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no sane person would even consider taking Bure over Gilmour 92-94. It wouldn't even cross their mind.
Really? Really?
no sane person would even consider taking Bure over Gilmour 92-94. It wouldn't even cross their mind.
Gilmour really benefits from his leaf days, those 93 and 94 runs were pretty epic for the city. Especially in 93 he really carried the team and always seemed to be on the ice.
Without his time with the leafs and just based on the Blues, Flames - I can see Zetterberg and himself about equal. That cup winning stacked Flames team is basically what Zetterberg was playing on for most of his career.
Gilmour's time with the leafs really puts him a head.
number of known wings sympathizers and/or people with wings in their screen name voting for Zetterberg: 3 of 7
number of known wings sympathizers and/or people with wings in their screen name voting for Gilmour: 0 of 24
Really.
Bure has 7 games in the Stanley Cup finals to Gimour's zero during this same time period.
Really? Really?
Yep. But even so, there was another factor at work. Nieuwendyk's had a knack for tipping Al Macinnis' point shots, especially on the PP. Were I the coach, seeing that chemistry I would have kept them together on every power play too. It kinda cut into Gilmour's PP time.86 playoff with the Blues when they went to the conference finals against Calgary was an awesome run for Gilmour, ended up top playoff scorer that year without making it to the Finals, & then followed it up with a 100-point season the next year. By the time he arrived in Calgary he had already established himself as a 100-point number one center who is clutch in the playoffs.
I know plenty of "sane" people who would take Bure over Gilmore in 1994 in a flash.
Not to mention that Bure ended up beating Gilmore (just like Hasek ended up beating Roy).
Bure didn't even have Wendel Clark at his disposal, like Gilmore.
Bure's run to the Finals was second best only to 93 Gretzky. With the same result.
Anyways this has gone far enough off topic for me.
I was simply completely refuting the nonsense statement that he wasn't a factor in that series. I am pretty sure 16 points in 7 games puts him in the drivers' seat.
For a guy playing on a mangled ankle to do what he did that whole playoff was extraordinary.
So the Leafs ran out of gas and were outmatched against Vancouver.. so what.. no sane person would even consider taking Bure over Gilmour 92-94. It wouldn't even cross their mind.
Even though Bure is underrated around here considering how well he played in Vancouver. He gets a lot of flak for his cherry picking in Florida.
Yep. But even so, there was another factor at work. Nieuwendyk's had a knack for tipping Al Macinnis' point shots, especially on the PP. Were I the coach, seeing that chemistry I would have kept them together on every power play too. It kinda cut into Gilmour's PP time.
and the number of known Leafs fans flocking to this thread to show their typically rabid love for Gilmour?
Y'know, there's actually a thread going on right now where Gilmour is being compared to a clearly superior player and I don't see very many of us Leafs fans over there irrationally claiming he's better... If we were, though, you'd definitely have a point.
Well, Andreychuk will be the first person to credit Gilmour and how good he is. note that Andreychuk never hit those numbers before or after he played with Gilmour. Hell, he played 52 games with Lafontaine, Mogilny and Hawerchuk before playing with Gilmour and only had 29 goals. the two just clicked well. But Killer was scoring well before he got thereYeah, I wasn't trying to downplay Gilmour, he had two fantastic first years in Toronto and deserves praise, but a lot of players were great in the early 90s. His 127 points in 92–93 looks beautiful on paper but it "only" gave him an 8th place in the points race. 92–93 was an anomaly year and star players on offensively shallow teams, like Gilmour, put up boatloads of points with lots of juicy ice time between the new longer commercial breaks. PP specialist Dave Andreychuk also came in from Buffalo and scored 25 goals in 31 games, a 66 goal clip. Same season Turgeon and Selänne scored more points than Gilmour on arguably worser, or at least evenly shallow, teams.
Toronto wasn't a power house or anything like that in 93–94 but it was a good team and only two points behind Western Conference champions Detroit. Toronto was also the only team with two players in the top 10 in scoring. Gilmour with 111 points and Andreychuk with 99. So he had some help.
Well, Andreychuk will be the first person to credit Gilmour and how good he is. note that Andreychuk never hit those numbers before or after he played with Gilmour. Hell, he played 52 games with Lafontaine, Mogilny and Hawerchuk before playing with Gilmour and only had 29 goals.
That's exactly what I was talking about. Z played on much better teams than Gilmore, so he had a different role. And it's not like Doug actually carried Toronto anywhere.
I think you're probably right.
During those couple of seasons Gilmour played as well as any mortal I've seen.
He was the best player in the world over that 92-94 span of time.