Speculation: 2013/2014 Trade Speculation (All Players) | Part VII |

[IcedCapp]

Pens should extend Bortuzzo for cheap like they did w engelland

Not sure Bortuzzo would have much motivation to re-sign with the Penguins without some playing time guarantees. He's too good to sit, and it looks like he's about to sit again.

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[SEALBound]

Eakins strikes me as the type of dude who gives motivational self help seminars and is real intense about virtually everything. I'm wondering if his shtick is something young kids buy into but something more mature, less influenced players kind of shake there head at after a while.

I hate to put the guy down, I may be off base too. Whatever. Just calling it as I see it.

Regardless, we have D, they need D. I think Yakupov is worth the risk. Get him under the wing of someone like Malkin. Kid needs a mentor, not coach Dr. Phil.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. Yakupov softer style of play doesn't quite fit the Penguins system. Nor is that what we need on Malkin's wing. Unless Yakupov and Malkin show such amazing chemistry that you can give Neal to Sid. Even in that case we still need a third wheel.

I would never do a 1:1 trade for Yakupov and Letang. Established, elite #1 PMD vs a recent #1 overall who's been getting scratched on the worst team in the league. Tough to determine what else would make the deal equal. Eberle for Letang makes more sense.

If I'm Edmonton I'd make two quantity for quality trades with Eberle and Yakupov. Each of those guys can bring back a good 2nd line wing and a dman. Maybe even a prospect. If you can get back a good wing, a capable 3C, and 2 solid dmen...they would be much better off .

Examples from the Trade Board (not advocating or saying they are realistic, just examples):

Eberle

for

Abdelkader, Justin
Mantha, Anthony
2014 2nd round pick

and

Yakupov Hemsky and Smid to Philadelphia for Schenn Simmonds and Coburn

Problem is they don't view something like that as progress. They'd rather have their 4 stars and 0 Cups.

 

[BHD]

While I'm more open to the thought of Hemsky than I once was, I don't think he is what the team needs. The top 6 needs a player who could be strong on the forechecking and take the puck to the net with authority. I would be stoked to see one of Winnipeg's wingers (Kane, Ladd, or Wheeler) in a Pens jersey, but I don't think it will happen. The price is likely too high, but... Shero is not afraid to make big trades, and things can change.

 

[Freeptop]

I find it rather amusing that when Bylsma decided to try out Engelland at forward, there was a fair amount of complaints around here about how bad of a coach Bylsma was to try that in the first place. Now that Engelland has looked good at forward, people complain that Bylsma wouldn't possibly continue to use him there... even though Bylsma immediately slid Engelland back to forward at the first opportunity to do so (given that they wanted to give Maatta a game off after some rough games).

At this point, the hyperbole about how bad of a coach Bylsma is has reached self-parody

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I wouldn't deal Letang for Yakupov straight up either, but I'm quite confident in saying Edmonton would offer us more than Yakupov for Letang. They're a train wreck right now.

Eberle would be great, as well. Hall is untouchable, in all likelihood. Ditto the Nuge. Hemsky I wouldn't touch. No more Jussi Jokinen's, please.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I find it rather amusing that when Bylsma decided to try out Engelland at forward, there was a fair amount of complaints around here about how bad of a coach Bylsma was to try that in the first place. Now that Engelland has looked good at forward, people complain that Bylsma wouldn't possibly continue to use him there... even though Bylsma immediately slid Engelland back to forward at the first opportunity to do so (given that they wanted to give Maatta a game off after some rough games).

At this point, the hyperbole about how bad of a coach Bylsma is has reached self-parody

Engelland was well down the list of Bylsma muck-ups. Not hyberbole, just some people need better glasses to see.

 

[eXile59]

I find it rather amusing that when Bylsma decided to try out Engelland at forward, there was a fair amount of complaints around here about how bad of a coach Bylsma was to try that in the first place. Now that Engelland has looked good at forward, people complain that Bylsma wouldn't possibly continue to use him there... even though Bylsma immediately slid Engelland back to forward at the first opportunity to do so (given that they wanted to give Maatta a game off after some rough games).

