Will Atlanta Get Another Team?

[Harvey Birdman]

TBH I see almost no chance in hell of It happening after Seattle gets their team. Do not see the NHL expanding past 32 teams. The conferences can be evenly rebalanced then. Only way any of the former or first time cities get a team after Seattle with be by relocation.

 

[chizzler]

I don’t even understand how the NHL would go back three times. Lol.

 

[NSHPreds1835]

Yes, Atlanta should get another shot. I don't get why the league has not contacted the new hawks owners

If the current Hawks owner was interested in the NHL he would probably be contacting the league.

 

[Melrose Munch]

If the current Hawks owner was interested in the NHL he would probably be contacting the league.

The NHL has to be proactive.

TBH I see almost no chance in hell of It happening after Seattle gets their team. Do not see the NHL expanding past 32 teams. The conferences can be evenly rebalanced then. Only way any of the former or first time cities get a team after Seattle with be by relocation.

Quebec City and Houston. League will be at 34 at some point.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

The NHL has to be proactive.
Quebec City and Houston. League will be at 34 at some point.

league remains at 32 indefinitely, MM, you don't see the NFL AT 34, and that's the alignment you're headed to.

 

[Howie Hodge]

League stays at 32, and the Carolina, Phoenix, and Miami situations resolve themselves or they move to the most promising ($$) markets without a current team.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

League stays at 32, and the Carolina, Phoenix, and Miami situations resolve themselves or they move to the most promising ($$) markets without a current team.

Arizona and Sunrise are fine, why are u bringing up Carolina, when that has been resolved, Howie?

 

[Howie Hodge]

Arizona and Sunrise are fine, why are u bringing up Carolina, when that has been resolved, Howie?

Short term they might be.

Do you have some inside information that the rest of us here don't that guarantees their long term success in their respective markets my friend?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Short term they might be.

Do you have some inside information that the rest of us here don't that guarantees their long term success in their respective markets my friend?

CAROLINA HAS BEEN SOLD, Howie.... they're there for the next 7 years.... Florida isn't going anywhere, either unless you'd like to buy them from the Viola ownership

 

[Melrose Munch]

league remains at 32 indefinitely, MM, you don't see the NFL AT 34, and that's the alignment you're headed to.

NHL needs a bigger US presence and doesn't have 30 teams in the US. They need more then 32.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

NHL needs a bigger US presence and doesn't have 30 teams in the US. They need more then 32.

neither does MLB or NBA...both have 29 teams in the US

 

[Howie Hodge]

CAROLINA HAS BEEN SOLD, Howie.... they're there for the next 7 years.... Florida isn't going anywhere, either unless you'd like to buy them from the Viola ownership

Well then that is your conclusion; and you are unanimous to your opinion...

And right or wrong everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Well then that is your conclusion; and you are unanimous to your opinion...

And right or wrong everyone is entitled to their opinion.

if you had followed all 3 threads, Howie, on this forum, you'd know by now, Sunrise (Panthers) likely cannot be sold or relocated due to the County lease with Broward, and the financial penalty doesn't decrease for another 5 to 7 years otherwise you'll be seeing an Eastern version of what Arizona ownership has been dealing with for much of the last 2 decades.....Carolina's discussion ceased when the franchise was sold and even then, the clause prohibits the new owner (Dundon) to remain in current market for at least 7 years

 

[Melrose Munch]

neither does MLB or NBA...both have 29 teams in the US

But both are more then the nhl.

 

[Howie Hodge]

if you had followed all 3 threads, Howie, on this forum, you'd know by now, Sunrise (Panthers) likely cannot be sold or relocated due to the County lease with Broward, and the financial penalty doesn't decrease for another 5 to 7 years otherwise you'll be seeing an Eastern version of what Arizona ownership has been dealing with for much of the last 2 decades.....Carolina's discussion ceased when the franchise was sold and even then, the clause prohibits the new owner (Dundon) to remain in current market for at least 7 years

I did not say they would move, or they would move soon.

I said they have time to correct their situations in their respective markets.

If they don't, they will look elsewhere eventually, be that 5 years, 7 years, or more.

 

[Tyrolean]

The NHL has to be proactive.
Quebec City and Houston. League will be at 34 at some point.

Quebec should have been in the league before Vegas and any other American team.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Quebec should have been in the league before Vegas and any other American team.

Not really the leagues or players first choice.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Quebec should have been in the league before Vegas and any other American team.

By what metric?

Emotionally, yes, but monetarily, it's obviously no.

 

[SImpelton]

Any Quebec team is going to have an uphill battle because the Canadiens are going to fight to keep another franchise out of Quebec. A team in QC reduces their media territory which is something any owner will fight since it takes a bite straight out of their money.

Not ALL of a QC team's revenue would be out of the Habs' pockets, but a percentage will, and any rich man will fight to keep his money. I think QC is a complete mirage because of that, either for expansion or relocation, same with Hamilton and Hartford. It's not that these markets wouldn't be viable, it's that the markets they represent are already being tapped and money from those markets is going into another owner's pocket, and asking any owner to give up market share is not likely to happen.

