Winnipeg Jets going into the 24/25 season

[Eyeseeing]

Yeah the D is probably the biggest change that could be coming. Our right side is seriously weak and there really isn't much out there that's available to grab. We were so set up with Buff, Trouba, Myers and it just all fell apart so quickly. Pionk is probably overstaying his welcome but there just isn't that many good RHD out there. So if not him than who? I think we will probably bring DeMelo back if he wants to stay on a short term deal. Dillon will likely move on I think but that's a big chunk of our snarl gone. I wouldn't mind seeing Miller for a longer chunk of time but he's probably more of a stop gap and might want a situation where he knows he will play. No idea how we go about this really.

We all want to see change and I'd love for the org to make some big moves with Ehlers, Pionk and maybe an interesting signing but I just don't see where it's coming from.

RHD has been a major need since 2011
Will Chevy EVER address it?

 

[Aries56]

RHD has been a major need since 2011
Will Chevy EVER address it?

 

[Orrrules]

Avs have 9 d on their roster and all are right handed, how f-up is that.

Never mind that site I was on had every Avs player as a right, bad CBS.

 

[raideralex99]

Avs have 9 d on their roster and all are right handed, how f-up is that.

Actually only 4 ... Makar, Walker, Manson and Malinski.
Maybe Chevy takes a shot at getting Walke this summer UFA?

 

[10Ducky10]

RHD has been a major need since 2011
Will Chevy EVER address it?

Buff Trouba Myers

 

[Daximus]

RHD has been a major need since 2011
Will Chevy EVER address it?

Eh kinda. We had a situation for a blink there where we had Buff, Trouba and Myers which at the time was top 3 in the league on the right side if not #1, despite often playing some of them on their offside. We had a problem that 30 other teams at the time would love to have. To many RHD that we were playing them on their offside to bolster our pairings instead of the other way around.

There is a reason that so many teams are always playing LHD on the right side and always in the market for RHD. They are rare and when you get a good one you often don't trade them away or let them walk without a fight. And you definitely don't trade one to bolster your roster elsewhere usually. There has been a few times where some teams just have a glut of RHD and can afford to move one to help out elsewhere but it's rare.

It's easy to just say go get some. Incredibly hard to pull off. Easy to get crappy ones too who might not even be better than just playing a lefty on the right.

 

[Daximus]

There are maybe 5 RHD that I would consider elite in this league.
Makar, Bouchard, Fox, Dobson and McAvoy.

Another 13 that I would consider to be solid veteran top 2-4 guys.
Weegar, Carlson, Letang, Doughty, Karlsson, Burns, Pietrangelo, Parayko, Trouba, Hamilton, Ekblad, Andersson, Montour

And another 4 that I would consider up and coming top 4 guys.
Faber, Seider, Nemec, Kesselring

So there are maybe like 22 guys who are like surefire top 4 RHD you really want on your team. And then a plethora of guys who kind of sit in that spot sometimes but other times look kinda so-so.

May have missed some.

 

[han316]

Rod Brind'Amour, if he don't sign in Carolina...

 

[raideralex99]

There are maybe 5 RHD that I would consider elite in this league.
Makar, Bouchard, Fox, Dobson and McAvoy.

Another 13 that I would consider to be solid veteran top 2-4 guys.
Weegar, Carlson, Letang, Doughty, Karlsson, Burns, Pietrangelo, Parayko, Trouba, Hamilton, Ekblad, Andersson, Montour

And another 4 that I would consider up and coming top 4 guys.
Faber, Seider, Nemec, Kesselring

So there are maybe like 22 guys who are like surefire top 4 RHD you really want on your team. And then a plethora of guys who kind of sit in that spot sometimes but other times look kinda so-so.

May have missed some.

Great post but you can get by with just an average RHD as long as you have a top LHD as his partner. But that average RHD has to be able to do at least one thing good … carry the puck out of the DZ or win board battles and protect the crease.

 

[Andy6]

So the season's results between the Jets and the Avalanche are:

Jets 4 wins, Avalanche 4 wins.
Jets 32 goals, Avalanche 32 goals.

Let's call it a draw.

 

[Heldig]

Among all Jets' skaters in the last three years at 5v5 (500+ minutes), Ehlers is...

- 1st in CF%
- 1st SF%
- 2nd in GF/60 (behind Vilardi)
- 1st in GF% (62.07%!!!)
- 1st in xGF/60
- 3rd in xGF% (behind Nino and Lowry)
- 2nd in SCF% (behind Nino)
- 4th in high danger chances/60 (behind PLD + a collection of bottom sixers)
- 7th in high danger chances % (again, behind PLD + a collection of bottom sixers)

He's not doing much with the puck, but somehow we keep scoring a lot more with him on the ice than without him. We shoot the puck more, we get more high danger chances. For those who prefer actual goals over possession numbers, Ehlers ranks 11th in GF% and 28th in goals for per 60 league-wide. The other team gets less of them than us on Nik's watch. Is that nothing?

