Speculation: Wings spare parts at the deadline (Actually, the tank thread)

[TheOctopusKid]

I think it just takes one team though. There is usually a surprising deal and I kind of feel like Bertuzzi could be one.

As long as Ken Holland is out there, lurking, any long term deal is possible.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

We need to add Timo Meier and just go for It this year. Pick 17 OA and 13 OA is not worth It to give up now. We won’t win a playoff series but Seider and Raymond gain invaluable experience.

 

[Frk It]

I think it just takes one team though. There is usually a surprising deal and I kind of feel like Bertuzzi could be one.

Yeah, we have seen teams get weird (desperate) when free agency opens.

I just don’t have a lot of faith Bert even makes it though next season at this point, so to sign him to a deal where I am expecting him to be healthy 5/6/7 years from now seems kinda wild.

And that’s not a reflection on how I feel on him as a player at all. I think that top line functions way better when he is on it. Him and Raymond have always worked well together.

 

[Oddbob]

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

I understand the odds of making the playoffs are stacked against Detroit, I guess I just relate to the players a lot. I see what they're doing right now, the effort, the drive, led by their captain, having some success, and I'm feeling their feels. I don't want to see them knee-capped, and I don't think trading Bertuzzi yields a big enough result to make it worth ending the chances that Seider and Raymond get a taste of the playoffs, that a very deserving Larkin gets back to the playoffs, and that this positive forward momentum gets curbed.

I understand where the "we need to suck longer" people are coming from, but I can't relate to it.

Reason I am not feeling it, is we aren't playing that well even in our wins. The effort is of course there which is great, but from a play level ours is not really that great as we get out-chanced in most of our games. The only line that scores with any regularity is a line with Larkin on it. I am not in the tank crowd at all, simply don't want us not selling who we can just so we can maybe get a few more wins this year. I don't see Bertuzzi as a good fit to keep for more years with him getting hurt all the time.

 

[jaster]

Reason I am not feeling it, is we aren't playing that well even in our wins. The effort is of course there which is great, but from a play level ours is not really that great as we get out-chanced in most of our games. The only line that scores with any regularity is a line with Larkin on it. I am not in the tank crowd at all, simply don't want us not selling who we can just so we can maybe get a few more wins this year. I don't see Bertuzzi as a good fit to keep for more years with him getting hurt all the time.

The last handful of teams to make the playoffs each year are generally full of warts. Detroit is no exception. If they were winning 5 of 6 and looking dominant doing it, we wouldn't be talking about them competing for the wild card, but for the division. I get what you're saying, but 8th seeds are going to look sketchy. And the odds are against them. But they are generally just good enough to occasionally steal some wins, and sometimes a series.

Detroit has some good things going for them. A decent defensive system, and a lot of effort. Teams like that have a decent floor and have been known to upset better teams.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

If we're competing still at the TDL we cant sell, that kills a locker room.

We may have to add..

Question is what direction.. a cheap(er) UFA or a younger longterm level player(and more expensive)..

Maybe we will be the ones to add Kane

 

[jaster]

If we're competing still at the TDL we cant sell, that kills a locker room.

We may have to add..

Question is what direction.. a cheap(er) UFA or a younger longterm level player(and more expensive)..

Maybe we will be the ones to add Kane

Jesus Christ. The juxtaposition of me simultaneously throwing up in my mouth a little (a lot) and being excited about adding that much talent would probably be too much to bear.

 

[MabusIncarnate]

Yeah seconded, zero interest in Kane ever wearing a Wings sweater.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Jesus Christ. The juxtaposition of me simultaneously throwing up in my mouth a little and being excited would probably be too much to bear.

I know.. I get it

But boy, that would sure elevate so many guys game

 

[norrisnick]

Jesus Christ. The juxtaposition of me simultaneously throwing up in my mouth a little (a lot) and being excited about adding that much talent would probably be too much to bear.

Not one to kink shame, but you can keep that one in private.

 

[jaster]

Not one to kink shame, but you can keep that one in private.

 

[jkutswings]

I want to make the playoffs as much as the next fan, but if that means adding Patrick Kane...

... I'll take my chances with the draft lottery.

 

[lomekian]

The time to trade Bert and Larkin was this past offseason. That was when their value was at their maximum.

There was no point in keeping either player because there was a good chance Yzerman would be in the same position he's in right now. He probably could have gotten a 1st round pick for both, and likely a blue chip prospect or two, but now there's a chance both walk for nothing. Bad asset management.

Or if Bert hadn't got 2 fluke impact injuries and kept his previous scoring rate but with less Covid restrictions, his value would have been at an all time high....

 

[Claypool]

Or if Bert hadn't got 2 fluke impact injuries and kept his previous scoring rate but with less Covid restrictions, his value would have been at an all time high....

If that happened he would have been resigned by Detroit.

 

[odin1981]

I've never really been in the camp that'll he'll fetch a 1st plus.

