Zuccarello sounds off on the Rangers handling of Lundqvist and Himself

[egelband]

To hit this home:

Zuccarello signing for 4.5m in 2015: Hometown discount. What a teamplayer.
Strome's suggested 5.3m cap hit next season in some discussions: Overpaid. Not worth it! Trade him!

Those amounts are the exact same cap hit percentages haha

I would take Strome at that price for sure. But for two years. I’m not confident he’s a guy we want in the top six long term. I love him as 3C but his cost his higher than that. It’s really that simple...for me.

 

[Larrybiv]

How is Henrik going to get the consistent work you say he needs being Shesterkin's backup? If the Rangers want to move Georgiev that's fine but they need to get the right value back for him if they do and I'm sorry but a 2nd rounder isn't going to be enough. Not by much he's even younger than Shesterkin and he's shown an ability to absolutely steal games. His issue really is consistency for long stretches but if he busts through that he's a legit NHL starting goaltender. So dumping him cheap would be dumb.

As for Henrik I agree he's still a very capable NHL goaltender. He has declined though and at least for me there are still buts to resigning him. I don't think he's ever really bought wholly into the new direction the team is on. I think there's disappointment on his part that he's not playing 55/60 games a year and I think a part of him resents that. We can say that's part of his competitive nature but there's a point where you have to know your place in the scheme of things. Another but is his age. What do we need a 40 year old goalie for?---at what point do we close the door on his career? Teams aren't all about one player--Henrik's career is winding down and the Rangers have gone younger and that's a direction they had to take. Why make exceptions to that rule?

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, I quoted lokidog74 when he said that Hank needs a lot of work and does anybody think that Hank couldn't be a backup?, Keeping him on the team isn't conducive to that....so my answer would be no.

 

[pld459666]

That was the point, yes.

That's how hyperbole works.

It usually exaggerates a point. I dont think 1 penalty every three games is bad....at all

 

[UnSandvich]

It usually exaggerates a point. I dont think 1 penalty every three games is bad....at all

It wouldn't be. Except for, y'know, the fact that he only drew 1 penalty roughly every 11 games.

Brendan Lemieux for instance took 28 penalties this year, which is actually 5 more than Strome. However, he drew a total of 32, so his penalty differential was actually positive (+4), while Strome's was grotesquely negative (-17, T/6th worst leaguewide)

 

[pld459666]

It wouldn't be. Except for, y'know, the fact that he only drew 1 penalty roughly every 11 games.

Brendan Lemieux for instance took 28 penalties this year, which is actually 5 more than Strome. However, he drew a total of 32, so his penalty differential was actually positive (+4), while Strome's was grotesquely negative (-17, T/6th worst leaguewide)

Dont think it's much of a big deal.

If it was, I doubt they would continue to give Strome 19 minutes a game.

Ultimately it's a non issue to the brass. Its obviously a bigger issue to stat watchers

 

[UnSandvich]

Dont think it's much of a big deal.

If it was, I doubt they would continue to give Strome 19 minutes a game.

Ultimately it's a non issue to the brass. Its obviously a bigger issue to stat watchers

I watched all 70 games the Rangers played this season, so dismissing me as a "stat watcher" because I pay attention to them is quite rich.

Statistically, Strome puts the team at a disadvantage via penalty far more than he should. And considering in his career, he's -62 in penalty differential, I think that's a far more likely trend to continue than this season's point scoring pace

 

[pld459666]

I watched all 70 games the Rangers played this season, so dismissing me as a "stat watcher" because I pay attention to them is quite rich.

Statistically, Strome puts the team at a disadvantage via penalty far more than he should. And considering in his career, he's -62 in penalty differential, I think that's a far more likely trend to continue than this season's point scoring pace

Again, it is ONCE every three games.

 

[pld459666]

I watched all 70 games the Rangers played this season, so dismissing me as a "stat watcher" because I pay attention to them is quite rich.

