line right now, and he can't do any worse of a job next year that he's doing this year. Even without bringing in Sutter, they're going to have an issue fitting all of Draisaitl, McEichel and RNH into their center group. Draisaitl will probably be moved eventually for a more appropriate 3C, so why would they trade for a 3C right now? They would be much better off trading Perron for D help, which we can offer. Getting one of McDavid or Eichel is too likely for them, so trading for another center doesn't make sense right now. Their best bet would be moving Perron for futures to help the tank to make sure they get McDavid. I said earlier that something around Harrington and a pick for Perron makes sense if the Pens re-sign Ehrhoff.

Yeah, McDavid and Eichel look like they'll be great. But there are a lot of guys like that who never quite panned out. Getting one of them would be huge, but busting is never impossible. It's not necessarily relevant to how Edmonton plans to go about their business, but saying they should bank on winning the lottery and sexy prospects is kind of absurd. Especially considering how well winning the lottery and sexy prospects are helping them right now.

The problem with the second paragraph is that Draisaitl just isn't an NHL caliber player right now. They might even be returning him to junior next year. And the NHL cutting floor is littered with hundreds of players who started underwhelming and got worse. Banking on or penciling in prospects, assuming they'll improve no matter what, is pretty much a guaranteed way to have a crappy team.

There's no way Sutter doesn't help the Oilers. If they want him and they're looking to move Perron, there's really no reason not to make that trade from their end unless they simply get a better offer.

And even if they get McDavid or Eichel and Draisaitl breaks out, they're not hurt by having Sutter at all. They'd just go from a position of abject weakness to one of relative strength. They can make another deal at that point to shore up another weakness. And like I said before, even if Sutter goes UFA after next season, just buying Draisaitl more time to develop could be just as big as what Sutter could add on the ice. It's also very, very possible to ruin a good prospect by throwing him to the NHL wolves too soon.

 

[roquay]

There's no way Sutter doesn't help the Oilers. If they want him and they're looking to move Perron, there's really no reason not to make that trade from their end unless they simply get a better offer.

Does make sense both ways but I don't think the Pens have any interest in moving Sutter. Johnston loves him and likes having a high end 3C with a great defensive game. It's important to his system.

I think Spaling is almost as good at D and scores most of his points with Downie so Bennett-Spaling-Downie is still a decent 3rd line.

 

[ColePens]

Sorry to be a *****... but what was the Madden rumor, when was it said, and how was it said?

Any validity?

 

[Shady Machine]

So how about that Foligno guy that I said would get a long term contract in the 5 to 6 range? Looks like I was right. I guarantee had he gone to July 1 someone would have offered 6 mil for 5 plus years. Anyway that is why this team should not be waiting on free agency to find top 6 wingers. We need trades and we need them soon.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

So how about that Foligno guy that I said would get a long term contract in the 5 to 6 range? Looks like I was right. I guarantee had he gone to July 1 someone would have offered 6 mil for 5 plus years. Anyway that is why this team should not be waiting on free agency to find top 6 wingers. We need trades and we need them soon.

People were disputing that?

They must not pay much attention to free agency.

 

[wheelz87]

Back to the Williams for Martin trade...

I won't hate it. Because Martin is 34 and a UFA and Williams is the same, 1 year younger. And he's a total beast in the playoffs. But come on. So we will have 2 Hornqvist's then? Cool.. so we still have nobody to put the puck in the net. (don't get me started with Comeau - yea he's solid. What gives anybody any more confidence in him rather than Kunitz/Dupuis of past years?) Anyways, he's not a long-term replacement and is going to get massively overpaid, especially given his age.

Anyways, I guess if we make that trade PLUS another trade for an even better winger, I'll be ok with it. But Martin may well be our best trade chip.

 

[mpp9]

Back to the Williams for Martin trade...

I won't hate it. Because Martin is 34 and a UFA and Williams is the same, 1 year younger. And he's a total beast in the playoffs. But come on. So we will have 2 Hornqvist's then? Cool.. so we still have nobody to put the puck in the net. (don't get me started with Comeau - yea he's solid. What gives anybody any more confidence in him rather than Kunitz/Dupuis of past years?) Anyways, he's not a long-term replacement and is going to get massively overpaid, especially given his age.

Anyways, I guess if we make that trade PLUS another trade for an even better winger, I'll be ok with it. But Martin may well be our best trade chip.

You haven't watched Justin Williams if you think he's like PH.

 

[mpp9]

Sorry to be a *****... but what was the Madden rumor, when was it said, and how was it said?

Any validity?

There's no rumor. Just a logical swap of pending UFAs filling needs for both teams that has been mentioned in blogs and now on Madden's show.

Martin's been linked to the Kings before. And LA will need a D-man with Voynov out. Williams reportedly gave Kings management a deadline to get a deal done.

Williams would help our forward group quite a bit. And we'd have the cap space over the summer to keep him around.

 

[Shady Machine]

People were disputing that?

They must not pay much attention to free agency.

Certainly not everyone, but there were some that thought he could be had for closer to in the 4.5 to 5 range on a long term deal or mid 5's on a 3-4 year deal.

My general point here is that we need to stop saying "oh look at next year's UFA list" for potential wingers. Players like Foligno, good but not great top 6 wingers, get overpaid in free agency every year. The answer to our top 6 winger problem will not come in free agency, which also means trading valuable assets on rentals isn't going to solve the problem either (unless we go deep in the playoffs and that rental thrives, which hasn't happened very often).

Tlusty, is the only youngish top 6 winger rental left and he will cost 1st+ at this point. Say we do that deal and don't go deep in the playoffs, someone will overpay him in free agency and we will again be stuck with some grinder and AHL fodder flanking Sid and Geno in December of 2015.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but to me the only reasonable play here is to bite the bullet and trade valuable assets for wingers signed beyond this year. If going the rental route, you MUST trade Martin or assets acquired in a Martin trade for the rental.

 

[Shady Machine]

There's no rumor. Just a logical swap of pending UFAs filling needs for both teams that has been mentioned in blogs and now on Madden's show.

Martin's been linked to the Kings before. And LA will need a D-man with Voynov out. Williams reportedly gave Kings management a deadline to get a deal done.

Williams would help our forward group quite a bit. And we'd have the cap space over the summer to keep him around.

And then we can collect all the old wingers

Martin for Williams would be cool, but if he is re-signed, we need to seriously consider trading Kunitz in the off season (unless we have enough talent to play both him and Duper, assuming he comes back, on the 3rd line).

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Back to the Williams for Martin trade...

I won't hate it. Because Martin is 34 and a UFA and Williams is the same, 1 year younger. And he's a total beast in the playoffs. But come on. So we will have 2 Hornqvist's then? Cool.. so we still have nobody to put the puck in the net. (don't get me started with Comeau - yea he's solid. What gives anybody any more confidence in him rather than Kunitz/Dupuis of past years?) Anyways, he's not a long-term replacement and is going to get massively overpaid, especially given his age.

Anyways, I guess if we make that trade PLUS another trade for an even better winger, I'll be ok with it. But Martin may well be our best trade chip.

Williams is creative and nothing like PH.

The guy is clutch as hell, and I'd make the trade in a heartbeat. However, I can't see DL trading a guy like Williams.