He's in an injury ridden, down year. He'll need to be resigned and most likely... hits the market as a UFA wherever he goes.

Pure rental to wherever he's going to be traded. I don't see a ton of teams lining up to cough up a first rounder, let alone more. I think if Red wings do trade Bertuzzi it'll be for a 2nd rounder and some filler or a swap like Alexis Lafreniere(not necessarily him; just a reclamation project like him.)

Not sure it makes much sense to keep him and lose him for nothing, playoff push or not. Red Wings actually have enough depth to replace Bertuzzi, imo. Wish he'd just resign at 3years for 4 million so we could keep him, but there are guys knocking on the door that could help ease the loss of Bertuzzi.

I think this is smoke, trying to drive up offers. I'm not sure he stays on the team unless literally teams are offering up 4th rounders and mid-level prospects. Likely to hold on to him till TDL day to squeeze as many games as possible out of him, imo.

Top 6 wingers don't sign UFA deals for 4m per year. This isn't the early 2010's any longer the cap has risen. I don't want him signed long term he won't age well with his contract, but no matter the term he is making 6+ per year provided its a max 4-5 year deal. I'd offer a 3 yr 6 to 6.5 deal but I'm not Stevie Y.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Yeah seconded, zero interest in Kane ever wearing a Wings sweater.

Lots of guys said this about Chelios pre-1999. If you put 10 Kanes in a bag it's still not as much douche as Chelios.

 

[Bench]

If you put 10 Kanes in a bag

We have the same reoccurring nightmare?

 

[Frk It]

Lots of guys said this about Chelios pre-1999. If you put 10 Kanes in a bag it's still not as much douche as Chelios.

I really doubt that.

 

[jaster]

I really doubt that.

Well hang on a second. If there are 10 Kane's in a bag, they probably suffocate. And then, voila, 10 Kanes are less douchey than Chelios.

But yeah, Kane is much worse than Chelios.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Trade for Kane and Toews, only so Hawks fan have to suffer seeing those two in Wings jerseys.

Seriously though, I don't want either loser.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Well hang on a second. If there are 10 Kane's in a bag, they probably suffocate. And then, voila, 10 Kanes are less douchey than Chelios.

But yeah, Kane is much worse than Chelios.

Have you ever looked into the shit Chelios got to before he came to Detroit, and afterwards?

I was at a Motor City Mechanics game during the lockout in 04-05, Chelios was on the roster and was supposed to do a signing afterwards. They let the fans wait for an hour and then came out and said he refused to do the signing. He passed by a group of fans who were complaining about it after the game and flipped them off. I've heard this was his standard behavior towards fans during his time in Montreal, Chicago, and Detroit. He's also gotten arrested at least three times and told police (in 1990, MN) that he was going to ruin their lives. He was one of the prime players in trashing the Olympic hotel room back in the 90s. The guy is an asshole and Detroit fans still loved him after he came here.

Again, Kane has had a lot of rumours and allegations around him but Chelios is 100% an asshole from the time he wakes up to the time he goes to sleep. Dirty player on the ice and a huge asshole off of it. His only redeeming factor for Wing's fans was that he wore their sweater, but I know a lot of Wings fans who were sick in 1999 when Holland acquired him.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Agree on Chelios, regardless, Kanes not waiving his NTC for DET. Going to a contender plus big market if he can, at worst, maybe waiving for his hometown BUF. Zero reason or indication to come to DET

 

[Oddbob]

Have you ever looked into the shit Chelios got to before he came to Detroit, and afterwards?

I was at a Motor City Mechanics game during the lockout in 04-05, Chelios was on the roster and was supposed to do a signing afterwards. They let the fans wait for an hour and then came out and said he refused to do the signing. He passed by a group of fans who were complaining about it after the game and flipped them off. I've heard this was his standard behavior towards fans during his time in Montreal, Chicago, and Detroit. He's also gotten arrested at least three times and told police (in 1990, MN) that he was going to ruin their lives. He was one of the prime players in trashing the Olympic hotel room back in the 90s. The guy is an asshole and Detroit fans still loved him after he came here.

Again, Kane has had a lot of rumours and allegations around him but Chelios is 100% an asshole from the time he wakes up to the time he goes to sleep. Dirty player on the ice and a huge asshole off of it. His only redeeming factor for Wing's fans was that he wore their sweater, but I know a lot of Wings fans who were sick in 1999 when Holland acquired him.

Kane attacked a cab driver, so he isn't some sweetheart either.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I want to make the playoffs as much as the next fan, but if that means adding Patrick Kane...

... I'll take my chances with the draft lottery.

Really..?

No offence but that's bananas...

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I’d love to see Kaner in a Wings sweater. Douche? Yup. Otherworldly f***in talented? Yup.

I don’t want to hear from any of the people who complain about not having exciting hockey any complaints about trying to acquire Patrick Kane.

I would love to see Larkin get Kane on his wing again like he’s had in some exhibitions and international tournaments