At this point, the hyperbole about how bad of a coach Bylsma is has reached self-parody

Maybe the 17th opportunity. We are constantly benching young good d-men & our forwards even when healthy are sub par in the bottom 6. As soon as it became apparent Engelland was better at forward that's where he should have been playing.

 

[IcedCapp]

I find it rather amusing that when Bylsma decided to try out Engelland at forward, there was a fair amount of complaints around here about how bad of a coach Bylsma was to try that in the first place. Now that Engelland has looked good at forward, people complain that Bylsma wouldn't possibly continue to use him there... even though Bylsma immediately slid Engelland back to forward at the first opportunity to do so (given that they wanted to give Maatta a game off after some rough games).

At this point, the hyperbole about how bad of a coach Bylsma is has reached self-parody

I will agree with your point and concede that you're 100% right.

As soon as you show me how this was his first opportunity to move him back.

I'll wait.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I find it rather amusing that when Bylsma decided to try out Engelland at forward, there was a fair amount of complaints around here about how bad of a coach Bylsma was to try that in the first place. Now that Engelland has looked good at forward, people complain that Bylsma wouldn't possibly continue to use him there... even though Bylsma immediately slid Engelland back to forward at the first opportunity to do so (given that they wanted to give Maatta a game off after some rough games).

At this point, the hyperbole about how bad of a coach Bylsma is has reached self-parody

People were mad that he was playing over Menga, not that he was playing at all.

And DB should have put him there instead of scratching Olli and Des so this is not the "first opportunity to slide him back there".

 

[Ugene Magic]

People were mad that he was playing over Menga, not that he was playing at all.

And DB should have put him there instead of scratching Olli and Des so this is not the "first opportunity to slide him back there".

Maatta wasn't scratched just to be scratched, he was scratched because he has played more hockey in such a short amount of time ever in his career. I could argue he could use a week more away from the game to recharge the batteries. This is not a punishment it's a necessity. Despres has looked great coming in fresh.

Then a couple bodies come back. Orpik/Scuderi.

Not everything DB does is him out to getting the young defenders, holding them back.

 

[ColePens]

For no rumors, we are just FIRING through these threads. I cannot wait til the first time Eklund or TIOPS throws us a bone for hits. Mega-hits.

It's about time to get a new thread started, eh?

 

[Michael8771*]

For no rumors, we are just FIRING through these threads. I cannot wait til the first time Eklund or TIOPS throws us a bone for hits. Mega-hits.

It's about time to get a new thread started, eh?

Actually, both Eklund and TIOPS did mention the Pens looking at players. Moulson and the Pens per exlund, TIOPS linked us with the Jets.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...ooking-for-Help-Brodeur-Market-Coming/1/56914

http://insidepittsburghsports.com/s...nder-kane-can-be-had-ladd-a-top-target/62734/

There you go.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Maatta wasn't scratched just to be scratched, he was scratched because he has played more hockey in such a short amount of time ever in his career. I could argue he could use a week more away from the game to recharge the batteries. This is not a punishment it's a necessity. Despres has looked great coming in fresh.

Then a couple bodies come back. Orpik/Scuderi.

Not everything DB does is him out to getting the young defenders, holding them back.

If it wasn't going to cause Dumoulin to play, Engelland should have been playing forward. If Bortuzzo was sitting, we were making a mistake playing Engelland on defense.

 

[Frederick Stanley]

Copied the last page of the old one into this one, per request.

 

[ColePens]

You sexy son of a *****. Good job, FS.

 

[JTG]

Copying last page of old thread is a solid move.

 

[cassius]

I wouldn't deal Letang for Yakupov straight up either, but I'm quite confident in saying Edmonton would offer us more than Yakupov for Letang. They're a train wreck right now.