Replacing Ehlers will barely be a question of "who can score as much as him". Instead, you'd have to find someone to replace that ability to tilt the ice, which nobody else on this team possesses. And if you don't, then what?

Like Hellebucyk he is great in the regular season. Playoffs, not so much.

Also, since 3 coaches have seemingly underplayed Ehlers minutes wise, I wonder if does not have the conditioning to play more minutes. I mean, every coach limits his time on ice.

 

[Orrrules]

Ehlers strength is his biggest weakness, going off script and free wheeling drives coaches nuts.

Unless the next HC is a real players coach nobody can put up with it for long.

 

[tarozi]

Watching the Dallas, Vegas series I can't help but think we are too small as a team. We lose too many battles and the GAF issue lingers with our so called elite players. Perhaps those players would play a heavier game if there was some size around them. I look at the Moose and we have more of the same in the pipeline, we are stuck in a rut. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong though...

Special teams are an issue that will require a change of coaching. Not going to happen unfortunately.
If (hahaha... when) Arniel is named coach, the players will respond and play like complete garbage. It will end up being another year wasted. The more things change, the more they stay the same!

 

[surixon]

Watching the Dallas, Vegas series I can't help but think we are too small as a team. We lose too many battles and the GAF issue lingers with our so called elite players. Perhaps those players would play a heavier game if there was some size around them. I look at the Moose and we have more of the same in the pipeline, we are stuck in a rut. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong though...

Special teams are an issue that will require a change of coaching. Not going to happen unfortunately.
If (hahaha... when) Arniel is named coach, the players will respond and play like complete garbage. It will end up being another year wasted. The more things change, the more they stay the same!

The Jets routinely rank near the top of the league for height/weight. I don't think size on its own is an issue. I think a lack of talent is, especially after JoMo on the backend.

 

[jiho]

The Jets routinely rank near the top of the league for height/weight. I don't think size on its own is an issue. I think a lack of talent is, especially after JoMo on the backend.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight....it is the size of the fight in the dog....our guys do not compete and lose too many battles to be a winner. Too many of the same type of players.

 

[Daximus]

The Jets routinely rank near the top of the league for height/weight. I don't think size on its own is an issue. I think a lack of talent is, especially after JoMo on the backend.

We have solid size, we just lack buzzsaws. It's a similar situation to the Leafs. You can be 5'10 and a playoff monster. You can be 6'4 and soft as baby shit.

Size is often miscalculated with toughness. Matthews is 6'3 but he doesn't play like it. Marchand is 5'9 but he'll bang and crash with literally anyone and usually come out on top of that battle.

What we need isn't size, we what we need is less guys that play on perimeter and aren't afraid to crash through anyone to get the job done.

Lowry, Dillon, Barron, Morrissey, DeMelo they'll all get their hands dirty. Scheif used to but he plays a lot more on the perimeter now.

We need more guys like that. Preferably with some skill to go along with it.

 

[Orrrules]

Not so much size of the player but type of player the stats say it all.

Winnipeg Jets Hits Leaders | StatMuse

Brenden Dillon made the most hits for the Jets this season, with 242 hits.

www.statmuse.com

 

[Buffdog]

Its not the size of the dog in the fight....it is the size of the fight in the dog....our guys do not compete and lose too many battles to be a winner. Too many of the same type of players.

You ever go into a corner with a guy who is 5 inches taller and 30lbs heavier and battle them for a puck?

 

[jiho]

You ever go into a corner with a guy who is 5 inches taller and 30lbs heavier and battle them for a puck?

Then we have to get bigger. The Jets do not win enough battles. And we want to add Perfetti and Lambert to the top six? Too many of the same type of players.

 

[surixon]

We have solid size, we just lack buzzsaws. It's a similar situation to the Leafs. You can be 5'10 and a playoff monster. You can be 6'4 and soft as baby shit.

Size is often miscalculated with toughness. Matthews is 6'3 but he doesn't play like it. Marchand is 5'9 but he'll bang and crash with literally anyone and usually come out on top of that battle.

What we need isn't size, we what we need is less guys that play on perimeter and aren't afraid to crash through anyone to get the job done.

Lowry, Dillon, Barron, Morrissey, DeMelo they'll all get their hands dirty. Scheif used to but he plays a lot more on the perimeter now.

We need more guys like that. Preferably with some skill to go along with it.

Oh I agree. It's not the size of the dog but the fight in the dog. I see Cole as being in that group, he's not the biggest but he doesn't shy away from the tough areas and finishes his checks. McGroarty is another.