Canadiens ownership in particular is usually pretty powerful in the Board of Governors with a lot of allies they can bring in on an issue important enough to themselves. They are one of the o6, a flagship franchise for the league and one of the league's biggest revenue leaders. In other words, they have the reason to fight against expansion or relocation into QC, and the money and allies to fight with

 

[powerstuck]

Any Quebec team is going to have an uphill battle because the Canadiens are going to fight to keep another franchise out of Quebec. A team in QC reduces their media territory which is something any owner will fight since it takes a bite straight out of their money.

Not ALL of a QC team's revenue would be out of the Habs' pockets, but a percentage will, and any rich man will fight to keep his money. I think QC is a complete mirage because of that, either for expansion or relocation, same with Hamilton and Hartford. It's not that these markets wouldn't be viable, it's that the markets they represent are already being tapped and money from those markets is going into another owner's pocket, and asking any owner to give up market share is not likely to happen.

Canadiens ownership in particular is usually pretty powerful in the Board of Governors with a lot of allies they can bring in on an issue important enough to themselves. They are one of the o6, a flagship franchise for the league and one of the league's biggest revenue leaders. In other words, they have the reason to fight against expansion or relocation into QC, and the money and allies to fight with

Just like they fought the WHA joining NHL. And we know how well that went.
Habs owners are first and foremost beer brewers.

 

[SImpelton]

The Habs let the WHA merger happen because they had to end the threat of the WHA and the salary inflation that was coming out of that. That was worth the bite out of Montreal's market share in eastern Quebec. Montreal was asked to swallow this one for the good of the league and they did.

Besides, the Nordiques already existed, just in another league. The damage was already done.

There is not anywhere near the same ancillary reasons now to tolerate a QC franchise. Unloike the WHA merger, the costs to the Habs of accepting the loss of media revenue in eastern Quebec is not mitigated by other concerns such as ballooning player salaries. There is no reason to "take one for the team" and so Quebec expansion will not happen unless there is. This time the Habs are actually in a position to prevent QC from ever happening, and so they will.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

The Habs let the WHA merger happen because they had to end the threat of the WHA and the salary inflation that was coming out of that. That was worth the bite out of Montreal's market share in eastern Quebec. Montreal was asked to swallow this one for the good of the league and they did.

Besides, the Nordiques already existed, just in another league. The damage was already done.

There is not anywhere near the same ancillary reasons now to tolerate a QC franchise. Unloike the WHA merger, the costs to the Habs of accepting the loss of media revenue in eastern Quebec is not mitigated by other concerns such as ballooning player salaries. There is no reason to "take one for the team" and so Quebec expansion will not happen unless there is. This time the Habs are actually in a position to prevent QC from ever happening, and so they will.

except the Molsons and previous ownership are in direct opposition to the above post.... for some reason QC wants nothing to do with Montreal, you have to convince Jacobs, not Montreal.... do you know the history between Montreal and QC, AND WHY IT'S TAKEN 3 DECADES to replace a 65 yr facility as the Colisee was, throw in the current Laval Rocket franchise, and where that was based after the Nordiques relocation, why have the Remparts remained the tenant in QC, not a pro franchise.

 

[cbcwpg]

The Habs let the WHA merger happen because they had to end the threat of the WHA and the salary inflation that was coming out of that. That was worth the bite out of Montreal's market share in eastern Quebec. Montreal was asked to swallow this one for the good of the league and they did.

Besides, the Nordiques already existed, just in another league. The damage was already done.

There is not anywhere near the same ancillary reasons now to tolerate a QC franchise. Unloike the WHA merger, the costs to the Habs of accepting the loss of media revenue in eastern Quebec is not mitigated by other concerns such as ballooning player salaries. There is no reason to "take one for the team" and so Quebec expansion will not happen unless there is. This time the Habs are actually in a position to prevent QC from ever happening, and so they will.

The Habs voted against the WHA merger in the first vote. On the second vote they voted for the merger.

The Habs let the WHA merger happen because everyone in Canada stopped drinking their beer in protest. Read up on your history.

Throwback Thursday: How A Beer Boycott Caused the NHL and WHA Merger

At the time of the merger, the Canadiens were owned by the Molson Brewery. You know what breweries hate? When people stop drinking their beer. And that's exactly what citizens across the great nation of Canada—particularly those citizens in Edmonton, Quebec City, and Winnipeg—did when the Habs voted against the merger.

Loath to lose additional profits, the Canadiens' beer soaked overlords finally voted in favor of the merger. The Canucks also supported the measure the second time around, as they too had a vested interest in future Molson profits—the beer of choice at their arena, the Pacific Coliseum, was, you guessed it, Molson

 

[bigduga]

I don't get the competitive enmity between Quebec city and Atlanta as Expansion cities.

If Atlanta somehow manages to get another team before Quebec City does, that franchise will just end up in Quebec City ten years later anyway.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

I don't get the competitive enmity between Quebec city and Atlanta as Expansion cities.

If Atlanta somehow manages to get another team before Quebec City does, that franchise will just end up in Quebec City ten years later anyway.

no it won't, see Carolina as a prime example, why is there a 7 year non movement clause when Dundon bought the Hurricanes, even if you wanted to move it, you essentially cannot.