Will Team Canada have as many HOFers on this team as the '76 team did?

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  1. Big Phil

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    First off there were 17 HOFers on the 1976 Canada Cup team. Here they are:

    Cheevers, Orr, Robinson, Lapointe, Savard, Potvin, Lafleur, Clarke, Perreault, Hull, Esposito, Barber, Shutt, McDonald, Gainey, Dionne, Sittler.

    After that you've got Vachon (who should be in there) and guys like Resch, P. Mahovolich, Martin, Gare and Leach who were all playing like HOFers at the time. Only Jimmy Watson is the only so called non-star on that team.

    But even though this may not be the best Canadian team of all time I can't help but think there will be nearly just as many HOFers on this team. So I checked it out, its closer than you think if you want to base it on projection.

    Shoo-ins or potential future HOFers:

    Brodeur - No one on the face of the earth will debate this
    Luongo - Already was second team all-star in '04 by 25
    Pronger - Hard to believe the one time NHL MVP wont make it
    Blake - Is a former Norris Trophy winner and four time post season all-star
    Redden - He'll need some post season all-star selections first
    Sakic - Shoo-in
    Thornton - By the end of his career looks to be a lock
    Heatley - Should be one of the best players in the NHL for 10 years
    Richards - Won a Conn Smythe already as well as a Cup and a World Cup
    Lecavalier - If only he plays the way we know he can this World Cup MVP could
    Nash - Led the league in goals when he was only 20
    Iginla - He'll need more strong seasons and onother MVP calibre year, or repeat '04
    Staal - If he keeps this up he'll leave a strong legacy
    Spezza - Needs to do this every year consistently. Plus he should have quite a few strong playoff runs with Ottawa


    That comes to 14. Not too bad considering most of those guys will make it, and maybe some I left off will too. Bouwmeester, St. Louis, Bertuzzi, Gagne
     
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    Sakic and Brodeur are the only two I'd lable HOFers at this point.

    Some are close, but a more than hefty chunk of the team have yet to come anywhere near a career worthy of induction.

    Discussing the HOF with regards to guys like Staal, Spezza, and Nash is only marginally better than discussing the HOF about Jack Johnson, Gilbert Brule, and Phil Kessel. A tad bit premature to say the very least.
     
  3. Blades of Glory

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    Brodeur - No doubt HOF
    Luongo - What?
    Pronger - Doubt it.
    Blake - Possibly with a few more great seasons.
    Redden - What?
    Sakic - No doubt HOF
    Thornton - If he continues on his current pace, definitely a HOF.
    Heatley - Read about Thornton
    Richards - Look at his stats. The HOF is a dream for him right now.
    Lecavalier - What?
    Nash - Too early, but he has the chance to be one of the greatest goal scorers.
    Iginla - His one monster year is looking more and more like a fluke.
    Staal - WAAAAY too early
    Spezza - Same as Staal

    That '76 team had some of the greatest players in NHL history. There's very few of the current Canadian team that can or every will be put up alongside them.
     
  4. God Bless Canada

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    Agreed. Brodeur's a lock. Ranks in the top 10-15 goalies ever. Sakic is a lock, too. Pronger's close, likely needs one or two more seasons among the top-5 defencemen in the league. Blake won't make it, no better than Randy Carlyle. Redden's coming close to 30. He's not even on the radar for the HHOF. Thornton needs to learn how to contribute in the post-season. Iginla needs at least four more dominant seasons. Spezza? Not with his inconsistent work ethic. Lecavalier and Richards? Not now, and likely not ever.
     
  5. Ovechkin_mvp

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    Brodeur
    Sakic
    Pronger

    that's about it

    I really wouldn't put Staal, Blake and Richards in that goup
     
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    I guess you missed the 2 Richard trophies and twice comming in 2nd for MVP. Leading a team to the finals that had no business being there, etc. I'm not saying he's a hall of fame shoe in, but to say he's had 1 good year makes you look not very smart..... or biased. Either way you are wrong.
     
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    What? The Hall is for great players, not good ones. On that list, ONLY Sakic and Brodeur are great. Maybe Pronger can get in, well he could get in, so I'll change my view on him. But what would you change? Does a Conn Smythe automatically get you into the HOF? Lecavalier is overrated. He's a leader, but he's no scorer. Iginla? The guy has two good goal-scoring seasons, and nothing else. He led his team the Finals once, and 2 Richard Trophies make him a HOFer? Pavel Bure is much closer to the HOF than him.
     
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    Sorry man, I respoded without thinking. That's why I edited it. I think you just struck a nerve with me calling Iginla a 1 year wonder.
     
  9. Blades of Glory

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    That's ok. Iginla isn't a one year wonder, but he's nowhere near as dominant as he used to be, IMO. He was great in the playoffs last year, he singelhandedly beat us in the Conf. Finals with some help from Kipper, but he looks lost right now.
     