We need to see Vilardi use his size more next year and KC needs to play away from Scheifele as he's a much better puck hound without him.

But I thunk the biggest thing this group needs is more mobility and puck movement from the dcore. We need to accomplish this without giving too much of our defensive zone play up.

 

[surixon]

Then we have to get bigger. The Jets do not win enough battles. And we want to add Perfetti and Lambert to the top six? Too many of the same type of players.

We actually have a pretty diverse top 6:

Scheifele 6"3 big top center that his elite at holding up pucks.

Vilardi big skilled player who is elite in tight

KC - Elite finisher with deft hands and agile skating.

Perfetti - Cerebral two way player with strong scoring and playmaking.

Heck move Nino up and you have that size and skill.

Nino Scheifele Ehlers
KC Perfetti Vilardi

There is speed, scoring and size/grit on each line.

Eheles - Chaotic high end transition volume shooter.


Really we could use one gritty power forward to round it out but we have a diverse set of skills and only KC is allergic to contact and going to the tough areas.

Try Iaffalo with Lowry and Appelton. Gives you grit on line 3.

But as mentioned the biggest issue was our I ability to cleanly break the puck out of our end. This lead to a lack of speed and control through the nz. It forced us to dump and chase much more which of course resulted in more lost battles and lack of zone time. Corrado by contrast was able to skate the puck in thus setting up shop in our zone. So to me if we can get better breakouts it will lead to this group looking miles better.

 

[Buffdog]

Then we have to get bigger. The Jets do not win enough battles. And we want to add Perfetti and Lambert to the top six? Too many of the same type of players.

I think it depends on matchups. Perfetti and Lambert would be better suited vs thr Avs, but maybe not a bigger heavier team

Conversely, Monahan is 6'2 and Vilardi is 6'3 but their size didn't help them last series

So you'll say "well then we need to get guys who are skilled and big and fast". Basically, Lindros. Those guys don't come around often

 

[surixon]

On the defensive train we already have the hardest thing to get and that is a top 5 to 10 dmen in JoMo. But we need to optimize the rest of the core.

The new NHL requires dmen to be able to retrieve and move the puck. Of our remaining dmen really only Snerg and DeMelo are adequate at it.

As Colorado also showed us they were very good at integrating all of their dmen effectively into the attack. Really we only have Pionk and a lesser extent Schmidt that cab do this.

We have too many specialists that have pretty big flaws imo.

I'd keep DeMelo and Snerg as they bring high end defense and both can more the adequately move the puck. You just won't get much offense from either.

Ville has the potential provide plus puck moving and has the smarts and skill to jump into the play. He plays good defense at the AHL level. If he can translate his whole skillet thay fills a number of holes and will help our second line more (They often get matched with the third pairing).

So to me we could use a Trouba type to play with JoMo on the top pairing. And a puck mover that can jump up to play with Snerg on the second pairing.

 

[jiho]

I think it depends on matchups. Perfetti and Lambert would be better suited vs thr Avs, but maybe not a bigger heavier team

Conversely, Monahan is 6'2 and Vilardi is 6'3 but their size didn't help them last series

So you'll say "well then we need to get guys who are skilled and big and fast". Basically, Lindros. Those guys don't come around often

I agree they dont come around often just like top pair defensemen. I dont have a problem with any individual player, I just think we do not have the right mix of players to win.

 

[Buffdog]

On the defensive train we already have the hardest thing to get and that is a top 5 to 10 dmen in JoMo. But we need to optimize the rest of the core.

The new NHL requires dmen to be able to retrieve and move the puck. Of our remaining dmen really only Snerg and DeMelo are adequate at it.

As Colorado also showed us they were very good at integrating all of their dmen effectively into the attack. Really we only have Pionk and a lesser extent Schmidt that cab do this.

We have too many specialists that have pretty big flaws imo.

I'd keep DeMelo and Snerg as they bring high end defense and both can more the adequately move the puck. You just won't get much offense from either.

Ville has the potential provide plus puck moving and has the smarts and skill to jump into the play. He plays good defense at the AHL level. If he can translate his whole skillet thay fills a number of holes and will help our second line more (They often get matched with the third pairing).

So to me we could use a Trouba type to play with JoMo on the top pairing. And a puck mover that can jump up to play with Snerg on the second pairing.

Both Ville and Salomonsson should help with that. Hopefully Salomonsson turns into that 1RD but not sure when that would be and who the placeholder is in the meantime

It'll be very interesting how chevy handles his UFA dmen.

I agree they dont come around often just like top pair defensemen. I dont have a problem with any individual player, I just think we do not have the right mix of players to win.

Yeah.. players need to be either big and fast or skilled and fast to be successful in the playoffs IMHO. Unfortunately, guys like monahan and vilardi are good and slow