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Do people not realize that different assets have different values to different people/teams?
Panik is a guy who’s value was really stepped on with the flat cap, he was their 8th F last yearThey can definitely lose having to pay him, but that's not something fans really give a shit about haha.
Vrana doesn’t have to outperform Mantha. He only had to outperform what Mantha was doing the last couple of years for the Red Wings. It won’t be hard to match it. So if he does mildy better than the mediocre work that Mantha had been doing before the trade, then the Red Wings upgraded their offense while adding two high picks, and also added a guy who actually probably improved their bottom 6 as well. Panik doesn’t hurt the Wings at all.I'm glad you can be so sure about something that has yet to happen, but you need to look up the definition of 'fact' in the dictionary because you clearly don't understand what it means.
If Mantha outperforms Vrana, then the Wings are gonna have to hit on those picks to win the trade. They also took on a two year cap dump, so factor that in too. Let's at least wait until the end of this season to declare a winner or loser.
What even is the point of making a post like this? Are you the overlord of time or something? No? Okay then.they will not win the Cup
Panik is a guy who’s value was really stepped on with the flat cap, he was their 8th F last year
As a Caps fan there's no doubt that the Caps gave up a lot in this trade and if you are going on quantity rather than quality, then the Red Wings are the clear winners at this moment. That's the short term or immediate view of the trade. It may take some time to see the long term impact of the trade.
Case in point.
The same was said about the Caps (George McPhee's) trade with the Predators back in April '13 when they sent Forsberg to the Preds for Erat. Clearly at the time the Preds were the winners of the trade. However for the Caps the rippling impact of that trade along with the overall team's performance resulted in the firing of Caps GM George McPhee and HC Adam Oates after the following season in 2014. The Capitals subsequently hired Brian MacLellan as General Manager and Barry Trotz, the former Predators HC. After the 2015 season, MacLellan realized that the lost of Forsberg left the Capitals in need of a top 6 RW, so he traded Troy Brouwer + to the Blues for TJ Oshie. To say Oshie has been a great addition to the Capitals would be an understatement. Oshie played a significant role in the Caps winning the Stanley Cup in 2018. So though the Caps definitely lost the short term portion of the Forsberg trade, the long term side of the trade indirectly led to the Capitals winning a Stanley Cup and the last time I looked neither the Predators or Forsberg have won a Stanley Cup.
Vrana doesn’t have to outperform Mantha. He only had to outperform what Mantha was doing the last couple of years for the Red Wings. It won’t be hard to match it. So if he does mildy better than the mediocre work that Mantha had been doing before the trade, then the Red Wings upgraded their offense while adding two high picks, and also added a guy who actually probably improved their bottom 6 as well. Panik doesn’t hurt the Wings at all.
Both teams got something good here, and the Red Wings certainly are unlikely to “lose”. Mantha wasn’t playing well for them and they turned him into good things.
I can't wait to read the butterfly effects of Jim Benning not trading Hamhuis leading to the Canucks winning the cup in 2026 under completely different management.As a Caps fan there's no doubt that the Caps gave up a lot in this trade and if you are going on quantity rather than quality, then the Red Wings are the clear winners at this moment. That's the short term or immediate view of the trade. It may take some time to see the long term impact of the trade.
Case in point.
The same was said about the Caps (George McPhee's) trade with the Predators back in April '13 when they sent Forsberg to the Preds for Erat. Clearly at the time the Preds were the winners of the trade. However for the Caps the rippling impact of that trade along with the overall team's performance resulted in the firing of Caps GM George McPhee and HC Adam Oates after the following season in 2014. The Capitals subsequently hired Brian MacLellan as General Manager and Barry Trotz, the former Predators HC. After the 2015 season, MacLellan realized that the lost of Forsberg left the Capitals in need of a top 6 RW, so he traded Troy Brouwer + to the Blues for TJ Oshie. To say Oshie has been a great addition to the Capitals would be an understatement. Oshie played a significant role in the Caps winning the Stanley Cup in 2018. So though the Caps definitely lost the short term portion of the Forsberg trade, the long term side of the trade indirectly led to the Capitals winning a Stanley Cup and the last time I looked neither the Predators or Forsberg have won a Stanley Cup.
Honestly, I still get the feeling Yzerman eventually moves Vrana.
Sure didn't get that feeling from Yzermans press conference, He pretty much said that Vrana is Mantha's replacement. Vrana should be in Detroit what we hoped Mantha would be at least a 30/30 scorer.Honestly, I still get the feeling Yzerman eventually moves Vrana.
Not at all. Mantha is locked up for 3 more years on a decent contract and doing pretty well in Washington himself. I think both teams got their desired outcomes in this trade, so far, at least.Reminds me of that time McPhee played the long game and dealt Forsberg to the Preds for Erat + in order to get paid vacation until he could become the GM in Vegas.
Guess this means there’s another expansion team coming for McLellan
vrana will amaze you and then disapear for 10 games. Im sure mantha does it too (did not follow him before) but vrana will frustrate you. So much talent.It’s nights like this that have me shocked the Caps moved Vrana in this deal. Am I saying he’s gonna be a goal scoring phenom now? No. However I think Washington gave up on him too early.
Sure didn't get that feeling from Yzermans press conference, He pretty much said that Vrana is Mantha's replacement. Vrana should be in Detroit what we hoped Mantha would be at least a 30/30 scorer.
vrana will amaze you and then disapear for 10 games. Im sure mantha does it too (did not follow him before) but vrana will frustrate you. So much talent.
He also tagged Mantha as a core member of the team in interview after interview.
Long term, Vrana likely slots behind Raymond, Zadina, and Bert. And then the jury is still out on how good Berggren will be.
vrana will amaze you and then disapear for 10 games. Im sure mantha does it too (did not follow him before) but vrana will frustrate you. So much talent.