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    Bure will most likely make it into the Hall
     
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    If Chris Pronger retired today he is in. For most of the 90's and even today some regarded him as the best defenseman in the game playing for a team that made him play 30 minutes a game his entire carreer. Norris Trophy, MVP, Gold Medal.
     
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    Wow, you guys don't really know much about Iginla, first of all, he always starts off slow, he never has a good start, he plays better later on in the series. Secondly, his linemates suck, hard, the best linemate he's had so far this year is Lombardi.

    Thirdly, he plays big in big games, maybe you forgot about his playoff performance, or his last gold medal game, and as I recall he dominated the world juniors and help lead us to a gold.

    If Iginla decides to play, he's basically unstoppable, he just takes a while to make a decision.
     
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    i have to agree with the other posters.... the only "for-sure" HoF inductees from that group are brodeur and sakic..... pronger has a decent chance, but will need to continue at his level for another 3-4 years, win another norris, or take the oilers on a long playoff run

    there are others who have a chance, but are too young too tell.... iginla is some where inbetween as hes not young anymore, but hasnt done enough for HoF i dont think yet.... a few more 40+ goal seasons and he could be taken more seriously as HoF material

    thornton is a possibility, but its pretty early in his career for such a call.... the same can be said for nash, as he looks like a guy that should easily score 400+ goals in his career
     
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    Canada does have a pretty young team, so not that many HOF candidates yet.

    By 2010 it'll be up there. :yo:
     
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    Friggin' hearltess European...

    Oh, wait...I mean, great Canadian leader who elevates his play

    :sarcasm: ;)

    Iginla has a ways to go before he's HOF worthy. I'll be honest, in the new NHL, I can't see him ever getting another Richard trophy or Art Ross. He'll need some more awsome playoffs, which he's certainly capable of if he gets his act together.
     
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    Leave Sundin alone please.
     
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    oooh, zing.

    it's like you took my joke, and applied it to an equally irrelevant topic
     
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    That's because the "new NHL" features an older Kovalchuk, Nash, Jagr and introduces players like Ovechkin. It's not that Iginla's bad or anything - in fact, he's ahead of his usual pace - but there's just alot of really good players right now.
     
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    i hate the flames, but hes right, iginla post olympics is unstoppable, it causes to pee myself at night
     
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    In other words he has attitude problems?
     
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    Brodeur - Yes
    Luongo - Not a chance in hell untill he starts to get more wins and gets a ring on his finger--also he is a back up
    Pronger - Based upon statsand rings on his fingers--he wont get in--even from the trophy side--Langway was questionable
    Blake - I would say yes
    Redden - Not even close at this point in time
    Sakic - Shoo-in
    Thornton - Cam Neely has lowered the bar so low know
    Heatley - winnning once does not gt yeah in
    Lecavalier - He has been around long enough where enless he starts get 50 goals a year--he aint getting oin
    Nash - yeah so he lead at age 20--lets see what his points are at 30
    Iginla - To get into the hof you need atleast 7 years of great/good stats
    Staal - One year--lets see how he does over the next couple of years
    Spezza - Not looking like anything overly good

    You are being overly generous with your ideas of who will get into the hall of fame
     
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    Some of you guys are WAY off base.There are alot more than 3 or 4 guys on that team with the potential to be hall of famers.Take a look at some of the hof's on the 76 team at early points in their careers.Cheevers,Barber,McDonald,Shutt,Lapointe
    wouldn't have near as good of early starts as some of the players there.

    There are guys not on the thread starters list that have potential for the hall of fame.

    All that being said I don't think this team will match the 76 team in that regard.
     
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    IMO it is sad that some people's perception of the HOF is that it's for good players. IT'S NOT. IMO, the HOF should be for the best of the best, however, lately it hasn't been that away. Anywho, from that list, I can see 3 players who can retire today and make it (Sakic, Brodeur, Pronger). Also, there are a bunch of young players who can certainly make it in 20 years (Staal, Nash, even Luongo if he plays for a good team once). It's to early to tell. IMO people like Iginla, Bertuzzi, Redden, etc. are not good enough or haven't produced HOF worhty stats for long enough.
    Even though it is too early to tell, I think Thornton and Healtey will end up in the HOF if they continue to play to their abilities.
     
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    He has skill and linemate problems
     
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    In my opinion

    Locks:
    Martin Brodeur
    Joe Sakic

    Good Chances:
    Chris Pronger
    Rob Blake
    Jarome Iginla
    Joe Thornton

    Outside Shot:
    Adam Foote

    Too Early To Tell:
    Roberto Luongo
    Jay Bouwmeester
    Simon Gagne
    Eric Staal
    Jason Spezza
    Dany Heatley
    Vincent Lecavalier
    Rick Nash
     
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