Eberle would be great, as well. Hall is untouchable, in all likelihood. Ditto the Nuge. Hemsky I wouldn't touch. No more Jussi Jokinen's, please.

Agreed.

I wouldn't even consider trading Letang for Yakupov.. it's just far too risky given how little Yakupov has accomplished so far at the NHL level. Just way too many question marks.

As far as Edmonton, the only deal I could see happening would be centering around Hall. The guy is a very promising young player with upside.

I would pass on Eberle too.. not because he isn't a great player, but we have plenty of undersized "perimeter" guys as it is.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

People are still talking about trading Letang? I was all for it, but there's zero chance it happens. Even if they wanted to they don't have the guts to do something that big. Maybe 3-4 years from now but it's certainly not happening anytime soon no matter how much sense it makes. So all we can do now is hope he stays healthy and gets back to playing at an elite level.

 

[FDBluth]

Copying last page of old thread is a solid move.

And plagiarism.

 

[cassius]

People are still talking about trading Letang? I was all for it, but there's zero chance it happens. Even if they wanted to they don't have the guts to do something that big. Maybe 3-4 years from now but it's certainly not happening anytime soon no matter how much sense it makes. So all we can do now is hope he stays healthy and gets back to playing at an elite level.

With the amount he's getting paid and how poorly he's played (not only this season but the past 2 post-seasons), I think you have to at least consider it! Especially given the Dupuis injury.

The thing that scares me about Letang is that you never know what you're getting with him. He is just so consistent. Typically, a player who is making $7M+ a year.. you know what you're getting with them night in and night out. However, with Letang, the consistency just isn't there.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

With the amount he's getting paid and how poorly he's played (not only this season but the past 2 post-seasons), I think you have to at least consider it! Especially given the Dupuis injury.

The thing that scares me about Letang is that you never know what you're getting with him. He is just so consistent. Typically, a player who is making $7M+ a year.. you know what you're getting with them night in and night out. However, with Letang, the consistency just isn't there.

The injuries coupled with the inconsistency worries me, but I'm incredibly torn on the idea of trading Letang. Look at this season, got hurt preseason, came back and sucked, got injured again when he was starting to look good again. That's concerning. He's getting paid consistency money next season and this season has been a mess for him, it could just be more inconsistent play exasperated by being injury prone.

 

[cassius]

The injuries coupled with the inconsistency worries me, but I'm incredibly torn on the idea of trading Letang. Look at this season, got hurt preseason, came back and sucked, got injured again when he was starting to look good again. That's concerning. He's getting paid consistency money next season and this season has been a mess for him, it could just be more inconsistent play exasperated by being injury prone.

Well said. The Letang deal is certainly fraught with plenty of risks, which is why I am open to trading him if the right offer comes along. He is such a good player that I think he will eventually find his game, but the Penguins are certainly in "win mode" now and can't afford another post-season disaster from Letang.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Well said. The Letang deal is certainly fraught with plenty of risks, which is why I am open to trading him if the right offer comes along. He is such a good player that I think he will eventually find his game, but the Penguins are certainly in "win mode" now and can't afford another post-season disaster from Letang.

Letang is nowhere near the top of the list of reasons we lost in the playoffs the last two years.

 

[cassius]

Letang is nowhere near the top of the list of reasons we lost in the playoffs the last two years.

Last season? I guess I can buy that somewhat... with the exception of the Boston series. I thought he made a lot of gaffes that definitely altered the course of that series. In those defensive matchups, the margin of error is so slim.

I gotta disagree with you when it comes to the Philly series in 2012. I don't know what series you were watching, but he absolutely stunk.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Last season? I guess I can buy that somewhat... but I gotta disagree with you when it comes to the Philly series in 2012.

The entire team came crumbling down in 2012. There was no structure. There was no goaltending. It was just a hot mess. To try to blame any single skater in that series more than the rest is ridiculous.

As for Boston, I just can't accept anyone blaming the series on bad defense. We scored 2 goals in 4 games.