Salary Cap: 2014-15 Roster-building Thread X : Looking for wingers... Anyone?

[Riptide]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com.

2014-2015 salary ceiling: ....69,000,000
Projected cap spending: ......68,733,167
Projected cap space: ...............175,000
Projected deadline space: ......1,547,198


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

27​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

26​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

Patric Hornqvist|

RW​

|

27​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

34​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

Brandon Sutter|

C​

|

25​

|

3,300,000​

|

3,300,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Spaling|

LW​

|

25​

|

2,200,000​

|

2,200,000​

|

UFA​

Marcel Goc|

C​

|

30​

|

1,200,000​

|

UFA​

Steve Downie|

RW​

|

27​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Beau Bennett|

LW​

|

22​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Blake Comeau|

LW​

|

28​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Craig Adams|

RW​

|

37​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Zach Sill|

C​

|

26​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

27​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Paul Martin|

D​

|

33​

|

5,000,000​

|

UFA​

Christian Ehrhoff|

D​

|

32​

|

4,000,000​

|

UFA​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

35​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

Simon Despres|

D​

|

22​

|

900,000​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

19​

|

894,167​

|

894,167​

|

RFA​

Robert Bortuzzo|

D​

|

25​

|

600,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie...................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

29​

|

5,000,000​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

Thomas Greiss|

G​

|

28​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Injured reserve......​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

35​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Jayson Megna|

RW​

|

24​

|

874,125​

|

RFA​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

21​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

22​

|

655,000​

|

655,000​

|

RFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

22​

|

652,500​

|

652,500​

|

RFA​

Adam Payerl|

RW​

|

23​

|

626,667​

|

RFA​

Anton Zlobin|

LW​

|

21​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

RFA​

Matia Marcantuoni|

C​

|

20​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

21​

|

601,667​

|

RFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

22​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

20​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Bobby Farnham|

LW​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

Andrew Ebbett|

C​

|

31​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Drazenovic|

C​

|

27​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond|

RW​

|

29​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Defense..............................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

20​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

22​

|

831,667​

|

RFA​

Harrison Ruopp|

D​

|

21​

|

650,833​

|

650,833​

|

RFA​

Scott Harrington|

D​

|

21​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

RFA​

Reid McNeill|

D​

|

22​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Philip Samuelsson|

D​

|

22​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

Taylor Chorney|

D​

|

27​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie................................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

20​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

Jeff Zatkoff|

G​

|

27​

|

600,000​

|

600,000​

|

UFA​

WHEELING NAILERS

Defense........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Nick D'Agostino|

D​

|

23​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie...........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Eric Hartzell|

G​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team​

|

Contract​

Kasperi Kapanen|

RW​

|

18​

|

KalPa (Liiga)​

|

3 years/925,000 per​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

20​

|

SkellefteÃ¥ (SHL)​

|

3 years/708,333 per​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

19​

|

Edmonton (WHL)​

|

3 years/650,833 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

​

​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team (League)​

Anthony Angello|

F​

|

18​

|Omaha (USHL)

Dane Birks|

D​

|

18​

|Michigan Tech (WCHA)

Teddy Blueger|

F​

|

19​

|Minnesota State (WCHA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

19​

|Maine (HEA)

Jake Guentzel|

F​

|

19​

|Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

20​

|Clarkson (ECAC)

Sam Lafferty|

F​

|

19​

|Brown (ECAC)

Jaden Lindo|

F​

|

18​

|Owen Sound (OHL)

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

21​

|Boston University (HEA)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

24​

|Magnitogorsk (KHL)

Ryan Segalla|

D​

|

19​

|Connecticut (HEA)

Jeff Taylor|

D​

|

20​

|Union (ECAC)

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[Dipsy Doodle]

If I were an opposition GM, I'd be very hesitant to deal the Pens a scoring winger. The odds are pretty high that the man who does it ends up looking stupid even if it's a fair deal.

 

[Shrimper]

I really wish we could just call up Kapanen and put him on Crosby's wing for nine games.

 

[WVP]

I need to hide these threads. HF's version of crack.

