Confirmed with Link: 1 year/$1.25M for Matt Bartkowski

[smithformeragent]

I believe that the complaince buy out windows have all closed, so the enxt window is the traditional buyout option from the older CBA where you spread the cap hit over more years. Isn't it half the cap number over twice the years?

Either way, it provides much less relief than the complance buyout.

 

[DKH]

I believe that the complaince buy out windows have all closed, so the enxt window is the traditional buyout option from the older CBA where you spread the cap hit over more years. Isn't it half the cap number over twice the years?

Either way, it provides much less relief than the complance buyout.

yah, he said its a window....not sure how high off the ground? This has to be something more funkier like you said, you can walk away or split up like a noncompliance that just happened to Riberio and Gleason. I like Bart, but that Habs goal was so close to me I see myself in some shots dropping my head, and I know why....it should never have happened. I don't want to define a guy on one play just like I don't define Boychuk (who I love only slightly less than my dog) for his dumbass moronic what the **** are you thinking Johnny penalty late in game 7. But Bart really had a catastrophe of a shift there.

All I could think after that game was if Bartkowski was a Patriots player the grudge Bill would have would only go away when the nurse pronounced him no longer part of this world.

 

[DominicT]

I believe that the complaince buy out windows have all closed, so the enxt window is the traditional buyout option from the older CBA where you spread the cap hit over more years. Isn't it half the cap number over twice the years?

Either way, it provides much less relief than the complance buyout.

This is a complicated buyout window. You cannot buyout players that were not on the team's reserve list at trade deadline. Can also not buyout any player who earns less than $2,750,000 per season. From there it works by age

Under 26: 1/3 of remaining value over twice the period
Over 26: 2/3 of remaining value over twice the period

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

What does a Dman who was a +22 and logged 19mins+ off ice time get?

He can't score but still has decent numbers. i can't see Bart awarded anything less than 1.8m.

He has to be traded.

 

[Artemis]

Getting tired of seeing how analysis of shortcomings in Bartkowski's game equates to "hate". He's a big boy who wants to be an NHL player. When did people start getting so thin-skinned about this stuff? Just because one is critical of the lack of vision/awareness that Bartkowski has consistently displayed on the NHL club does not mean there is hatred for him.

This is a recurring theme on these boards and I really wish it would stop. Let's have a debate without the buzzwords, guys.

edit- I know these comments aren't necessarily aimed at me, but enough with the Bart as a victim stuff, please. We can't ever seem to have a conversation about him without someone playingnthe hate card. It's uninformed and intellectually lazy, too.

Speaking just for myself, I don't have a problem with straightforward critiques. It's the "Bartkowski is garbage," and those sorts if comments that get on my nerves. That, to me, is uninformed and intellectually lazy as well.

It's like the difference between listening to someone like Dave Goucher on the radio talking about the Bruins vs. Mike Felger. Reasoned, intelligent analysis vs. hateful ranting.

Addendum: or what doc5hole posted above.

 

[Kirk- NEHJ]

Kirk … you pointed out a couple of concerns people have had with Bart’s game. And for those who wish to be critical - in all fairness to Bart … this was really his first full season logging the minutes that he did. Could it be that these short comings in his game can be attributed to his needing to become comfortable at the NHL level and now that he has had a full season the experience / confidence gained will help minimize these short comings?

Gaining experience / confidence could be a plus for the Bruins; also he is someone who can eat 18 - 20 minutes a night. So whether the Bruins keep or trade him I would expect his overall play to become more consistent with the more games he plays. With that in mind should the Burins elect to trade him they should be able to get fair value in return for him as teams are always looking for minute eating defensemen.

I'm just not convinced he's worth keeping around any longer to find out. Flip him for an asset and move on. Whether he develops into more or not does not absolve him of his substandard play at times, and the question I would pose to you is- who would you want to sacrifice in order to keep Bart to find out if he actually has the brain to play a bigger role than the one he already has?

It has nothing to do with hate, and everything to do with the feeling that he is pretty much a dime-a-dozen guy on D. Boychuk's presence in the room is far more substantial and I don't see Bart ever developing that kind of an impact for this club.

 

[DKH]

This is a complicated buyout window. You cannot buyout players that were not on the team's reserve list at trade deadline. Can also not buyout any player who earns less than $2,750,000 per season. From there it works by age

Under 26: 1/3 of remaining value over twice the period
Over 26: 2/3 of remaining value over twice the period

well, he wont make more than that, so he could actually make around what Krug or Smith end up with- hmmmm....since I don't have Bart on my lineups this sends me back to the drawing board; and Fluto has Kelly on the team in todays Globe. I cant see teams taking Bart in a deal for $2 M. Just a guess but Chia had to try and deal him and Caron on draft week for current or especially future draft picks.

should be interesting to see how this unfolds...Bart we hardly knew yah, oops, wait we cant buy you out, and cant trade you at that figure- which position do you prefer ugh

 

[DominicT]

well, he wont make more than that, so he could actually make around what Krug or Smith end up with- hmmmm....since I don't have Bart on my lineups this sends me back to the drawing board; and Fluto has Kelly on the team in todays Globe. I cant see teams taking Bart in a deal for $2 M. Just a guess but Chia had to try and deal him and Caron on draft week for current or especially future draft picks.

should be interesting to see how this unfolds...Bart we hardly knew yah, oops, wait we cant buy you out, and cant trade you at that figure- which position do you prefer ugh

Being an arbitration case, no you couldn't buy him out. And if he is awarded less than $3.5 million, you can't walk away, unless Bruins choose a two year term, then they can only walk away from the second year.

