mouser
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Fractional cap hits are based on the # of days on the regular season roster. So to answer your hypothetical question in this case the Islanders would get 0% of the cap hit, and the team Ladd was traded to would get 100%.
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Fractional cap hits are based on the # of days on the regular season roster. So to answer your hypothetical question in this case the Islanders would get 0% of the cap hit, and the team Ladd was traded to would get 100%.
As an Islanders fan I am happy this is the case but I personally feel a team should be dinged for the amount of salary they paid that season(in this case 75%). It sort of creates a loophole that you might get out of a contract paying high bonuses. Using Ladd again as a case study the final 3 years of the deal have the 3M Bonus + 1M salary. Islanders might wiggle out of that deal by the start of the 3rd year when they pay that 3M bonus. That way the other team is only on the line for 9M in actual salary, 16.5M caphit
Payroll
I have a question about how is calculated the payroll for a team.
What happen if a team, for example the Canadiens send to the waivers a player under contract, example : David Desharnais, does it's 3.5M$ contract has to be added to the official payroll or only a fraction this amount ?
I know if he was buyout only 2/3 would have been counted, but when a player is waived what happen?
I have a question about how is calculated the payroll for a team.
What happen if a team, for example the Canadiens send to the waivers a player under contract, example : David Desharnais, does it's 3.5M$ contract has to be added to the official payroll or only a fraction this amount ?
I know if he was buyout only 2/3 would have been counted, but when a player is waived what happen?
LadyStanley
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In your example, if he was waived and cleared then demoted to AHL, $2.575m would be the NHL cap hit ($925k reduction).
Isn't there supposed to be a minimum payroll for an NHL franchise? I keep trying to google for it but only end up finding the CBA minimum salary for an individual.
BattleBorn
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50% to winning as many division titles as Toronto
ADifferentTim
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This is my first-ever visit to this thread, and as I jumped directly to page 189 of the concurrent CBA, I would like to find out the complete list of banned substances.
mouser
Business of Hockey
The banned substances list is not included in the CBA. The NHL and PA have a joint committee that among other things reviews the list annually and makes recommendations. The list is ultimately agreed upon by the NHL/PA in outside agreements that have not been published to my knowledge.
The CBA does indicate the WADA prohibited PED list will be used as a reference for deciding which to include in the NHL. However the league definitely does not include all of the WADA drugs, as evidenced by the Backstrom pseudoephedrine dispute at the 2014 Olympics.
vipernsx
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I've been wondering, searching the CBA and hoping someone hear can answer the question for me.
If a player is bought out, can the ensuing cap hit be traded? For example, Detroit has David Weiss on the books for 5 more years, can they trade his cap hit similar to trading Datsyuk's?
In both cases, it seems like the intention is to penalize a team for signing a poor contract. It seems fair that they are treated similarly.
If a player is bought out, can the ensuing cap hit be traded? For example, Detroit has David Weiss on the books for 5 more years, can they trade his cap hit similar to trading Datsyuk's?
In both cases, it seems like the intention is to penalize a team for signing a poor contract. It seems fair that they are treated similarly.
mouser
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No. Teams can only trade contracts or the rights to players on the team Reserve List.
A bought out player does not qualify under either of those criteria. That's also why Datsyuk waited to officially retire until after being traded.
vipernsx
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I hadn't known Datsyuk waited until after he was traded, thanks responding and answering my question.
Lunatik
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Maybe one of the CBA Guru's can help out here.
IIRC in the current CBA one of the changes was regarding "defected" RFAs and if they went unsigned for 2 years they become UFAs. Is this correct? This came up on the Flames board when discussing Nichkushkin.
IIRC in the current CBA one of the changes was regarding "defected" RFAs and if they went unsigned for 2 years they become UFAs. Is this correct? This came up on the Flames board when discussing Nichkushkin.
LadyStanley
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I believe teams hold "defected" player's rights until the would otherwise be eligible for UFA status (i.e., age 27, etc.).
(Perhaps you're thinking of unsigned draft pick who doesn't sign within two years?)
(Perhaps you're thinking of unsigned draft pick who doesn't sign within two years?)
Lunatik
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No, I am thinking about specifically about RFAs. I am certain it was new with this CBA
mouser
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Nichushkin would not be considered a "defected" player if he signs with a KHL team since he is not under an NHL contract.
If he goes to the KHL and stays there he would be eligible to become a NHL UFA in the summer of 2022. Dallas would hold his RFA rights until then.
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The Flyers have an issue right now and I wanted to know if anything is different under the new CBA.
Mark Alt hurt his shoulder last night and may miss months. This means the Flyers will have to carry his $625,000 cap hit until he is healthy, correct?
Mark Alt hurt his shoulder last night and may miss months. This means the Flyers will have to carry his $625,000 cap hit until he is healthy, correct?
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Curufinwe
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I had never heard of SOIR before.
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq
What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief:
Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief (LTIR FAQ).
Discounted Cap Hit
Players on a two-way contract, who accured 1-49 NHL games in the previous season, count against the teams cap hit; however, the reduced cap hit is calculated as follows:
Multiply the players NHL cap hit by the total accrued NHL days in the previous season, and divide by the total number of days in the previous season (Ex: 186 for 2014-15)
When a player is reactivated to the active roster, their cap hit reverts back to the full rate
Full cap relief
Players who did not play any NHL games in the previous season can be placed on SOIR do not count against their teams cap hit.
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq
What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief:
Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief (LTIR FAQ).
Discounted Cap Hit
Players on a two-way contract, who accured 1-49 NHL games in the previous season, count against the teams cap hit; however, the reduced cap hit is calculated as follows:
Multiply the players NHL cap hit by the total accrued NHL days in the previous season, and divide by the total number of days in the previous season (Ex: 186 for 2014-15)
When a player is reactivated to the active roster, their cap hit reverts back to the full rate
Full cap relief
Players who did not play any NHL games in the previous season can be placed on SOIR do not count against their teams cap hit.
mouser
Business of Hockey
The NHL/PA adopted the SOIR principles to calculate cap hits for non-full time players injured during training camp sometime during the previous 2005 CBA. Darren McCarty is one of the most public examples of it being implemented when he was injured during training camp. (2008 IIRC)
The SOIR agreements were then added to the most recent 2013 CBA. Possibly with some additional tweaks, since we don't know the full text of the earlier side agreement.
LadyStanley
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mouser
Business of Hockey
mouser
Business of Hockey
Yes, however players on Injured Non-Roster are paid their full salaries and count towards the cap. The only benefit gained is they don't count towards the 23-man roster limit.
Injured non-roster is only available for players who are injured while not on the Active Roster, usually meaning they are injured sometime during the offseason and fail their physical upon reporting to training camp.
