McPuritania
LucicDestroyedHaley
I got home from partying, sat on the couch, and flipped on The Score to see if anything interesting happened during the day. I was good and drunk, and let loose a drunk sloppy yell. Good times.
Weber wasn't as physically imposing because he's not as mean.
Weber doesn't move the puck as well.
Weber doesn't skate as well.
Weber doesn't dominate positionally like Pronger did.
Weber hasn't won anything.
Chara has 2-3 years where he was certainly up there, but he wasn't as mean often enough, he was much slower and he didn't distribute the puck as well.
Since the 90's it's Lidstrom and Pronger and then there's a huge discussion for #3-#20.
You're Selling Niedermeyer really short.
Also if you're including the 90's, Bourque, MacInnis, Stevens, Leetch, and Coffey were all quite a bit more dominant.
Oh man... 10 years goes by so *** fast!
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Weber wasn't as physically imposing because he's not as mean.
Weber doesn't move the puck as well.
Weber doesn't skate as well.
Weber doesn't dominate positionally like Pronger did.
Weber hasn't won anything.
Chara has 2-3 years where he was certainly up there, but he wasn't as mean often enough, he was much slower and he didn't distribute the puck as well.
Since the 90's it's Lidstrom and Pronger and then there's a huge discussion for #3-#20.
You're Selling Niedermeyer really short.
Also if you're including the 90's, Bourque, MacInnis, Stevens, Leetch, and Coffey were all quite a bit more dominant.
Weber would actually be a good comparison.. A top 3 Dman at similar age. Pronger didnt really show his domination until he joined the Oilers.. He was cerebral but wasnt really "faster" than Weber. Weber dominates the position as well as Pronger of STL.
Pronger won nothing for STL either.
Pronger never missed the playoffs.
So can we call him a playoffs choker then? Its a team game and STL hasnt gone past round 2 very often... Maybe once in past 20 yrs.
Replacement was still replacement 10 yrs ago
Weber would actually be a good comparison.. A top 3 Dman at similar age. Pronger didnt really show his domination until he joined the Oilers.. He was cerebral but wasnt really "faster" than Weber. Weber dominates the position as well as Pronger of STL.
Pronger won nothing for STL either.
Some more threads:
Part II of Pronger (not sure why Guys teaser post appears first here):
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=157739
[I remember icedragoon as a mod]
Mike Peca trade (10 years ago today, August 3): http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=158565
seems like just yesterday that we were in the streets burning a crib
Pronger may not have been as actively involved in the NHLPA as Peca was but he was just as much of a hardliner. I remember seeing him in interviews that lock out winter saying he wouldn't play for less than $10 million a year and the small market teams could all go to hell. It never made sense for either one of those guys to end up here. As fun as the Cup run was, nobody should have been surprised by how it played out.I remember them introducing Pronger and Peca that summer. Pronger leaving decimated the franchise, but having a strong NHLPA man in Peca hanging out with the likes of Horcoff and Smyth for a season did not help matters either.
Some more threads:
Part II of Pronger (not sure why Guys teaser post appears first here):
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=157739
[I remember icedragoon as a mod]
Mike Peca trade (10 years ago today, August 3): http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=158565