Why was Panarin never drafted ?
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Mickey Marner
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He probably should've been drafted after the world jrs, but he was small and didn't really break out until he got to play with talent on SKA instead of goons on Vityaz.
WarriorofTime
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Yes he was obviously under-scouted, I didn't disagree but you can't just say he would have been a first rounder. That is speaking with total hindsight. He was underscouted in large part because he was a small kid and he didn't play for a big team or at the Under-18s, which is in large part because he didn't make Chelyabinsk's top team at the beginnings of Junior Hockey, which is in large part because he was skating with oversized used equipment and had to overcome poverty...
....And of course there are undrafted guys out of North America that make the NHL as well even if they didn't necessarily have those same disadvatages. Some guys just bloom late. Mark Giordano played Junior Hockey in Canada but wasn't drafted in any of his go arounds and he became a future Norris winner. Jonathan Marchessault is around Panarin's age and went undrafted despite playing in the QMJHL in Canada. He's managed to carve out a long, successful career for himself.
When did he go to Vityaz youth academy, age 11? By that point he had proper equipment and training. He may have been somewhat more of a late bloomer because of his impoverished beginning but there was a big gap between that early time and his Chelyabinsk Jr. time.
Marty St. Louis is an even better example.
Because teams still don't value production enough to at least make calculated gambles on offensive producers. Logan Morrison was never drafted and he's playing far better in the A than most guys in his birthyear who were drafted.
GreatSaveEssensa
The Dark Side Of The Goon
There have a been a ton that have slipped through the cracks. Most common cause is due to a families financial situation, and a lot to do with ‘hockey politics’.
He had 21 points in 41 games in the K in his 19 year old season. That's definitely worth a mid to later round selection.
Chinakhov was picked in the 1st round as an overager for doing something similar... Panarin would have been picked nowadays 15 times out of 10, but Russian players were definitely underscouted back then.
Why was Tom Brady a 6th round draft pick? These things happen. Martin St Louis, Ed Belfour, Curtis Joseph, Dino Ciccerelli were all undrafted and had great careers.
Those were late bloomers, and Panarin wasn't, though. He became a KHL regular at 18.
St Louis & Ciccarelli = < 6'0
Belfour & Joseph = not playing in high quality leagues in their 17 year old season, later bloomers, went NCAA route
Djp
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Apes and oranges.....
You did have many Europeans coming over even after the eastern bloc fell. Teams didnt invest much in scouting there.
In 90s things started to change. Even then. You still had small town player playing for smaller teams not get discovered till pist drsfy.
In NA you have had a few players who developed later on in their career.
Funniest reply I’ve seen in awhile lmao
Whoot Whoot
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Machinehead
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You can say "well they took a flier on so and so" but that's different when the player is Russian and way more likely to play in the KHL than come over and be an NHL bottom sixer.
The risk of not getting an NHL player is a big deterrent at the draft.
The risk of not getting an NHL player is a big deterrent at the draft.
NHL teams spend picks on players who 99% will never become NHLers. Being-Russian-staying-in-KHL chance is way below 99%, like really way below.
As I said Russian kids were underscouted back then, but the situation has changed. Look at Artamonov, Panarin would have been projected at the same level nowadays, maybe even higher.
let's be honest.
if he got drafted by the rangers in the first round back then, he wouldn't play in the nhl today.
if he got drafted by the rangers in the first round back then, he wouldn't play in the nhl today.
Machinehead
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I'm not saying I agree with it.
And yes, a lot of the hoodoo surrounding it has subsided.
Agalloch
EliteProspects
Kuznetsov was 26th pick, and he was ahead of Panarin back then. Tarasenko was a mid 1st rounder. On the other hand Atlanta spent its 8th OA on Burmistrov...
hotcabbagesoup
why u guys want Celebrini, he played like a weenie
tbh i dont even remember making this joke, it being three years ago haha
but then again, three years of Sharks play can do that to one's brain
Somehow Panarin was even ahead of Kuznetsov in KHL production in their first draft eligible year, although Kuznetsov was more productive in the years immediately following the draft. It’s insane that Panarin wasnt drafted any of those years