 

[Saints11]

I guess the new whipping boy is Ehrhoff. If I recall, at the time, the signing of Ehrhoff was proclaimed by most hockey minds as one of the best moves in free agency. I think it even earned the Pens an "A" ranking. But now, less than 20 games in, it is viewed as the cause of Global warming and the Ebola outbreak! Ehrhoff is a system guy in that he fits Johnston's system for puck moving D-men. In all likelihood he will sign an extension in January, for all we know it may already be agreed on. Ehroff is not the reason we don't have Kulemin, that is rather he wanted to go with his buddy Grabo to the Island. Ehrhoff is here because of the eventuality that Martin will not be. Martin, like Scuds and Bortuzzo, has trouble with speedy, forechecking teams like the Islanders. None of those 3 look particularly good last night. The same was true with the 4th line and Geno's line in handling speed, hence the call up of the swifter Megna for tonight.

 

[T1K]

There's only a handful of guys I'd trade Maatta for, and Jamie Benn is definitely one of them. Benn is exactly what we need.

On another note, I peeked at the Avs board and it seems like most of them believe ROR will be traded. I think Letang has a similar value, but the Avs don't need a RHD. Maatta won't be traded for him, I hope DP isn't moved for him, which then leaves Scott Harrington. As great as Harrington could become, I'd trade him+ whatever else is needed to get a deal done.

 

[lettuceAA]

I thought Erhoff looked good last night. And has been a nice addition, I was expecting a little more offense but that will come I think.

The pens desperately need a winger. Last night was terrible. Crosby certainly looked frustrated, it doesn't help that kunitz is playing the way he is. I think the pens need to find a winger for Malkin and move horny back with Sid and kunitz.

 

[Michael8771*]

I thought Erhoff looked good last night. And has been a nice addition, I was expecting a little more offense but that will come I think.

The pens desperately need a winger. Last night was terrible. Crosby certainly looked frustrated, it doesn't help that kunitz is playing the way he is. I think the pens need to find a winger for Malkin and move horny back with Sid and kunitz.

OR, we can leave Horny with Geno and get Sid another winger, yes?

By the way, why is your name ''letuceAA'' ?

 

[Riptide]

I need to hide these threads. HF's version of crack.

So very true.

If I were an opposition GM, I'd be very hesitant to deal the Pens a scoring winger. The odds are pretty high that the man who does it ends up looking stupid even if it's a fair deal.

I'm not sure I'd go that far... but I could see a GM looking to extract that extra pound of flesh for that sole reason. And the entire league has known that Pittsburgh has been looking for a winger(s) for years.

 

[Michael8771*]

I'm not sure I'd go that far... but I could see a GM looking to extract that extra pound of flesh for that sole reason. And the entire league has known that Pittsburgh has been looking for a winger(s) for years.

Only a heartless ******* would take advantage of us like that. Well, that and a shrewd businessman. I can relate on both accounts.

 

[Riptide]

I thought Erhoff looked good last night. And has been a nice addition, I was expecting a little more offense but that will come I think.

The pens desperately need a winger. Last night was terrible. Crosby certainly looked frustrated, it doesn't help that kunitz is playing the way he is. I think the pens need to find a winger for Malkin and move horny back with Sid and kunitz.

I've thought he's looked good most nights. I get the complaints... I mean we have how many D? And our top 4 are all the same - avg sized PMD who (other than Letang) are not really physical. But with how dismal our PP was when we were eliminated, and Martin's uncertainty, it doesn't really bother me that we signed him.

I'd actually switch it up. Kunitz - Malkin, and Crosby and Hornqvist. I'm not really in a hurry to see KCH again, and would prefer to split up Kunitz and Hornqvist. The issue is, is that Geno and Hornqvist have started to look a little better of late. So we might want to give them a few more games (if only to continue allowing them to mesh) before making a change. It should make things easier if we have to play them together again down the road (or at least that's my thought anyway).

 

[lettuceAA]

OR, we can leave Horny with Geno and get Sid another winger, yes?

By the way, why is your name ''letucceAA'' ?

I think kunitz-Sid-hornquist line was fantastic. Horny is the type of player Sid needs.

Lettuce was an old nickname , the AA comes from my old poker days. Kind of stupid and not thought out very, but whatever.

 

[Riptide]

There's only a handful of guys I'd trade Maatta for, and Jamie Benn is definitely one of them. Benn is exactly what we need.

On another note, I peeked at the Avs board and it seems like most of them believe ROR will be traded. I think Letang has a similar value, but the Avs don't need a RHD. Maatta won't be traded for him, I hope DP isn't moved for him, which then leaves Scott Harrington. As great as Harrington could become, I'd trade him+ whatever else is needed to get a deal done.

