Blue Jays Discussion: Winter Discontent III: Discontent with a Vengeance

[hoc123]

80M and 5 years. That could be a bad deal. What picks and IFA money do the Brewers lose?

They lose their third highest pick in the draft, no IFA money loss I believe.

 

[Anthrax442]

5/ 80 no thank you

 

[Eyedea]

80M and 5 years. That could be a bad deal. What picks and IFA money do the Brewers lose?

Small market so they forfeit their comp b pick.

 

[Dr.Funk]

2 bullets dodged today.

 

[Gargyn]

2 bullets dodged today.

Yelich is a bullet? Wow. Ok then.

 

[hoc123]

Yelich is a bullet? Wow. Ok then.

For that price I'd say it's at least an overpay.

 

[Discoverer]

Yelich is a bullet? Wow. Ok then.

The "bullet" would have been giving up Bichette+.

 

[TF97]

5 years for Cain? That is more than I would have been comfortable with. But good for both Cain/Yelich and the Brewers. They are in a good position long term and will be right up there with the Cubs and Cardinals in my opinion. They should still have money available to bring in someone such as Neil Walker for 2B as well.

As I mentioned previously, they’re now in a position to deal Santana in package for a starter. Job well done, Stearns.

 

[Gargyn]

I'm just glad this management team seems to understand talent. Obvious they would have moved Pillar had they got Yelich for Bichette and others. Because as is, this outfield is atrocious and I think they know that. Adding the complimentary pieces is great but they need a stud out there and that would have been Yelich. Oh well, exciting to see what else they have in mind now.

 

[Gargyn]

The "bullet" would have been giving up Bichette+.

Which I'd have been completely fine with,same with management I'd be willing to bet.

 

[Discoverer]

The Jays outfield is nowhere remotely close to "atrocious".

 

[zeke]

5 x$16 Cain is a good price and i wish we had done it. ah well, he prob didn't want to come here.


brinson to me is an alford-calibre prospect, while the rest aren't any better than a number of our other prospects. I would have given that kind of package for yelich, but thankfully we weren't the team to offer up an elite prospect for him.

 

[Gargyn]

The Jays outfield is nowhere remotely close to "atrocious".

Agree to disagree then. I'm speaking offensively. I like Grichuk and think he might surprise but the OBP of the bunch is a lot less than desirable. Defensively it should be fine...except when Pearce is playing.

 

[Woodman19]

If we are moving Bichette, it better be Tulos money coming off the books.

 

[zeke]

lmao at losing Bo to save $11m.

 

[Discoverer]

Agree to disagree then. I'm speaking offensively. I like Grichuk and think he might surprise but the OBP of the bunch is a lot less than desirable. Defensively it should be fine...except when Pearce is playing.

Granderson/Pearce is well above average offensively. Grichuk is average offensively with upside. Pillar is pretty bad, but he's still an elite defender.

Overall they have three average or better outfielders with good depth in case something goes wrong.

 

[Kurtz]

If we are moving Bichette, it better be Tulos money coming off the books.

If we use use Bo to unload a bad salary, even if we get a decent player in return, that would be an awful, awful move from our management. Fortunately, our management's history has shown that they don't make moves like that (in fact, they've done the opposite with Liriano).

 

[zeke]

If we are moving Bichette, it better be Tulos money coming off the books.

because we need tulo's money to sign......???

 

[Discoverer]

lmao at losing Bo to save $11m.

$23 million, but a) it's Blair, and b) if they were to even begin considering that, there would obviously be a LOT more to it.

 

[Kurtz]

5 x$16 Cain is a good price and i wish we had done it. ah well, he prob didn't want to come here.


brinson to me is an alford-calibre prospect, while the rest aren't any better than a number of our other prospects. I would have given that kind of package for yelich, but thankfully we weren't the team to offer up an elite prospect for him.

According to one insider I've heard on the fan a few days ago, Jays did go to Cain's camp with a take it or leave it offer right before they made the deal with St Louis. No way they would have done 5 years though.

 

[Discoverer]

If we use use Bo to unload a bad salary, even if we get a decent player in return, that would be an awful, awful move from our management. Fortunately, our management's history has shown that they don't make moves like that (in fact, they've done the opposite with Liriano).

Yeah, there's no reason to worry that a move like that would be in the cards.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think the context was they tried to move Bo + Morales (and I'm guessing more) as a part of the deal for Yelich and perhaps different salary coming back (likely a player they could have used, maybe one of the bullpen guys).

Not Bo just to dump Morales.

 

[Woodman19]

because we need tulo's money to sign......???

No one, but I sure as hell dont want to move him for saving $23 million from Morales when we have a more menacing $54 million that could be used to cash in that chip.

 

[Gargyn]

Granderson/Pearce is well above average offensively. Grichuk is average offensively with upside. Pillar is pretty bad, but he's still an elite defender.

Overall they have three average or better outfielders with good depth in case something goes wrong.

Average won't win us the world series let alone gain a wild card berth. If that's the outfield, then why keep Donaldson and watch him walk? We won't outbid teams on him as a free agent.

 

[zeke]

I think the context was they tried to move Bo + Morales (and I'm guessing more) as a part of the deal for Yelich and perhaps different salary coming back (likely a player they could have used, maybe one of the bullpen guys).

Not Bo just to dump Morales.

morales in no way whatsoever should be any part of any reason we lose Bo.