Statistically, Strome puts the team at a disadvantage via penalty far more than he should. And considering in his career, he's -62 in penalty differential, I think that's a far more likely trend to continue than this season's point scoring pace

The issue is not that you do not watch them, I have no reason to believe you dont.

The issue is that even with this being an "issue" hes still getting 19 minutes a game.

It's a bigger issue for stat watchers than it is for the Brass.

That doesn't imply you dont watch games, it implies that you are also a stat watchers and in this case are worrying about something that is relatively meaningless.

 

[Harbour Dog]

It wouldn't be. Except for, y'know, the fact that he only drew 1 penalty roughly every 11 games.

Brendan Lemieux for instance took 28 penalties this year, which is actually 5 more than Strome. However, he drew a total of 32, so his penalty differential was actually positive (+4), while Strome's was grotesquely negative (-17, T/6th worst leaguewide)

Where do you find these stats?

 

[UnSandvich]

Where do you find these stats?

NHL.com's Player Stats section, under the Penalties tab

 

[Machinehead]

It usually exaggerates a point. I dont think 1 penalty every three games is bad....at all

Well it is.

 

[pld459666]

Well it is.

We will agree to disagree.

 

[Machinehead]

We will agree to disagree.

You can't disagree. He literally has one of the worst rates in the NHL.

 

[SA16]

1 penalty every 3 games seems like quite a lot to me. That's 27 on the year assuming no multiple penalty games which is worth something like -5.5 goals against which is I believe around -1 win. In a league with this much parity to the point system the loss of 1 win due to stupidity and laziness (as many of his penalties are) is quite unacceptable.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Strome takes too many penalties. His differential is horrible, this isn't really up for debate.

Also, Zucc can still suck a butt.

 

[pld459666]

You can't disagree. He literally has one of the worst rates in the NHL.

1 penalty every three games, regardless of the number he does or doesn't draw is so meaningless

 

[Machinehead]

1 penalty every three games, regardless of the number he does or doesn't draw is so meaningless

Again, no.

This can be objectively measured.

 

[pld459666]

Again, no.

This can be objectively measured.

And yet, hes still getting 19+ minutes a night.

Its meaningful to you, but not to those that matter, Rangers Brass

 

[UnSandvich]

And yet, hes still getting 19+ minutes a night.

Its meaningful to you, but not to those that matter, Rangers Brass

Appeal to Authority

 

[SA16]

So powerplays don't matter?

Strome also get benched for half a game against Philly because his play was awful and he was out of control with the penalties.

 

[pld459666]

Appeal to Authority

In certain situations, there no better way to judge a situation

 

[pld459666]

So powerplays don't matter?

Strome also get benched for half a game against Philly because his play was awful and he was out of control with the penalties.

Right, because that is exactly what I said.

 

[Machinehead]

In certain situations, there no better way to judge a situation

But we literally have a better way to judge it!!

Penalty differential can be easily measured and applied to goal differential. You're giving your opinion on facts.

 

[SA16]

Right, because that is exactly what I said.

Well if taking penalties is not important then how are powerplay important? One directly leads to the other. And taking/drawing penalties is a very repeatable skill. If powerplays are important then not taking a ton of penalties is also very important. You may think "one in three games" is not a lot but it is a lot and is worth almost 5 goals against. 5 goals against by taking penalties may not seem obvious since it is hidden but you'd certainly care if they gave up 5 goals against on 2 on 1s where Strome was lazy getting back and could have because that is noticeable. It's the same 5 goals either way.

I should probably clear things up that that is a raw 5 goals against and obviously you need to subtract out the average player there to see how much worse he is than his replacement.

 

[haveandare]

I would take Strome at that price for sure. But for two years. I’m not confident he’s a guy we want in the top six long term. I love him as 3C but his cost his higher than that. It’s really that simple...for me.

Exactly. The issue is term. It’s not even specific to Strome, you look at a player with his scoring history and it’s a risk to give him term. He’s had an absolutely wild uptick and it’s very reasonable to be wary of that.