If Letang isn't what they're looking for, I'm not sure Harrington, KK and a 1st is worth it. I dunno. Part of me looks at that, and goes, hell yes. We get a 23 yr old winger who's most definitely a top 6 guy, and in addition to being almost everything we want in a winger, is extremely good defensively. The other part of me looks at that and goes... uhhh... what if he doesn't sign an extension? That's a lot of futures for a player that only has 1.5 yrs left before FA, and has a history of tough contract disputes from team that doesn't have lot of quality F prospects...

I mean if he'd sign (say 5 yrs, 7m - something like that), then it's a no brainer. Deal with the cap concerns down the road. And while losing the 1st and KK would suck... I'd ultimately do it. Perhaps moving Martin (needed for cap space) in a separate deal (mainly for futures) recovers enough futures to make that deal make sense.

 

[Michael8771*]

I think kunitz-Sid-hornquist line was fantastic. Horny is the type of player Sid needs.

Lettuce was an old nickname , the AA comes from my old poker days. Kind of stupid and not thought out very, but whatever.

We disagree with the line configurations but let's get back to your nickname. How about ''Undercover Saladman''?

 

[Saints11]

Sid needs speed and a finisher. He can create the time and space needed, which is why someone like Hornqvist fit with him. Hornqvist is good at reading and getting to those open areas, like Kunitz use to. Now I fear Kuny has lost a step or two. He still has a good shot and hands, but he doesn't get to the spots as quick as he use to. You would think Sid would play well with Bennett, but they don't seem to mesh, probably because both are better passers than finishers. I wouldn't mind seeing a game of BB--Sid--Hornqvist. Although, I think BB has a RW mentality and gravitates to the right side. They need more speed in top 6.

 

[ss53mech]

I've thought he's looked good most nights. I get the complaints... I mean we have how many D? And our top 4 are all the same - avg sized PMD who (other than Letang) are not really physical. But with how dismal our PP was when we were eliminated, and Martin's uncertainty, it doesn't really bother me that we signed him.

I'd actually switch it up. Kunitz - Malkin, and Crosby and Hornqvist. I'm not really in a hurry to see KCH again, and would prefer to split up Kunitz and Hornqvist. The issue is, is that Geno and Hornqvist have started to look a little better of late. So we might want to give them a few more games (if only to continue allowing them to mesh) before making a change. It should make things easier if we have to play them together again down the road (or at least that's my thought anyway).

Agree on all accounts. Couple of factors that play in to my mind are Kunitz has done well with Geno before and I refuse to believe that his level of play right now is all he's got left. We need to get him going as much also (Malkin obviously being the bigger priority). Horny was just too good with Sid to deny the chemistry there. Only question I have is who goes to Sid's LW? There is reasons for and against a bunch of guys. For my money I run:

Spaling-Sid-Honqvist
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Comeau-Sutter-Downie
Sill-Goc-Adams

Add one top 6 LW in place of Spaling (I i know he is horribly miscast as a 1st line option) and I think that is a pretty decent top 6, but we would have to wait and see how Malkin's new line would fit in this system.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I guess the new whipping boy is Ehrhoff. If I recall, at the time, the signing of Ehrhoff was proclaimed by most hockey minds as one of the best moves in free agency. I think it even earned the Pens an "A" ranking. But now, less than 20 games in, it is viewed as the cause of Global warming and the Ebola outbreak! Ehrhoff is a system guy in that he fits Johnston's system for puck moving D-men. In all likelihood he will sign an extension in January, for all we know it may already be agreed on. Ehroff is not the reason we don't have Kulemin, that is rather he wanted to go with his buddy Grabo to the Island. Ehrhoff is here because of the eventuality that Martin will not be. Martin, like Scuds and Bortuzzo, has trouble with speedy, forechecking teams like the Islanders. None of those 3 look particularly good last night. The same was true with the 4th line and Geno's line in handling speed, hence the call up of the swifter Megna for tonight.

No. That's a fairy tale that Pens fans tell themselves before they go to sleep. It's corroborated by nothing.

It's painfully clear that Rutherford had targeted Kulemin to play with Malkin until Ehrhoff became available.