Best case scenario:

1) He's awarded $3.5 million (not happening) and Bruins walk away
2) They reach agreement before the hearing and do what they want with him (trade)

 

[GordonHowe]

If Bart walked away with a 2 M award some entrepreneurial kid can make some good money selling lemonaide to spectators who want to watch Bruins fans jump off the Tobin Bridge.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

People much smarter than I am think he should be moved, so I'm inclined to believe that they are correct. But, boy do I love to watch him skate....you cant teach that.

The King defense certainly rose to the occasion, but if people complain about our team speed, they should re-watch Regher and Muzzin play the role of traffic cones in the SJ series.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

I would like to see the Bruins move Bartkowski & McQuaid to the Leafs for Franson

Chara Hamilton
Seids Boychuk
Krug Franson
Miller
3 LD who shoot L
3 RD who shoot R

Franson in the Bruins system can flourish and maybe replace Boychuk on top 4 next year if Johnny's salary demands are too high.

 

[angle grinder]

Know way they trade Boychuk to make room for Bart or any of the other two. Did you guys watch the playoffs? You need a top four D and then a solid five and six guys. The Bruins with Boychuk have most likely the best top four in the game.

Are you aware of the cap problems Bruins have? Someone has to go. Bruins have the depth in d and in center. We all know that Chiarelli likes his centermen. Top4 with Boychuk, Seids, Chara and Hamilton lacks wheels and ability to make opening passes. Replacing Boychuk with Bart, Krug or Miller hurts overall but makes top4 little bit faster and better with puck.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Getting tired of seeing how analysis of shortcomings in Bartkowski's game equates to "hate". He's a big boy who wants to be an NHL player. When did people start getting so thin-skinned about this stuff? Just because one is critical of the lack of vision/awareness that Bartkowski has consistently displayed on the NHL club does not mean there is hatred for him.

This is a recurring theme on these boards and I really wish it would stop. Let's have a debate without the buzzwords, guys.

edit- I know these comments aren't necessarily aimed at me, but enough with the Bart as a victim stuff, please. We can't ever seem to have a conversation about him without someone playingnthe hate card. It's uninformed and intellectually lazy, too.

I didn't mean to imply that criticism = hate.

I'm just not convinced he's worth keeping around any longer to find out. Flip him for an asset and move on. Whether he develops into more or not does not absolve him of his substandard play at times, and the question I would pose to you is- who would you want to sacrifice in order to keep Bart to find out if he actually has the brain to play a bigger role than the one he already has?

It has nothing to do with hate, and everything to do with the feeling that he is pretty much a dime-a-dozen guy on D. Boychuk's presence in the room is far more substantial and I don't see Bart ever developing that kind of an impact for this club.

Anyway, I definitely agree that it's not worth moving someone else in order to keep Bart and hope that he figures it out.

 

[Ozamataz Buckshank]

I would like to see the Bruins move Bartkowski & McQuaid to the Leafs for Franson

Chara Hamilton
Seids Boychuk
Krug Franson
Miller
3 LD who shoot L
3 RD who shoot R

Franson in the Bruins system can flourish and maybe replace Boychuk on top 4 next year if Johnny's salary demands are too high.

no

nooo

nooooooooo

Franson is a PP specialist at best. He belongs nowhere near the Top 4 of a contending team. A D pairing of Krug-Franson would look worse than putting Spooner and Caron on as a D pairing.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I would like to see the Bruins move Bartkowski & McQuaid to the Leafs for Franson

Chara Hamilton
Seids Boychuk
Krug Franson
Miller
3 LD who shoot L
3 RD who shoot R

Franson in the Bruins system can flourish and maybe replace Boychuk on top 4 next year if Johnny's salary demands are too high.

I don't want to see A.M in a blue jersey beating the living poop out of one of our guys though..

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

no

nooo

nooooooooo

Franson is a PP specialist at best. He belongs nowhere near the Top 4 of a contending team. A D pairing of Krug-Franson would look worse than putting Spooner and Caron on as a D pairing.

If you noticed. i had Franson on the 3rd pairing and not on the top4.

Out of curiosity, how many full games did you see Franson play?

Franson Krug would be better than McQuaid Krug, Bartkowski Krug or Miller Krug.

Any Bruins defensemen would look worse in a Leafs jersey, and looks better in the spoked B.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

What does a Dman who was a +22 and logged 19mins+ off ice time get?

He can't score but still has decent numbers. i can't see Bart awarded anything less than 1.8m.

He has to be traded.

Good point.

He also killed penalties and had good Corsi numbers.