 

[Shrimper]

Kunitz-Crosby-Megna
Bennett-Malkin-Hornqvist
Spaling-Sutter-Comeau
Downie-Goc-Adams/Sill

 

[T1K]

If Letang isn't what they're looking for, I'm not sure Harrington, KK and a 1st is worth it. I dunno. Part of me looks at that, and goes, hell yes. We get a 23 yr old winger who's most definitely a top 6 guy, and in addition to being almost everything we want in a winger, is extremely good defensively. The other part of me looks at that and goes... uhhh... what if he doesn't sign an extension? That's a lot of futures for a player that only has 1.5 yrs left before FA, and has a history of tough contract disputes from team that doesn't have lot of quality F prospects...

I mean if he'd sign (say 5 yrs, 7m - something like that), then it's a no brainer. Deal with the cap concerns down the road. And while losing the 1st and KK would suck... I'd ultimately do it. Perhaps moving Martin (needed for cap space) in a separate deal (mainly for futures) recovers enough futures to make that deal make sense.

I agree, but I think if we offer him 5X7 mil that he'll accept it most likely. Unless he has his heart set to play somewhere I don't see why he wouldn't re-sign here. Sure if he goes the FA route then he'll obviously get more, possibly 9 mil+ on the open market. If he only cares about money then yeah he won't re-sign with us. I think being on a cup contender for another 5 years and playing with the 2 best centers in the world is actually a better business move for him in the longrun rather than cashing out now. It gives him an opportunity to win a cup and if he does want to cash out after that he could while he is still young enough to receive a long term deal.

That package is risky no doubt, but I'd definitely do it.

 

[lettuceAA]

XXXX-Sid-Hornquist
Kunitz-Malkin-BB
Spaling-Sutter-Downie
Comeau-Goc-Adams (ugh)/Sill

Martin-Letang
Maata-Desperes
Erhoff-Bort
Scuds

Trade whatever assets and/or pick to find that first line LW that has speed, grit and finishing ability. The core group of this team is in their prime there is no time to wait until next season.

 

[T1K]

No. That's a fairy tale that Pens fans tell themselves before they go to sleep. It's corroborated by nothing.

It's painfully clear that Rutherford had targeted Kulemin to play with Malkin until Ehrhoff became available.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=725104

 

[Klifton]

Posted this before, posting again cause I still think its good.

Ok, so with Duper's LTIR, we now will have about 4M in cap space. So, trade Martin (40% retained) for a 1st +. (I suggest we retain some cap in order to beef up his trade value even higher. Martin at 5M is maybe worth a 1st, Martin at 3M is worth a 1st and then some.) We then have just over 7M plus extra futures to use to bring in the wingers we need. We can go with two cheeper wingers by going with two of:

McGinn, Tlusty, Eakin, Stafford, Stewart, Morin, Versteeg, Palmieri, Greening, etc.

Then go with:

Kunitz - Crosby - Trade
Trade - Malkin - Hornqvist

I'm not saying all of these players would be available but a couple guys in this range should be.

Or we can promote Bennett to the second line and get a bigger wing option, (should one present itself.)

Then go with:

Kunitz - Crosby - Hornqvist
TRADE - Malkin - Bennett

I like the first option better of the two, it gives us the deepest roster:

Kunitz - Crosby - Trade
Trade - Malkin - Hornqvist
Spaling - Sutter - Bennett
Comeau - Goc - Downie

 

[Captain Hook]

I wouldn't trade Martin for a 1st or other futures unless there's a deal for someone like Evander Kane or JVR and we need another 1st or some sort of other futures to get the deal done.

 

[mpp9]

I wouldn't trade Martin for a 1st or other futures unless there's a deal for someone like Evander Kane or JVR and we need another 1st or some sort of other futures to get the deal done.

At this point, I don't really care how they leverage their depth on defense. As long as they do it in some way that addresses our top 6 forward group and leaves a balance of vets and quality youth on defense, I'll be happy.

I still say moving Martin would not result in some severe drop off, but I can understand JR holding onto him and moving some of our expendable young D. We need to clear space for Harrington and DP eventually if we're not moving them for help up front.

 

[Saints11]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=725104

Maybe this report should have started with "Once upon a time....." If Kulemin would have wanted to be here, he would have. We have lived through numerous, "..." Is Sid's friend, or "...." Is Geno's friend and they all want to be here stories. Friendships develop from consistency and success, they can be built. Better to focus on talent, and other attributes like size and speed. I'm sure Cooke makes new friends wherever he goes. Sid and Downie were not "friends", but now as teammates, if they reach the Cup, they'll become best of buds.