To an arbitrator, that's pretty good. And the Bruins have little defense because they were putting him out there for big minutes most of the season on the way to the best record in the league.

 

[DominicT]

Good point.

He also killed penalties and had good Corsi numbers.

To an arbitrator, that's pretty good. And the Bruins have little defense because they were putting him out there for big minutes most of the season on the way to the best record in the league.

Luckily for the Bruins, only official NHL stats can be used as evidence.

 

[JOKER 192]

What an arbitrator would award Bart has to be somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8, I just don't see how it would more or less. Good feeling he would be flipped at that salary because it would a bit more than the B'S could afford for a 6/7 defenceman given the cap situation.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Getting tired of seeing how analysis of shortcomings in Bartkowski's game equates to "hate". He's a big boy who wants to be an NHL player. When did people start getting so thin-skinned about this stuff? Just because one is critical of the lack of vision/awareness that Bartkowski has consistently displayed on the NHL club does not mean there is hatred for him.

This is a recurring theme on these boards and I really wish it would stop. Let's have a debate without the buzzwords, guys.

edit- I know these comments aren't necessarily aimed at me, but enough with the Bart as a victim stuff, please. We can't ever seem to have a conversation about him without someone playingnthe hate card. It's uninformed and intellectually lazy, too.

Certainly no one should be calling you a "hater" as its clear by your many posts that you may well be the most objective (and informed) poster here.

However, it must be admitted that lots of posters here like to form a quick opinion on players and stick with it until death. I've had my whipping boys over the decades and if these boards were around then I would have been correctly called a Sweeney or Milbury or Rohloff hater.

Seems like Bartkowski is a lightning rod for this, perhaps because of his roller coaster type Bruins career so far.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Luckily for the Bruins, only official NHL stats can be used as evidence.

No kidding? Didn't know that.

Is it like "Law & Order", if Bart's agent brings it up the arbitrator has to instruct himself to disregard the stat?

 

[MillerTime 86]

Better check on the last part. And remember it is player elected arbitration when you're checking.

Checked it and it's correct. Looks like you've also browsed through pages 57-70 of the CBA … Some interesting stuff in there. I had never heard of the $3.5 million dollar mark being the starting point for the "walk away" option under player-elected arbitration. Certainly throws a wrench in the gears here if it makes it to the hearing date.

Being an arbitration case, no you couldn't buy him out. And if he is awarded less than $3.5 million, you can't walk away, unless Bruins choose a two year term, then they can only walk away from the second year.

Best case scenario:

1) He's awarded $3.5 million (not happening) and Bruins walk away
2) They reach agreement before the hearing and do what they want with him (trade)

We still don't know if Bart's agent simply exercised his right under the CBA and filed to extend the time period for negotiations, or if there is a legitimate gap between the two parties' views of Bart's value that will require a 3rd party to evaluate. We know that Chiarelli has been busy with Iginla, and that Smith and Krug are his first priorities. The move may have been to give Chiarelli more time to take care of other business first before getting to a guy a little further down the totem pole in Bartkowski … Plus, with the NHL experience/minutes that Bart got last season, the standard raise per the CBA on the qualifying offer isn't enough of a raise for him to accept like it is with some of the other RFA's … There needs to be negotiation to arrive at Bart's new #, and whether there is disagreement regarding that number or they just need more time to get around to it remains to be seen.

Regardless, I agree with Kirk and some of the others here that Bart's "hockey IQ" just isn't where it should be and that he'd be a better fit somewhere else.

What Chiarelli needs to do now, regardless of how the arbitration filing came to be, is negotiate a sign-and-trade with another team and get this thing done before the hearing date. Find a team that needs D and will give Bart good minutes and a chance to prove himself in return for a more-favorable contract. Don't expect a great return, however, as Chiarelli is essentially with his back against the wall right now and any potential trading partner knows that.

 

[DominicT]

Checked it and it's correct. Looks like you've also browsed through pages 57-70 of the CBA … Some interesting stuff in there. I had never heard of the $3.5 million dollar mark being the starting point for the "walk away" option under player-elected arbitration. Certainly throws a wrench in the gears here if it makes it to the hearing date.

Actually, I've probably read it front to back half a dozen times. I have footnotes to different parts (relative to the time of year) and differences between the last CBA and this one at my fingertips.

Hard to remember everything in the CBA (unless you're Sheldon from Big Bang Theory) but arbitration is an easy one to remember (at least for me) because it's been changed drastically from the last CBA

 

[ORR2Sanderson2ORR]

Actually, I've probably read it front to back half a dozen times. I have footnotes to different parts (relative to the time of year) and differences between the last CBA and this one at my fingertips.

Hard to remember everything in the CBA (unless you're Sheldon from Big Bang Theory) but arbitration is an easy one to remember (at least for me) because it's been changed drastically from the last CBA

I would like to take this time, to Sincerely Thank You for your knowledge & wealth of information on prospects and sharing it hear on these boards!!!

 

[doc5hole]

I would like to take this time, to Sincerely Thank You for your knowledge & wealth of information on prospects and sharing it hear on these boards!!!

The timely input of key CBA details is much appreciated. Thanks.